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Dagas Hunter	Posted - 2008.06.10 23:12:00 - [1] Been flying a Raven for years, so after I lost it I felt like trying something new. Feel like using guns instead of missiles for a change so which battleship should I choose? I do mostly PvE, like missions and such. My friend flies a Hyperion so I want to fly something else.
Endless Subversion Club Bear	Posted - 2008.06.10 23:18:00 - [2] Nightmare. Still uses your shield tanking skills and caldari BS skill. Allows access to the geddon/abaddon if you ever want to PvP and will give you a ship to fly that actually out performs the raven in certain missions (blood/sansha)
Raul Endimion Adamantium Temple	Posted - 2008.06.10 23:19:00 - [3] Some amarr ship maybe.Abaddon is very nice.Or some gallente, like domi, or megathron.If u want minmatar one, u can pick phoon its very good, but require drone, missile and gun skills.
cal nereus Perkone	Posted - 2008.06.10 23:20:00 - [4] Well, the Megathron can be fit for PvE and performs exceptionally well in most cases. Otherwise, you can try the Dominix, the Gallente's favorite PvE battleship. However, it's a droneboat instead of a gunboat. I'm relatively unfamiliar with the Minmatar/Amarr platform of battleships, but it seems most of 'em have been used in missions with some success.
Dagas Hunter	Posted - 2008.06.10 23:28:00 - [5] Edited by: Dagas Hunter on 10/06/2008 23:29:44 Nightmare is a sansha ship so quite expensive I assume. At that point I might as well get a Marauder or something. I'm looking for a ship under 150m preferably. Dominix is a Tier 1 ship. Don't they suck compared to tier 3 ships? tier 3 ships have the best armor/shield HP at least which will make it easier to tank. I've got plenty of drone skills although focused on using Hammerheads.
cal nereus Perkone	Posted - 2008.06.10 23:33:00 - [6] Nope, of all the Gallente ships, the Dominix is the preferred mission-running ship for Gallente. Despite being a tier 1 ship, it tanks really really well, plus you can choose your damage type with drones. The Megathron is less popular, but if fit right and flown by a not-lazy pilot, it's more time-efficient at running missions. Actually, the Hyperion's probably the worst of the three for running missions (but it looks awesome, so that more than makes up for performance). --- Earning Isk Basic Skills
Shakari Sween Entropians on Vacation	Posted - 2008.06.10 23:36:00 - [7] Originally by: Dagas Hunter Edited by: Dagas Hunter on 10/06/2008 23:29:44 Nightmare is a sansha ship so quite expensive I assume. At that point I might as well get a Marauder or something. I'm looking for a ship under 150m preferably. Dominix is a Tier 1 ship. Don't they suck compared to tier 3 ships? tier 3 ships have the best armor/shield HP at least which will make it easier to tank. I've got plenty of drone skills although focused on using Hammerheads. domi is an amazing little mission boat beacuse it has 6/5/7 slots. This means that you can put one pretty nice armor tank on it(ie 2 lar 2's + hardners etc). This also means that you can agro evertyhing, put out your drones and go afk. Though its probably not the smartest move. You said you were looking for a gun boat so domi isnt probably what your looking for though. Rok is a pretty nice bs, though i have no idea how well it tanks. Apoc is notorius for its very nice armor tanking ability. If you are lacking in the armor tanking skills then you pretty much have to go with a tempest or rok, with a typhoon beeing ok(but 4 turret 4 missile(so not really a gun boat)). So i hear there's no line to break sigs so your reading this cause I put it in to look like part of my post!
Endless Subversion Club Bear	Posted - 2008.06.10 23:38:00 - [8] What do you do with your isk? You said you've been flying your raven for years and PvE. Maelstrom is my second suggestions if you don't want to go faction. Shield tanked and a gun ship. Self Destruct & LogOffs
Dagas Hunter	Posted - 2008.06.10 23:43:00 - [9] Edited by: Dagas Hunter on 10/06/2008 23:45:35 The Dominix looks interesting. Guess I should use heavy drones then? how do they perform against frigates and such that you inevitably face during missions? the 5 % turret damage bonus seems useless since according to EVEwiki most people use nos insetad of turrets in the high slots. I don't play very often and I spend a lot of Isk on stuff, have a hard time saving my isk =P. still so many choices...
cal nereus Perkone	Posted - 2008.06.10 23:49:00 - [10] Edited by: cal nereus on 10/06/2008 23:50:05 Typically a Dominix will hold both Heavy and Medium drones. Heavies do have a little trouble hitting frigate NPCs, and besides, the mediums are faster to reach their target too. I prefer mediums unless I absolutely need heavies to take down the target. On the other hand, you can also use sentry drones, which deal instant damage from range. Don't bother fitting NOS. I don't think they work against NPCs as much as they used to. But yes, high slots are usually reserved for utility slots to streamline the salvaging portion of every mission. You can choose to fit guns, though, and get more damage out of the Domi. It's unnecessary though. The Domi can kill everything with just its drones. --- Earning Isk Basic Skills
Dagas Hunter	Posted - 2008.06.10 23:52:00 - [11] Originally by: cal nereus Typically a Dominix will hold both Heavy and Medium drones. Heavies do have a little trouble hitting frigate NPCs, and besides, the mediums are faster to reach their target too. I prefer mediums unless I absolutely need heavies to take down the target. On the other hand, you can also use sentry drones, which deal instant damage from range. Won't it take very long to kill all ships using only drones? I had 5x T2 medium drones on my Raven and they had some serious problem taking down the tougher NPC's (some popped in seconds while on other ships they could barely break the tank)
cal nereus Perkone	Posted - 2008.06.11 00:13:00 - [12] Edited by: cal nereus on 11/06/2008 00:15:58 The ship-specific bonus to drone damage makes a big difference I guess. When I fly my Dominix with Gallente Battleship skill at level 4, and Gallente Drone Specialization at level 4, my tech-2 hammerheads quickly tear apart anything but battleship-sized NPCs susceptible to thermal damage. You'll want to use the damage-appropriate drones too. --- Earning Isk Basic Skills
Dagas Hunter	Posted - 2008.06.11 00:19:00 - [13] So maybe use mediums for everything except BS and then recall them and use heavy drones for the battleships? What are are the pros and cons between the Maelstrom and the Abbadon? which one tanks better and which one does more DPS?
LordThyGod	Posted - 2008.06.11 02:50:00 - [14] Try the rokh, since youve been flying the raven for years you most likely have all your support skills up, and on the rokh, thats really what makes it shine [Rokh, stupid] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Internal Force Field Array I Shield Boost Amplifier II Shield Boost Amplifier II X-Large Shield Booster II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 350mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L 350mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L 350mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L 350mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L 350mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L 350mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L 350mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L 350mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Core Defence Capacitor Sa*uard I Core Defence Capacitor Sa*uard I Valkyrie II x5 50 mill each to upgrade rigs to t2 usually, the same for mag stabs to faction, and if your constantly running missions its not hard to upgrade your ship here and there, oh, and cn/dg invuls are better than running spec hardners
Shoa Jinn	Posted - 2008.06.11 03:47:00 - [15] both the abaddon and maelstrome have epic quality tanks and can deal considerable damage TBH i prefer the abaddon due to utilities in the mid slots and well.... lasers are fun to watch
Dagas Hunter	Posted - 2008.06.11 12:54:00 - [16] Edited by: Dagas Hunter on 11/06/2008 12:54:01 I think I'll go for the Abbadon. 1. Lasers are cool 2. An armor tanked ship means I can play around with the mid-slots for a change. The Maelstrom would likely get a setup similar to a Raven. 3. Amarr and Caldari are allied in the war so it seems more right to fly Amarr than flying an enemy ship. thx for all the answers.
Felix Dzerzhinsky Wreckless Abandon Un-Natural Selection	Posted - 2008.06.11 18:17:00 - [17] Well, since caldari capitals are also sub-par, it is always good to look at another race for fleet Battleships and for capitals. The choise is a clear Amarr or Gallente. Amarr: Apoc is the king of fleet battleships atm - lag free guns, great range, solid dps. Abaddon: high alpha, cap unstable, but brings a whole new dimention to 'melting hulls' Geddon: Cheap, Solid, 5 heavy drones, high dps. Archon: Best carrier tank (for a full T2 fit), good looking. Revelation: 'The' final word on dreads - don't have to reload, sustainable duel capital repper tank, can even fit a damage mod without giving up too much. Its the highest damage dealer in any pos siege. No ammo means more stront too. . . Gallente: Megathron: The close range king and versitile enough to become your fleet sniper too. Dominix: Some people hate its looks, but with T2 sentries it can be made to snipe, with 5 heavies it can also do good damage. Hybrid damage to boot. Hyperion: Looks nice, don't fly it. Thanatos: Does both shield and armor remote repping - ideal for pos and spider tanking. Fighter damage is a bonus if you front line it - and it looks good. Moros: Second highest dps dread, T2 sentries are really really nice on this puppy. . .guns are for show really. so there you have it. Now if its for pve - then I would say, Amarr are better becuase of free ammo. . .but we all know that the Raven (Golem/CNR) are the best PvE ships. . .everything else is a downgrade. ---- GO BLUE!!
AnKahn Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2008.06.11 18:51:00 - [18] I have most of my skill points in Caldari, nearly maxxed in Raven (and Drake) and I now prefer the Domi and a passive shield tanked Myrm. Dps (because of drone bonus) of Myrm more or less equal to the Drake and Domi more or less equal to the cruise Raven. Range is about the same. Stratagy is about the same with both, the passive shield tankers just plowing thru the rats, and the BSs kiting the rats a little. To cross train you just need T2 armor (less than a million SP to start) and maybe a million or so SP abouve what you should already have for Drones to get Heavys. Most rats die to thermal so Ogre II are fine to begin with. And you should have Drone Interfacing up to 3 or 4 before you start. You really cant AFK or you lose your drones to random aggro changes, at least from my experiance. And your armor tank, at the beginning, will be a little weak, so you have to actually fly the ships. But, you don't have to F1-F6 anymore.

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