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asp viper
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Posted - 2008.06.11 13:55:00 -
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Since 3-4 weeks I see in different Low Sec regions hundreds of millions of Tritanium for very cheap prices in the market. I started wondering, where it comes from - and still wonder. If I had a jump freighter, I would collect it.
any explanations from what these guys get such big ammounts of Tritanium in low sec? |
Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2008.06.11 16:17:00 -
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Little birds have told me an increase in hauler spawns |
PaddyPaddy Nihildarnik
aurorae pacificas
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Posted - 2008.06.11 17:20:00 -
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 Originally by: Kazzac Elentria
Little birds have told me an increase in hauler spawns
that would explain 0.0 but not low sec. I have seen these too, and my guess is either 0.0 mining corps compressing ores in a Rok (industrial capital), jumping it into a low sec system and selling there hoping to get better profits than 0.0 or perhaps attempting to sell to low sec capital producers? The actual sell orders I have seen all appear to be approx the same volume amounts.
Also if its anywhere near the drone regions it could be stockpiles of drone alloys that are imported in from the DR. I know some alliances have very hefty refine taxes to counter the lack of bounty taxes they would otherwise get from their renters/people ratting. By setting high refine taxes they attempt to recoup some of this. The high trit orders you see could be the left overs from drone alloys that are imported from the DR into empire refineries to bypass this tax. High ends are than shipped to jita/hi-sec for sale but low ends are sold off cheap and hassel free at low sec cyno-hubs.
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Viilaa
Mad 4 Gaming
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Posted - 2008.06.11 18:42:00 -
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It can also be that the owner of the mineral does not want to hazard moving it through low sec in a hauler do to active pirates. Or it could even be bait by pirates to bait haulers into the system so they can gank them.
Viilaa
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Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles
Zzz
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Posted - 2008.06.11 22:29:00 -
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Originally by: PaddyPaddy Nihildarnik
that would explain 0.0 but not low sec. I have seen these too, and my guess is either 0.0 mining corps compressing ores in a Rok (industrial capital), jumping it into a low sec system and selling there hoping to get better profits than 0.0 or perhaps attempting to sell to low sec capital producers? The actual sell orders I have seen all appear to be approx the same volume amounts.
What volume, roughly? FYI this also works with carriers up to about 150m units of trit. |
Tasko Pal
Heron Corporation
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Posted - 2008.06.12 00:34:00 -
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Originally by: PaddyPaddy Nihildarnik
Originally by: Kazzac Elentria
Little birds have told me an increase in hauler spawns
that would explain 0.0 but not low sec.
It does help though. Hauler spawns can dish out a million trit in a 0.1 sec system.
Still I must agree for other reasons. I see in my region a group of sell orders spread over many stations of similar quantities (sometimes identical). It makes no sense to me to smuggle trit in and spread it out like that rather than drop at one station.
My guess is that it's low sec isk farmers. That's who it has been in the past (for example, around January). I have no clue how they're getting the trit. Maybe they're running kill missions and that's the excess left over after reprocessing loot. Maybe they're mining in mission. |
Chira Netanru
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Posted - 2008.06.12 02:10:00 -
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If you really don't know, ask Shadarle.
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2008.06.12 06:51:00 -
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Insane Industrialist
To Shar -verb:
1 - To say what you mean.
2 - To say what it means.
3 - To say something mean. |
YunFu Yan
Yan Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.06.12 09:02:00 -
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You're only seeing what they put up when my buyorders are down...
we're talking of certain low sec systems being stripped on a daily basis. I'm buying multiple hundred units a day in 2 regions and usaly end up with them in 2-3 systems. |
asp viper
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Posted - 2008.06.12 10:19:00 -
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Edited by: asp viper on 12/06/2008 10:23:13
So we may talk about some macro thing? Imagine, hundreds of millions per week (?), how many hulk miners you would need... I never see some. I see sometimes macro haulers or something like this. Maybe I did not understand, why it is better to bring from 0.0 Tritanium to some random low sec system and sell it there. Is this a job for the Rorqual? These pilots could transport it in a freighter to Jita. If it are Capitalship producers, who sell the rest of their mimerals, why in so many systems? Then it would mean many of them give up? |
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asp viper
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Posted - 2008.06.12 10:20:00 -
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Edited by: asp viper on 12/06/2008 10:20:10
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YunFu Yan
Yan Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.06.12 10:53:00 -
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I am not sure whether they mine belts or missions but they gotta be mining. I have no other explanation for the amounts they produce. |
Brisco Smiley
Peppermint Bay Trading Company
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Posted - 2008.06.12 19:45:00 -
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People mine low-sec. I don't know who these people are, but they do it. I know because they sometimes sell me ore. Tritanium generally isn't worth the trouble of hauling out. Whenever I end up with material in low-sec, I sell the tritanium for a very small profit and then take the rest of the minerals to the bank. I would characterize the tritanium you are seeing as residue.
Cheers,
Brisco Smiley |
Mensageiro Cai
Project 1.5
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Posted - 2008.06.13 07:47:00 -
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Bait?
Buy a bunch of Trit in highsec and put it up cheaper in Lowsec. Kill the person who buys it (you'll have their name), hopefully loot it again and re-list it?
Rinse and repeat, and hope somebody picks it up in a well fitted ship. |
Taikun
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Posted - 2008.06.13 11:36:00 -
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Originally by: YunFu Yan
I am not sure whether they mine belts or missions but they gotta be mining. I have no other explanation for the amounts they produce.
Oh really. No other explanation huh?
They are of course Trit dupers. There is obviously a exploit in play which explains the irrational selling behaviour of MANY low security tritanium sellers.
They spread their sales over many systems so as not to arouse suspicion. However, when 20 day old charators sell 100's million units of trit... all in 5 seperate low sec stations one jump away from an additional 1.0 isk p/u return. Something illegal is going down.
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2008.06.13 12:19:00 -
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Can I have what your smoking Taikun |
Letrange
Chaosstorm Corporation
Apoapsis Multiversal Consortium
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Posted - 2008.06.13 14:26:00 -
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Taikun, where do you get your drugs??? Cuz man do they seem like quality drugs.
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Vhaluus
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Posted - 2008.06.13 14:36:00 -
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Alz Shado
Ever Flow
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Posted - 2008.06.13 15:35:00 -
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Edited by: Alz Shado on 13/06/2008 15:35:44
Massive
Veldspar
Roids.
0.0's got them in spades. Makes it so easy to harvest, you could (cough) almost automate it!
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BlondieBC
7th Tribal Legion
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Posted - 2008.06.15 10:34:00 -
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If the quantity being sold is 2,561,XXX (Don't remember the XXX digits), it is from a lvl 4 mission. You accepted the mission, pay $2,000,000 isk depostit, and get the trit. Then cancel the trit. You now have trit with a cost basis of under $1.00. Sell in low sec for say 2.00, make 2.5M isks in less than a minute.
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2008.06.15 10:51:00 -
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Originally by: BlondieBC
If the quantity being sold is 2,561,XXX (Don't remember the XXX digits), it is from a lvl 4 mission. You accepted the mission, pay $2,000,000 isk depostit, and get the trit. Then cancel the trit. You now have trit with a cost basis of under $1.00. Sell in low sec for say 2.00, make 2.5M isks in less than a minute.
As I said, "Insane Industrialist". Good explanation though. It's rarely worth my time to explain things clearly to people that want other, more nefarious, reasons to exit.
To Shar -verb:
1 - To say what you mean.
2 - To say what it means.
3 - To say something mean. |
asp viper
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Posted - 2008.06.15 14:32:00 -
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Edited by: asp viper on 15/06/2008 14:35:44
Originally by: BlondieBC
If the quantity being sold is 2,561,XXX (Don't remember the XXX digits), it is from a lvl 4 mission. You accepted the mission, pay $2,000,000 isk depostit, and get the trit. Then cancel the trit. You now have trit with a cost basis of under $1.00. Sell in low sec for say 2.00, make 2.5M isks in less than a minute.
Thank you. That is the explanation. I saw many, many Macro haulers. I bought some trit bulks and saw they are all sold by NPC chars, which are only a few days old.
Btw. usually these guys, who start to derail such threads (with comments like "can I have your stuff") are the owners of these macro farmer chars. 
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2008.06.15 15:56:00 -
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Originally by: Chira Netanru
If you really don't know, ask Shadarle.
Whether your post was in jest or not, I do have an answer, as I am someone selling several hundred million trit in low sec.
But it's far too simple of any answer, people here tend to enjoy complex answers or conspiracy theories involving hacks/exploits/etc.
Anyhow, the quantities are not always the same... in most cases they are vastly different, in the 10-50 mil unit range of trit, at least the ones I deal with and see. If you are seeing tons of groupings of identical (to the last digit) groupings then that is a different phenomenon.
It's actually very annoying, these large quantities of trit in low sec, but it's a good source of cheap trit if you're daring.
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