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Evanda Char
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.06.12 05:44:00 -
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The recent news has shaken the entire cluster. A fleet purported to be the ancient Elders appears, slaps CONCORD, picks up the Starkmanir, attacks Sarum, apparently gets devastated by a dead Heir, and disappears again in the direction of the Great Wildlands.
The Amarr Navy pulls back, Republic Fleet doesn't cross the borders, the Caldari claim Caldari Prime and Foirtan agrees to it... but CONCORD throws together new militia groups for sanctioned warfare.
There are a lot of holes here. Questions unanswered. Void where proof should be.
And blood is filling those holes.
But perhaps the saddest thing in all of this is, it doesn't matter.
What's done is done. Our duty now lies with the living, with those who survive.
The 24th Imperial Crusade has already engaged in acts of aggression against Matari personnel and assets in Matari space abutting the Bleak Lands. They have stated an agenda to finish the so-called "Reclaiming".
All members of this group have therefore been declared not only kill on sight to Electus Matari, but to be proactively hunted and brought down on every front. Action against this group will be military, political, economic and we just might hurt your feelings too.
This is an action of self-defence, and defence of those dear to us. The 24th Crusade has initiated hostilities against Republican forces, and we will preserve our nation according to Midular's last order.
"By any means necessary".
To the Amarr, however, we say this.
There has to date been no order from the Republic for forces to join the Tribal Liberation Front. And I for one have seen no public order from any faction of the Amarr ruling powers to join the 24th Imperial Crusade.
Electus Matari's war has always been and will ever be against those of proven hostility to our nation. We do not and will not target those who choose to stay neutral, regardless of their race.
We do not seek genocide. We do not seek revenge. The past is gone; no matter how sad, how angry it makes us, we cannot change it.
Our fight is for the living, for the future.
Let the Day of Darkness never dawn again.
-Eva-
Electus Matari - taking it one bad guy at a time |
Tharrn
Vigilia Valeria Expeditionary Forces
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Posted - 2008.06.12 07:45:00 -
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The olive branch has been trampeled into the ground by the Republic. To claim you are acting in self-defence now is laughable to put it positively. If you'd have checked your maps you'd also have noticed that hostilities were again initiated by the Republic and it's lackeyes.
Squirm as much as you want, worm, you are the aggressors here.
Deus vult!
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Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.06.12 07:51:00 -
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You missed the point of Commander Char, slaver.
The point is in this sentence: "But perhaps the saddest thing in all of this is, it doesn't matter."
It does not matter anymore who started this, not as long as your forces are on a rampage to Reclaim. As always, we will defend our people, by any means necessary.
Elsebeth Rhiannon
Diplomat
Electus Matari
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Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2008.06.12 07:54:00 -
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Mixed Metaphor and all her pilots stand ready to aid of the Electus Matari in repelling the thoughtless and unprovoked agression of the Amrr Empire. Ms. Char - Evanda - we will be here when you need us. |
Tharrn
Vigilia Valeria Expeditionary Forces
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Posted - 2008.06.12 08:12:00 -
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I see you are in denial as usual, Ixiris. The news are out there telling a clear story. But that's how we know you: with your fingers in your ears shouting 'Lalalala'.
Now recruiting! |
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2008.06.12 08:14:00 -
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Last Sunday, a joint VV/PIE task force headed to Pator to urge restraint from the Minmatars. To urge them to denounce the violence done in their name.
We came in peace.
The response of EM?
To attack us on our journey home.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2008.06.12 08:15:00 -
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 Originally by: Tharrn
I see you are in denial as usual, Ixiris. The news are out there telling a clear story. But that's how we know you: with your fingers in your ears shouting 'Lalalala'.
He probably has trouble hearing things with that bulky jester's hat covering his ears.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2008.06.12 08:33:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
He probably has trouble hearing things with that bulky jester's hat covering his ears.
I'm sorry, what was that, Blakey-boy? I couldn't hear you over the sound of Caldari and Amarrian ships retreating desperately.
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Dance Commander
Asuka Smith > not even goons can make 30m ISK this interesting. |
Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.06.12 08:44:00 -
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Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon on 12/06/2008 08:43:52
Originally by: Rodj Blake
Last Sunday, a joint VV/PIE task force headed to Pator to urge restraint from the Minmatars. To urge them to denounce the violence done in their name.
We came in peace.
The response of EM?
To attack us on our journey home.
Maybe you should have asked for a cease-fire with the people you had declared war on before entering their space on a quest for peace in warships.
Originally by: Rodj Blake
Originally by: Evanda Char
Electus Matari's war has always been and will ever be against those of proven hostility to our nation. We do not and will not target those who choose to stay neutral, regardless of their race.
Except neutral personnel transports in Amarrian space. They're fair game, right?
Only when they have crossed the border in an attempt to flee due legal consequences of slave trade in the Republic.
Do we really want to go over all that again?
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Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2008.06.12 08:45:00 -
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I wouldn't waste your breath, Elsebeth - everyone even remotely worthwhile already knows you're right. |
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Xennith
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.06.12 09:04:00 -
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Excellent, perhaps now we can put behind us some of the arguments between EM and UK and concentrate on a more worthy goal. Collecting dead slavers.
I am looking forward to flying with you. |
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2008.06.12 09:22:00 -
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Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon
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Except neutral personnel transports in Amarrian space. They're fair game, right?
Only when they have crossed the border in an attempt to flee due legal consequences of slave trade in the Republic.
Do we really want to go over all that again?
Considering that we're still waiting for you to provide evidence of their wrong-doing, why not?
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.06.12 09:25:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon
Do we really want to go over all that again?
Considering that we're still waiting for you to provide evidence of their wrong-doing, why not?
Considering that we have provided it, and you were not able to understand it the first time, but instead declared a war, and further considering the fact that at this moment, going through it will change exactly nothing, I think we should really pass, and leave this thread to discussion of current policies.
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Help us defend the Republic; join Gradient today.
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Drama Kirlan
Severance Limited
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Posted - 2008.06.12 13:16:00 -
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Evanda you know I support you and you know where my corp is should you request aid.
Fly safe |
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2008.06.12 13:30:00 -
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Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon
Originally by: Rodj Blake
Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon
Do we really want to go over all that again?
Considering that we're still waiting for you to provide evidence of their wrong-doing, why not?
Considering that we have provided it, and you were not able to understand it the first time, but instead declared a war, and further considering the fact that at this moment, going through it will change exactly nothing, I think we should really pass, and leave this thread to discussion of current policies.
I'm sure that you do think that this issue should be passed over, seeing as how in fact you have not provided a single shred of evidence. |
Pwett
QUANT Corp.
QUANT Hegemony
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Posted - 2008.06.12 16:21:00 -
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I wish no part in this bickering, but my forces stand at the ready to our settlements in Derelik. We will pursue any hostile act on those under our protection with a vengeance. |
G0rF
The Causality
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.06.12 17:02:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
Edited by: Rodj Blake on 12/06/2008 08:16:20
Last Sunday, a joint VV/PIE task force headed to Pator to urge restraint from the Minmatars. To urge them to denounce the violence done in their name.
We came in peace.
The response of EM?
To attack us on our journey home.
Came in peace?
So that was 35 unarmed Shuttles I saw there, with an invitation from the local defenders to enter? Not fully armed, uninvited Battleships making their way towards Pator?
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KillJoy Tseng
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.06.12 17:24:00 -
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Well G0rf, maybe Armageddon is a new class of shuttle that I've not heard about.
And ignoring the silliness of the claim - does anyone seriously think a reasonable sized Amarrian paramilitary battlegroup is coming to Pator without any intention of fighting? - I would point out that hostilities only kicked off after said Amarrian battlegroup opened fire on a lone Typhoon peacefully approaching the Onga gate in Gyng. So, despite wanting to believe in the good will of our PIE/VV counterparts mission (sure we didn't have much interest in their words, but they have a right to speak) we were forced to retaliate to this opening of hostilities. Fortunately, we had our own fleet nearby, as we wished to ensure that our Amarrian friends had a safe trip to their own space.
I think that's at least as believable as Mr. Blake's statement that they came with no intention of hostilities; parts of it are verifiably true. |
Lyra Garris
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2008.06.12 19:32:00 -
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Edited by: Lyra Garris on 12/06/2008 19:34:29
While getting involved in this argument is going to be pretty pointless, I have to correct KillJoy here...
The first hostility was actually a stealth bomber belonging to Hobblah, an employee of Gradient and member of Electus Matari, shooting at my scout ship while we were peacefully assembled around the monument around Pator. Hobblah then proceeded to try and destroy most of the fleet's smaller elements, repeatedly, until he left to join with the main Matari fleet in a larger vessel. At that point, the 'peaceful' Electus Matari forces had proven hostile, so it's pretty obvious that the fleet would engage known enemies, especially as we had reports of the Matari fleeting up and preparing to attack.
Not asking for permission is a straw-man argument. It would have never been given and everyone knows that. And if we had come in unarmed ships, well, bear in mind the very first shot was by Electus Matari at an unarmed ship. |
Xennith
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.06.12 21:04:00 -
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Originally by: Lyra Garris
At that point, the 'peaceful' Electus Matari forces had proven hostile
reminds me of the recent flare up of hostilities between U'K and PIE/VV/AM/etc where we went to visit Amarr with no hostile intent (I wanted to look at the really ugly statue) and were brutally attacked by some very bad men, which made us very sad and forced us against our will to open fire.
IE, both stories are complete testicals. You went looking for a fight, you found one, and now you are engaged in some kind of lying competition to see who can spin the truth the hardest. I think you should stop before you cause some kind of coriolis force to rip a hole in the universe.
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Becq Starforged
Minmatar Ship Construction Services
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.06.12 21:12:00 -
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It will be good to continue fighting alongside our brothers and sisters in Electus Matari against our common foe. May we -- together -- ensure that the future of our people is bright, no matter how dark the past.
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Becq Starforged
The Flame of Freedom Burns On! |
Major Death
Sarz'na Khumatari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.06.12 21:20:00 -
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Edited by: Major Death on 12/06/2008 21:20:31
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reminds me of the recent flare up of hostilities between U'K and PIE/VV/AM/etc where we went to visit Amarr with no hostile intent (I wanted to look at the really ugly statue) and were brutally attacked by some very bad men, which made us very sad and forced us against our will to open fire.
Actually I fired on the statue. And a place of worship. And some people going to said place of worship.
My original sig was 'Enjoy lag free play in a dynamic space MMORPG'. It was removed for lack of EVE content! ;)
CCP say 'Shut up about bugs and eat your eye candy!' |
KillJoy Tseng
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.06.12 21:39:00 -
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Originally by: Lyra Garris
While getting involved in this argument is going to be pretty pointless, I have to correct KillJoy here...
The first hostility was actually a stealth bomber belonging to Hobblah, an employee of Gradient and member of Electus Matari, shooting at my scout ship while we were peacefully assembled around the monument around Pator.
Well, in that case I must apologize, Ms. Garris; I believe he was acting without orders to that end, and if you submit killmails for any of the scouting elements of your perfectly peaceable fleet of heavily-armed warships that he destroyed, I'm sure we can see about reimbursement. In return, perhaps we can see about reimbursement for various, for example, mining assets that were attacked *in Republic space* by your forces? Or repatriation for crewmembers captured and, according to members of your organization, enslaved using the Vitoc method? Can I recieve assurances that if I choose to visit Amarr in a warship for peaceful purposes, I won't be attacked enroute?
Let's be perfectly serious here. You came in a warfleet looking for a fight. You got one. That you and Mr. Blake are claiming otherwise crosses over into the realm of the ridiculous, which I had previously thought Amarrians had a limited appreciation for.
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3ll3
Tranquillity Nation
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Posted - 2008.06.12 23:54:00 -
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For an age now PIE and VV have been coming into Matari Space in search of Easy Kills running from fights that are on an even level.
Saying they are on peace laden trips such as going home is a compleat false hood, they sit in wait ready to pounce on any thing that can not fight back or can not escape quickly enough for them to both immobilize and scramble a ships F,C,S!
(Fire Control System)
Taking great joy in the slow death of their prey!
But that's fine for they are at war with EM but when they cry foul because the same is done on to them, then that just shows them to be Immature Children Playing at being Adults!
As though like some infant demanding they can attack but their enemies can't hit back at them when they enter Matari space, Continue your work's EM, let not these Fell Vultures sway you from your Course.
Your efforts do not go unnoticed EM and many are behind you all the way.
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Bad Harlequin
Chiroptera Factor
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Posted - 2008.06.13 02:15:00 -
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Originally by: Lyra Garris
Not asking for permission is a straw-man argument. It would have never been given and everyone knows that.
Then stay out.
"We showed up where we knew we weren't wanted with no warning in warships. Hey, you jerks shot at us! How agressive of you!"
Do you really expect anyone to nod along with this who isn't already firmly in your pocket? Or is this just some literal preaching to the choir?
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Viqer Fell
The Republican 1st Strike Force
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Posted - 2008.06.13 02:32:00 -
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Edited by: Viqer Fell on 13/06/2008 02:32:24
/me takes Tharnn's Olive Branch and shoves it right up his unspeakables.
Evanda may not seek genocide, but we do. Revenge is all that we are left with and so we will seek it with all of our skill.
You can stick your peace where I just stuck your stick.
The Republican 1st Strike Forec will soon be part of the local Militia forces.
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Sythra Coratana
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.06.13 03:03:00 -
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Settle down little ones. This is merely an informative announcement. And I humbly request you cease any attempts at genocide, regardless of who they are against.
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Major Death
Sarz'na Khumatari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.06.13 09:20:00 -
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Evanda may not seek genocide, but we do. Revenge is all that we are left with and so we will seek it with all of our skill.
Despite what some might say of me, I do not support genocide. I would advise you to not fly into my lock range if you intent to pursue such a scheme.
My original sig was 'Enjoy lag free play in a dynamic space MMORPG'. It was removed for lack of EVE content! ;)
CCP say 'Shut up about bugs and eat your eye candy!' |
Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.06.13 11:42:00 -
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Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon on 13/06/2008 11:44:32
Originally by: Lyra Garris
At that point, the 'peaceful' Electus Matari forces had proven hostile,
If there was some assumption on your side that we would not seek to destroy a hostile Amarr fleet on Matar orbit, you have been lied to buy your superiors.
Again.
K-Joy, stop confusing the Amarr, understanding sarcasm has never been their best skill. 
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Not asking for permission is a straw-man argument. It would have never been given and everyone knows that.
We have agreed to cease-fires before, when the stated reason has been good.
For example, during the Malkalen incident, we sought and agreed to a cease-fire with PIE Inc on a 3-jump range from Malkalen, to allow aid convoys to pass in peace.
As an other example, we have repeatedly suggested that the Praetoria would pull back their war declaration on us so that negotiations concerning the incident that caused the hostilitites would continue.
Elsebeth Rhiannon
Diplomat
Electus Matari |
Viqer Fell
The Republican 1st Strike Force
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Posted - 2008.06.13 12:54:00 -
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Originally by: Major Death
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Evanda may not seek genocide, but we do. Revenge is all that we are left with and so we will seek it with all of our skill.
Despite what some might say of me, I do not support genocide. I would advise you to not fly into my lock range if you intent to pursue such a scheme.
Dear Major erm.....
/me peers at his Terminal Screen closely and then chuckles.
Yes indeeed er, Dear Major Death, 
The Ushra K'han have come a long way since I helped train the majority of its founding pilots but I will freely admit I was always a little more radical in my solutions than my brethren.
Ultimately though I will not hold it against the U'K if one lone rogue pilot chooses to seek me out and show the strength of his convictions by dying at my hands. Unless you simply intended to make bold sounding threats safe in the knowledge you have no intention of ever flying near me?
/me chuckles at the folly of youth
Let me make this clear, the Republican's 1st will take no hostile action against U'K should this sole Caldari seek to put some weight behind his bluster. This is a personal matter as far as I am concerned.
I think the phrase I am looking for, you treachorous stiff-necked Caldari buffoon, is "put your money where your mouth is."
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Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.06.13 12:58:00 -
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Is there any possibility that if some Minmatar factions insist on keeping quarreling with each other during these times, they do it in a thread that is not originally about Electus Matari? 
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Viqer Fell
The Republican 1st Strike Force
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Posted - 2008.06.13 13:00:00 -
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I can't help it if people keep picking fights 
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Xennith
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.06.13 16:34:00 -
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Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon
Is there any possibility that if some Minmatar factions insist on keeping quarreling with each other during these times, they do it in a thread that is not originally about Electus Matari?
Sorry to interupt your thread, im just naturally beligerant. :)
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KillJoy Tseng
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.06.13 23:47:00 -
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The folly of youth my rear. Fine, Mr. Fell, horrible things have been done to our people. I wasn't born in Republic space, and I spent a good portion of my life on the ground in Ammatar space, I have rather a good idea about the details. But if you wish to spout about genocide, about warring on civilians, I challenge you to have the strength of conviction to do so face to face. I would like to see how long you can continue to stomach this talk of genocide while being forced to look the people you're carrying it out on in the face as you kill them. Making war on civilians is tremendously easy when you don't have to look at them, when it's just numbers on a screen displayed on the inside of our pod, just ordinance making its way to the surface from your ship, just orders to pacify an area.
Else, I'm sorry I'm derailing this further, but the man hit a nerve.
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Major Death
Sarz'na Khumatari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.06.14 07:36:00 -
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Dear Major erm.....
/me peers at his Terminal Screen closely and then chuckles.
Yes indeeed er, Dear Major Death,
Your making fun of the outcome of putting a batch serial number into ISH CrFche Unit Name Generator ( Rev 6.8)?
My original sig was 'Enjoy lag free play in a dynamic space MMORPG'. It was removed for lack of EVE content! ;)
CCP say 'Shut up about bugs and eat your eye candy!' |
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