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coldrieve	Posted - 2008.06.11 18:55:00 - [1] i guess this is aimed at those caldari folks out there. have any of you used spider shield tanking out while doing any pvp? if so, what were your results, and any advice? what ships would be good for this? i was thinking drakes of course.
Menellaix Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.11 19:05:00 - [2] I've done spider armor tanking, and it is very successful if done properly. Basic requirements are: Passive tank all participants, with as high an EHP as possible. Battleships preferred, but I guess you could use Drakes if you wanted to get laughed at. Be mindful of your proximity to your gangmates. If you slow boat out of range, you are dead. Use the broadcast system. This is what happens if you are doing it right.
NoNah	Posted - 2008.06.11 19:06:00 - [3] I'd say they're some of the best. A few spidertanking drakes is a nightmare to go up against. So are torp ravens with a spidertank. Really there's not to much to say about it. Resistances obviously more important than normally, since you'll have a very high stream of hitpoints incoming either way, other than that just build up a decent buffer and cap recharge. CPR's and BCU's in low, EW, LSE and invulns in mid, Shield extender or resistance rigs if you wish, launchers and a transfer in high. Complete with a Co-CPU if needed. Emjoy. Parrots, commence! Postcount: 658463
Transmaniacon Strike-Force-Alpha	Posted - 2008.06.11 19:07:00 - [4] You could probably get a medium shield transporter to permarun on a passive drake, might want to take PDUs instead of SPRs. Ive seen gangs utilize this to great effect, though tacklers are necessary as most things can run away from drakes .
Drone AI1	Posted - 2008.06.12 11:57:00 - [5] Edited by: Drone AI1 on 12/06/2008 11:58:27 hi I'm currently using shield spider tanking for a pve gang and was wondering if armour spider tanking would be much better for pvp? or at least survivability in pvp? the ships are mainly gallente BS's (e.g. domi's) and the SP the gang characters have are under 2Mill SP at most, which is why shield spider tanking was picked (more effective with low SP than armour spider tanking, but only for pve purposes). any tips would be appreciated, thanks in advance.
Templar Dane Amarrian Retribution	Posted - 2008.06.12 12:30:00 - [6] Edited by: Templar Dane on 12/06/2008 12:32:02 Originally by: Drone AI1 Edited by: Drone AI1 on 12/06/2008 11:58:27 hi I'm currently using shield spider tanking for a pve gang and was wondering if armour spider tanking would be much better for pvp? or at least survivability in pvp? the ships are mainly gallente BS's (e.g. domi's) and the SP the gang characters have are under 2Mill SP at most, which is why shield spider tanking was picked (more effective with low SP than armour spider tanking, but only for pve purposes). any tips would be appreciated, thanks in advance. They both have their strengths. Most people prefer armor tanking because if frees up mids for tackle and such, and also because of the uberness of 1600mm plates. Taking off your armor repper and squeezing in a couple of plates gives your buddies more time to throw reps on you. Imagine 10 dps battleships force-firing on one of your gangmates. That's anywhere from 6-12k dps. No active-tanked battleship can take that kind of punishment, and will go down in a matter of seconds. Take a ship like a domi, use all 7 lows for tanking (with 3 or more plates), trimarks, and possibly a low-grade slave set....and you've just increased the time it takes to pop you by -insert impressive math nerd figure here-. Now your buddies can get more remote rep cycles on you, further increasing the afore-mentioned figure. Shield tanks fail hard(with very few exceptions) when trying to do this. Large extenders and extender rigs don't have quite the oomph of 1600mm plates coupled with trimarks(and the sexy-but-expensive-but-so-worth-it slave implants). They'll have better resists(thanks to invuln fields vs EANMs), but they can't get near the effective hitpoints of the plated tanks. Edit to clarify. Check the stats on a 1600mm rolled tungsten plate, versus a Large Shield Extender II. I am not a templar, a fighter drone used by carriers.
Gypsio III Bambooule	Posted - 2008.06.12 12:32:00 - [7] Getting a viable spider shield tank in PVP is pretty tricky, because most ships tank armour, and the CPU requirements on Shield Transfer Arrays are crippling.
Templar Dane Amarrian Retribution	Posted - 2008.06.12 12:34:00 - [8] Originally by: Gypsio III Getting a viable spider shield tank in PVP is pretty tricky, because most ships tank armour, and the CPU requirements on Shield Transfer Arrays are crippling. Yet another reason armor is prefered. Also want to throw in, that you want to be remote repping a ship WHERE HE IS HARDENED! Throwing shield reps at an armageddon isn't going to be doing much good, and you won't be getting many remote armor reps on a raven because he's going to be in his pod real fast. I am not a templar, a fighter drone used by carriers.
Drone AI1	Posted - 2008.06.12 12:45:00 - [9] Edited by: Drone AI1 on 12/06/2008 12:50:27 Originally by: Templar Dane Check the stats on a 1600mm rolled tungsten plate, versus a Large Shield Extender II. yep that was one of the first things I checked a few weeks ago I was only looking into pve then and decided to take higher resists which would result in the shield repairing being more effective. After reading your reply I understood that: if I do plan to use spider tanking in pvp then armour is essential to try and deal with massive burst damage and to free some of the mid slots as you mentioned.
Crellion Art of War Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2008.06.12 16:00:00 - [10] Havent done any Shield rr (remote rep/boost) in pvp (have done loads of armour rr oc) but I dont see any reason why it shouldnt work apart from the point about the cpu requirements but even that is not that important... high slots are sacrifisable in rr set ups... if you have to drop a launcher or a bcu and there the shield transfer fits... Just remember the general important rr points: Stay close, let the fight jump into you and not the other way around, look out for bumps, use eccm, coordinate painters/webs/disrupt (you need all three but not on all ships), keep voice clear, use fleet for reps and voice for targetcalling.
Alowishus Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2008.06.12 19:15:00 - [11] I've done it. I think I prefer armor spider tanking because of the extra time you have to react. A plated Abbadon is much more forgiving than a Raven when primaried.
Merroki	Posted - 2008.06.12 19:53:00 - [12] The missing piece here as you've so nicely figured out, is the XL Shield Extender..

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