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Uilliam Nebel 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.06.12 12:21:00 - [1] Sorry, my patience has just run out with you all playing your usual 'were such victims' game. Listen, you started a war with a pre-emptive strike, more to boot, you started it by slaughtering people of a neutral third party to do it. (You know, that whole CONCORD station you blew up.) So please excuse my shortness for your 'theatrics' at the moment. As you have lost what ever 'victim' status you had with those actions. By the way, good job on screwing your allies the Gallente. Why with your attack on the CONCORD station, that brought down their network, it is you whom made the rapid Caldari operation to take back their home planet possible. So even though your hands are all ready a bit red, you can put the blood of thousands of Gallente on their as well. Good work Matari, with allies like you I'm sure the Gallente will go far. (Next time, you may wanna share details like that with a military ally, just a thought.) So, that out of the way. Would one of you mind picking up a 'package' I left on Matar during my recent trip there? Thanks.
Uilliam Nebel 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.06.12 12:21:00 - [2] Sorry, my patience has just run out with you all playing your usual 'were such victims' game. Listen, you started a war with a pre-emptive strike, more to boot, you started it by slaughtering people of a neutral third party to do it. (You know, that whole CONCORD station you blew up.) So please excuse my shortness for your 'theatrics' at the moment. As you have lost what ever 'victim' status you had with those actions. By the way, good job on screwing your allies the Gallente. Why with your attack on the CONCORD station, that brought down their network, it is you whom made the rapid Caldari operation to take back their home planet possible. So even though your hands are all ready a bit red, you can put the blood of thousands of Gallente on their as well. Good work Matari, with allies like you I'm sure the Gallente will go far. (Next time, you may wanna share details like that with a military ally, just a thought.) So, that out of the way. Would one of you mind picking up a 'package' I left on Matar during my recent trip there? Thanks.
Victor Vision Central Intelligence Service	Posted - 2008.06.12 12:56:00 - [3] Edited by: Victor Vision on 12/06/2008 12:56:34 Mr. Nebel, while I certainly agree with most you have to say, may I kindly remind you that not all Matari are terrorists. The Ammatar are Matari by heritage. Most of them have listened to our teachings and became enlightened. Many fight alongside our forces against the terrorists. I will therefore ask you, if I may, to use the term terrorist rather than Matari in the future. We all know who those terrorists are, and those shall be and are hunted with no mercy. Best regards my fellow Amarrian friend, VV EVE War I-The Beginning - EVE History Wiki
Vladimir Titov Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2008.06.12 13:05:00 - [4] Edited by: Vladimir Titov on 12/06/2008 13:05:58 We keep hearing these stories about how we are doomed, but last night it took significant effort to coax captains of 24th out of the stations and into an engagement! After securing three systems in Deviod/Bleak Lands we got bored and made our way to Tama to fly alongside the Federal Defense Union. We're through trying to convince you that slavery is an indefensible crime, we come for our people. You best not stand in the way.
Victor Vision Central Intelligence Service	Posted - 2008.06.12 13:11:00 - [5] Originally by: Vladimir Titov Edited by: Vladimir Titov on 12/06/2008 13:05:58 We keep hearing these stories about how we are doomed, but last night it took significant effort to coax captains of 24th out of the stations and into an engagement! After securing three systems in Deviod/Bleak Lands we got bored and made our way to Tama to fly alongside the Federal Defense Union. We're through trying to convince you that slavery is an indefensible crime, we come for our people. You best not stand in the way. How could you not be doomed, filthy terrorist? God is on our side. There will be no mercy for the likes of you. EVE War I-The Beginning - EVE History Wiki
Vladimir Titov Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2008.06.12 13:17:00 - [6] Originally by: Victor Vision How could you not be doomed, filthy terrorist? God is on our side. There will be no mercy for the likes of you. Thats what I told the captains of the 24th last night! I kept saying "come back and engage, I am sure God is on your side!" However, they continued to flee. Amarr faith is just not what it used to be.
Xeserox The Republican 1st Strike Force	Posted - 2008.06.12 13:18:00 - [7] Edited by: Xeserox on 12/06/2008 13:19:03 Originally by: Victor Vision How could you not be doomed, filthy terrorist? God is on our side. There will be no mercy for the likes of you. A false god is on your side, Amarr. One of the many true gods out there wouldn't even fathom allowing your race to enslave another. You follow not a God, but a demon. You are not enlightened but in darkness. And while the captains of the 24th hide in their stations, scared of the repercussions from following a false god. Know that the sins of your empire can only be clensed by the spilling of your blood!
Uilliam Nebel 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.06.12 13:29:00 - [8] Originally by: Vladimir Titov Edited by: Vladimir Titov on 12/06/2008 13:05:58 We keep hearing these stories about how we are doomed....etc, etc.. Hmm, yeah, really interesting. But I don't see a story of doom anywhere in my words above slave. As usual, rather then admit your all responsible for thousands of peoples deaths, you try to derail the topic by trying to encite anger by making it seem that the 24th is acting cowardly. It's a war slave, you don't win by being valiant and tossing your life away to the enemy. You win it by maximizing your advantage, and making the other fellow (In this case you Slave, and your whole fit to only be slaves race.) die for his side.
Vladimir Titov Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2008.06.12 13:37:00 - [9] Edited by: Vladimir Titov on 12/06/2008 13:37:36 Yes the 24th is quite adept at the art of war, especially when it comes to the art of retreat. But please, do not let me stop you, I am certain you will lead your men to victory from that very armchair you sit on now.
Andreus Ixiris Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2008.06.12 13:52:00 - [10] Ah, so the compassionate mask of the Amarr comes off finally, and they demand victory when faced only with defeat. Begone, false prophet - your militia has fared dreadfully so far, and the Caldari not much better. ----- CEO, Mixed Metaphor Dance Commander Asuka Smith > not even goons can make 30m ISK this interesting.
Uilliam Nebel 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.06.12 14:10:00 - [11] Originally by: Andreus Ixiris Ah, so the compassionate mask of the Amarr comes off finally, and they demand victory when faced only with defeat. Begone, false prophet - your militia has fared dreadfully so far, and the Caldari not much better. Say, instead of sniping from the side lines, how about signing up to a militia. Oh wait, that would require you to risk something other then flapping your gums.
KillJoy Tseng Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.06.12 16:56:00 - [12] Dear Mr. Nebel, Do you miraculously posess some information on the organization behind what The Scope has dubbed the Elder Fleet? Perhaps some declaration of war from the Republic government? Or any statement at all from it? How about links between the government and the so called Elder Fleet? I'm certain that if you do posess such, there are many news outlets who will be beating down your door for exclusive access to it. But no matter. I'm going to continue to do my part on shooting Amarrian paramilitary incursions into Republic space, as I rather expect that you lot are going to do to any Matari paramilitary presence. But do feel free to share any information on involvement from either the Matari or Amarrian government with this whole mess that you're privy to but the rest of the population of capsuleers has managed to miss out on. I especially found your post on the "new Mekhios weapon" to be entertaining. See you in space.
Broken Rose SECTION-X	Posted - 2008.06.12 17:02:00 - [13] Ok so yeah, the Thukker tribe has started this little war but I noticed the Caldari were swift to jump in on the heels of the confusion caused by the elimination of concorde assets and the complete breakdown of their ability to patrol to start their own little bit of spacial action. But and this is fairly a big but, kinda like my ex, I digress simply put the Amarrians have for centuries attempted to subjugate and destroy the Matari people, even during the years of relative peace Amarrian sponsered Caldari slave raids have taken place within Matari Sovereign space. I myself have led action against a few of these ... incidents and sent the Caldari pilots home in deep frozen body bags. So in essence please don't come here looking for sympathy because billions have died, because believe me billions more are due to die, war may not be smart but it is most definatly hungry for its bodycount. Perhaps during the course of this war the Matari will free those people still languishing in Amarrian space, perhaps not but know this, your people's hands are as bloody and as responsible for the Thukker fleet action a few days ago. Of course you may label those that fight against you terrorist's but ultimately it is time to reap what you sow. Rose out. Forever Minmatar.
Nicoletta Mithra Aretaic Turn	Posted - 2008.06.12 17:43:00 - [14] Edited by: Nicoletta Mithra on 12/06/2008 17:43:48 Originally by: Victor Vision while I certainly agree with most you have to say, may I kindly remind you that not all Matari are terrorists. [...] I will therefore ask you, if I may, to use the term terrorist rather than Matari in the future. Captain Nebel, I feel the need to stress these words of Captain Vision and to concur with them. Your generalizations give a skewd picture of the reality. The enemys are not the Matari in general, but the 'Elders' and those siding with them. I urge you to restrain your anger to avoid further fallacies like the one you appearently embrace here. Faithfully N. Mithra
Uilliam Nebel 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.06.12 20:03:00 - [15] To the lie that the vast numbers of Matari our not supportive of, or celebrating the sneak attack on Amarr. And that they are a peaceful people. Or that they are not willing members and parties to the slaughter they started. http://myeve.eve-online.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=2128&tid=3 My favorite quote from that being: "It doesn't matter now," said Nakhumi Veras, just one of the many millions now cheering the fleet on. "They are Minmatar, which is all we need to know." http://myeve.eve-online.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=2129&tid=4 To the lie that the vast number of Matari don't recognize the Elders as their leadership, after they plotted and violently removed the Republic government. http://myeve.eve-online.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=2132&tid=3 http://myeve.eve-online.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=2112&tid=4 Go ahead, argue with those news images, showing millions of Matari in the street, celebrating and reveling with their sneak attack on Amarr, and several other parties. Or with how their 'Republic' fleet let the criminal Elder fleet go right past them with no issue. Why would the Republic fleet allow a criminal, large, military force cross over without issue into their borders? Because they are the same force as that Republic fleet! Maybe there is a minority of Matari with some decency, whom are ashamed of the actions that some of their fellow Matari took, and what was clearly supported by a vast majority of them more. But to say the majority of Matari people, when they took to the streets, and rejoiced with the murders of Amarrians are not mine and every other Amarrian's enemy is insanity. Not when you see countless millions of them like that news footage clearly shows. / "Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in getting up every time we do." - Confucius, Chinese philosopher & reformer (551 BC - 479 BC.)
Becq Starforged Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.06.12 20:44:00 - [16] Ten centuries, Mr. Nebel. We've only just begun to thank you for all you've done to our people.
Major Death Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.06.12 20:47:00 - [17] Quote: Why would the Republic fleet allow a criminal, large, military force cross over without issue into their borders? Because when the Amarr invaded the Minmatar didn't have a war fleet. Still thats been fixed.
Uilliam Nebel 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.06.12 21:05:00 - [18] Originally by: Major Death Quote: Why would the Republic fleet allow a criminal, large, military force cross over without issue into their borders? Because when the Amarr invaded the Minmatar didn't have a war fleet. Still thats been fixed. What does that possibly have to do within the original context of what you quoted? Except to try and pathetically justify things by the actions of people long dead now and say that somehow gives the Matari a monopoly on human suffering and the right to carry out murder? / "Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in getting up every time we do." - Confucius, Chinese philosopher & reformer (551 BC - 479 BC.)
Major Death Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.06.12 21:16:00 - [19] Quote: What does that possibly have to do within the original context of what you quoted? Except to try and pathetically justify things by the actions of people long dead now and say that somehow gives the Matari a monopoly on human suffering and the right to carry out murder? Curses! You found me out! IÆm the DEVIL, come to encourage the heathen to invade Amarr space and destroy the Amarr and all their good works, like slavery. Happy now? My original sig was 'Enjoy lag free play in a dynamic space MMORPG'. It was removed for lack of EVE content! ;) CCP say 'Shut up about bugs and eat your eye candy!'
KillJoy Tseng Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.06.12 21:26:00 - [20] I would wish you to point out where I have said any of these lies that you bring up. Did I say that there wasn't celebration among the populace at such a strike? No; perhaps it has escaped your notice, but for all that many Amarrians tout some holders example of treating their slaves with lesser degrees of barbarity, there is a fair degree of ill-will towards the Amarr. Have I described us as an inherently peaceful people? No. Many of our attitudes are shaped by the actions that were taken against us, and the actions that our people had to take to secure their freedom from the Amarr, even those who don't desire outright war. You know what? Though I wish it hadn't happened, regret the loss of lives, especially those of the slaves being massacred, and I dread what's coming next and think that it's gambling with my race's doom, I raised a pint in salute to the fallen. So next. However you choose to interpret the news, there is no statement from the fleet in question. There is no confirmation even of the rumor that it's led by the mythical Elders returned from who-knows-where. In fact, if you read the CONCORD bulletin once they restored systems, they, one of the victims of this fleet, destribe it as "mercenaries posing as Minmatar Republic and/or Thukker warships". The news reports you link make no mention of relignment of the tribal leadership to follow any dictates from these supposed Elders, nor does it make any mention of the actions of the masses other than celebration of a news report. There is no confirmation that the deaths of various officials has anything to do with the fleet in question, though it wouldn't seem unreasonable. But it could also be opportunists taking advantage of the chaos of other events, similar to the actions of the Caldari. You have, in short, no evidence that any of this was sanctioned by the government of the Minmatar Republic. Next, why wouldn't the Republic Fleet pursue the forces in question? Be real, Uilliam. You served with VV long enough for them to teach you the basics, and while we're on opposite sides, I do respect their strategic and tactical abilities. If they resisted, the result would be largely the same as the initial resistance the Amarr fleet provided; negligible. The Repulic Fleet was and is deployed across the border to prevent a possible Amarrian counterattack, which means at any given place the concentration of forces wouldn't be enough to withstand the so-called Elder Fleet. And if they tried to mass forces, there would have been nothing to stop the Amarrian fleet in pursuit from continuing on into Republic space, like all those slave raiders that supposedly don't exist, and for much the same purpose. I wait to see what words you put in my mouth, and what I'm accused of lying about next.
Becq Starforged Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.06.12 21:27:00 - [21] Mr. Nebel, no need to be modest. After all, your people claim to be our betters, and continually tell us that you seek only to teach us properly civilized behavior. As it happens, we are merely putting into practice the lessons we have learned from the Empire's own example when they first encountered our people. Remember that emulation is the most sincere form of flattery, and rejoice that finally -- after so long -- we have truly begun to take your teaching to heart. Is this more or less the point you were trying to convey, Major Death? Oh, and Mr Nebel: you might want to begin praying to your vile "god" that we don't learn to accept the Empire's teachings on slavery... -- Becq Starforged The Flame of Freedom Burns On!
Esna Pitoojee Heavily Utilized Mechanic Mayhem	Posted - 2008.06.12 21:56:00 - [22] Originally by: Vladimir Titov Edited by: Vladimir Titov on 12/06/2008 13:05:58 After securing three systems in Deviod/Bleak Lands we got bored and made our way to Tama to fly alongside the Federal Defense Union. Funny, but a friend in the FDU said that a TLF fleet arrived a few systems out from Tama and sat there, refusing attempts to open communication lines to coordinate the two fleets (some of which were desperate requests for help from FDU fleet members under attack by Caldari gangs), and before the TLF fleet dissolved they insisted that they had "greatly helped" the FDU fleet. I wonder if this indicates a level of exageration among TLF members similar to that of U'K claims? I don't personally have anything against you TLF pilots, but please, stop making silly, overblown claims. ---------------------------------------------- Say "Amarr ships suk, lol." I dare you. My statments do not represent the opinions, views, or actions of my corp.
KillJoy Tseng Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.06.12 22:07:00 - [23] Originally by: Becq Starforged Oh, and Mr Nebel: you might want to begin praying to your vile "god" that we don't learn to accept the Empire's teachings on slavery... Becq... I don't know of your own experiences, just my own. And I realize that it is likely rhetoric. But here you go too far, brother. No matter what has come before or is yet to come, no matter who it would be in chains, I cannot and will not stand for Matari perpetuating that practice.
Broken Rose SECTION-X	Posted - 2008.06.12 22:24:00 - [24] Originally by: KillJoy Tseng Originally by: Becq Starforged Oh, and Mr Nebel: you might want to begin praying to your vile "god" that we don't learn to accept the Empire's teachings on slavery... Becq... I don't know of your own experiences, just my own. And I realize that it is likely rhetoric. But here you go too far, brother. No matter what has come before or is yet to come, no matter who it would be in chains, I cannot and will not stand for Matari perpetuating that practice. I think you need to re-read his post, no true Matari would condone slavery. Even against an Amarr a single bullet to the head might solve that issue by possibly finding the brain. Though my experience of Amarrian men, their brains are much much lower. I dont condone murder, but I condone euthanasia of a dying race... Rose Forever Minmatar.
KillJoy Tseng Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.06.12 22:52:00 - [25] That it came up, as something that should be hoped we don't copy, as if it's concievable that we would let it happen under some circumstances, is bad enough for my tastes. I wish only to remind him to consider what he said.
Becq Starforged Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.06.13 00:02:00 - [26] Originally by: KillJoy Tseng That it came up, as something that should be hoped we don't copy, as if it's concievable that we would let it happen under some circumstances, is bad enough for my tastes. I wish only to remind him to consider what he said. Becq Starforged sighs, and shakes his head ruefully. That you'd consider me even remotely capable of such an act underscores the lack of understanding our groups occasionally have for each other. If it helps, let me be clear: both I and my organization are vehemently opposed to our dying breath of the practice slavery by anyone over anyone. Period. We are so opposed to it, in fact, that we have unilaterally and repeatedly rejected the authority of the Republic and even CONCORD to prevent us from fighting against those who practice it. And no, this is not a dig against anyone who choses to act within the law, it is just a statement of our own viewpoint on the subject. Regarding my comment above, it was meant to convey a point, not to indicate a policy; since it appears that once again I was being unclear, I'll explain: The Imperials speak with play-acted horror of the recent attacks by the elders as being without sufficient precidence or justification, yet they are presumeably aware that they themselves have conducted far worse attacks against our own people (and others) with no precidence or justification whatsoever. The moral that I had hoped would be drawn from this was that sometimes what you do to others comes back to you, and when it does you have no valid complaint. I then made an apparently poor attempt to draw a hypothetical parallel to slavery in the (no doubt futile) hope that some fraction of them would reconsider their support for slavery in light of the preceding moral. I admit the chances are slim, but there have been Amarrians who have come to such realizations in the past, and have become ardent supporters of our cause.
KillJoy Tseng Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.06.13 00:25:00 - [27] This is, I fear, the problem with communicating like this, but allow me to apoligize. Not that I thought you and yours were supporting such by any means, it's just... it seems a touchy subject to use for illustrating a point. I think I see what you meant by it now that I stop and think about it but, well. Didn't put me in a mindset to think about it past face value at the time, if you get my drift.
Lordus Mark RDK Trusting Holders	Posted - 2008.06.13 00:30:00 - [28] Originally by: Victor Vision Edited by: Victor Vision on 12/06/2008 13:15:06 Mr. Nebel, while I certainly agree with most you have to say, may I kindly remind you that not all Matari are terrorists. The Ammatar are Matari by heritage. Most of them have listened to our teachings and became enlightened. Many fight alongside our forces against the terrorists. I will therefore ask you, if I may, to use the term terrorist rather than Matari in the future. We all know who the terrorists are, and those shall be hunted with no mercy. Best regards my fellow Amarrian friend, VV Let the young one speak. He's right. They're all scum. Furthermore, those of whom you speak, are defecting. So much for your worthy assumptions. Reclaim them all.
Uilliam Nebel 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.06.13 00:30:00 - [29] Originally by: Becq Starforged The moral that I had hoped would be drawn from this was that sometimes what you do to others comes back to you, and when it does you have no valid complaint. I then made an apparently poor attempt to draw a hypothetical parallel to slavery in the (no doubt futile) hope that some fraction of them would reconsider their support for slavery in light of the preceding moral. Or you are just back tracking from a statement you would long to carry out, where you were looking to have the most venom possible. And then realized your true colors as a complete sociopath who would like to inflict maximum misery on others because your nothing but a souless hate filled wreck on the inside began showing to your 'allies.'
KillJoy Tseng Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.06.13 00:45:00 - [30] Wow, you have a way with words when you put your mind to it, Uilliam. That's almost poetic. Like I explained though, I know better. I may not know Becq as well as many of those in my own corporation and alliance, but I know him better than that. Just touched a nerve, is all.

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