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HeXxploiT
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Posted - 2008.06.12 17:50:00 -
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What happens if you just let your ship fly in a straight line indefinitely?
Let's say I undock and don't touch anything. When the ship undocks it's always traveling in in a straight line away from the space station.
If I just let it go would it actually leave the solar system? |
MeGrand
Life INC
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Posted - 2008.06.12 17:52:00 -
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i expect i'd crash eve
and no you can't
piratically speaking anyway it would take many many years to find out! |
HeXxploiT
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Posted - 2008.06.12 17:59:00 -
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Edited by: HeXxploiT on 12/06/2008 17:59:08
 Originally by: MeGrand
i expect i'd crash eve
and no you can't
piratically speaking anyway it would take many many years to find out!
So then as far as we know you can travel from one solar system to the next without warping or jumping? I don't know why but this makes me very content. I appreciate non-linearity. |
Ki Tarra
Ki Tech Industries
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Posted - 2008.06.12 18:00:00 -
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Edited by: Ki Tarra on 12/06/2008 18:01:36
Originally by: HeXxploiT
If I just let it go would it actually leave the solar system?
You cannot leave a solar system without using a stargate/jump drive.
A while back, a couple of guys attempted to use scan probes to work their way to another system in Jove space.
While they made it to the location of the other system, because they did not use a stargate/jump drive to change systems, they were still in their original system and unable to interact with anything in that solar system. Originally by: HeXxploiT
So then as far as we know you can travel from one solar system to the next without warping or jumping? I don't know why but this makes me very content. I appreciate non-linearity.
The reason for needing the session change is because different solar systems are hosted on different cluster nodes. The session change is what switches you to the other node.
BTW - flying to another solar system at sub-warp speed would take hundreds of years.
If you want to try flying somewhere manually, find yourself a pair of station in orbit around the same planet/moon. Often they will only be a couple thousand km apart, sometimes even less than 1,000 km. You can fly between such stations under normal power, it just takes alot longer. |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.06.12 18:00:00 -
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You'd just keep going and going and going.
Even if you'd be able to log in daily and EVE keeps existing for that long, and if you live that long, when you reach (after many years, even at top sublight speeds) the location where a different solar system should be, you'd STILL be "loaded" into the node serving the old solar system you started in.
That is, if the game doesn't change until then.
A group of guys used to do that, but with warps, by using the old style probes (they were changed a good while back, you can no longer do that)... they tried to reach Jove space from the closest solarsystem.
They were at the location where a Jove-area sun should have been, but they still showed up in the old system.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.06.12 18:04:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 12/06/2008 18:05:30
MATH TIME !
1 light-year = aprox 9,460,528,400,000 kilometers.
Even assuming you can find two solar systems just 1 LY away from eachother, also assuming you can fit a ship that flies (without using cap charges and is cap-stable) at 50 km/sec, it would still take you 189,210,568,000 seconds to cross that distance.
Coincidentally, that's a little bit under 6000 years.
Fly safe 
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HeXxploiT
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Posted - 2008.06.12 18:16:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Edited by: Akita T on 12/06/2008 18:05:30
MATH TIME !
1 light-year = aprox 9,460,528,400,000 kilometers.
Even assuming you can find two solar systems just 1 LY away from eachother, also assuming you can fit a ship that flies (without using cap charges and is cap-stable) at 50 km/sec, it would still take you 189,210,568,000 seconds to cross that distance.
Coincidentally, that's a little bit under 6000 years.
Fly safe
I knew how ridiculous it was to begin with.
Like I said however just the idea that it can be done brings me comfort.
The human mind is a curious thing.
Well...now it sounds like it can be semi-done. So you're there...but you're not there.
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Mankirks Wife
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Posted - 2008.06.12 19:48:00 -
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Edited by: Mankirks Wife on 12/06/2008 19:51:42
You can fly in a straight line forever but you'll never find anything (except maybe someone's safespot and the odds of that are like winning the lotto back to back).
At interceptor speeds (we'll say 20kms/sec), it'd take you 86.6 days to go one AU, or a shade under 1500 years to one light year. You used to be able to exploit the inaccuracy of observator probes to get into deep space but this has been fixed.
For reference, Voyager 1, the most distant man-made object from the Earth (and it still works too - they don't make 'em like they used to ) is 105 AUs from Earth and is traveling at 17.1 km/sec (a bit slower than interceptors in Eve), and has been in space since 1977, though it wasn't going quite as fast then, it's received several gravity boosts since then.
But hey, if you want to slowboat for the rest of your life go right ahead. |
Letouk Mernel
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Posted - 2008.06.13 00:25:00 -
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Edited by: Letouk Mernel on 13/06/2008 00:30:02
Each solar system in EVE is its own "zone" that can only be exited through the gates. When you use a gate, the servers transfer your character from one zone to the next. Otherwise, you are basically flying inside the solar system, and even if you took the 6000 years you'd still be in the same solar system, as far as the servers are concerned.
EDIT: Incidentally, the servers don't maintain the graphics illusion that you see, this is not the Matrix. All you are is a number in a database that says:
HeXxploiT - current solar system: Jita, coordinates within solar system: x=... y=... z=...
The EVE client takes that information, then looks up what the coordinates for the sun and planets are, and draws them in proportion to where you are, basically. Each solar system is infinite in size, theoretically (and in practice, as big in size as they have allocated for the size of the x, y, and z variables).
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Galactic Tycoon
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Posted - 2008.06.13 01:46:00 -
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Edited by: Galactic Tycoon on 13/06/2008 01:47:28
You can't leave the solar system without jumping. There are boundaries in games. Whilst the EVE map looks like a direct road map, it's not. You need to be loaded and transfered into the new area. Much like loading level 2 after level 1 except all the areas in EVE are live.
To travel on impulse speed to another system there needs to be spaced mapped and connected to the new system. EVE isn't one whole connected map. The EVE map creates the illusion that's the case.
That might be a bad explantion. Here's a better one. EVE is 30k players in one game yes. But it's like 30k people in different rooms in one building and in order to get to the other rooms you have to go through the doors (jump gates).
Take a game like Mario Galaxy, if you could zoom way out of the level you'd basically see the level floating in a vastness of empty space which you can't get to.
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Letouk Mernel
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Posted - 2008.06.13 04:22:00 -
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Edited by: Letouk Mernel on 13/06/2008 04:23:44
Also, the real answer, if you keep going and going and going... nothing outlasts you, Energizer Bunny!!
You'd need drums and bigger (pink) ears to do that, though.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2008.06.13 05:07:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
You'd just keep going and going and going.
Even if you'd be able to log in daily and EVE keeps existing for that long, and if you live that long, when you reach (after many years, even at top sublight speeds) the location where a different solar system should be, you'd STILL be "loaded" into the node serving the old solar system you started in.
That is, if the game doesn't change until then.
A group of guys used to do that, but with warps, by using the old style probes (they were changed a good while back, you can no longer do that)... they tried to reach Jove space from the closest solarsystem.
They were at the location where a Jove-area sun should have been, but they still showed up in the old system.
problem as far as we know there is no jove space anyways, has anyone tried it with two systems?
I've flown once form a planet to a moon in between two stations that were over 100,000km apart so maybe you can. |
HeXxploiT
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Posted - 2008.06.13 05:09:00 -
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Originally by: Galactic Tycoon
Edited by: Galactic Tycoon on 13/06/2008 01:47:28
You can't leave the solar system without jumping. There are boundaries in games. Whilst the EVE map looks like a direct road map, it's not. You need to be loaded and transfered into the new area. Much like loading level 2 after level 1 except all the areas in EVE are live.
To travel on impulse speed to another system there needs to be spaced mapped and connected to the new system. EVE isn't one whole connected map. The EVE map creates the illusion that's the case.
That might be a bad explantion. Here's a better one. EVE is 30k players in one game yes. But it's like 30k people in different rooms in one building and in order to get to the other rooms you have to go through the doors (jump gates).
Take a game like Mario Galaxy, if you could zoom way out of the level you'd basically see the level floating in a vastness of empty space which you can't get to.
Actually it would be rather simple to make it appear as one map. Take Oblivion for example as it seamlessly loads each area. This could be done quite simply. Why would the developers want to you ask? Why to satisfy my psyche of course.
Yes it would be ridiculous as I'm sure few would try it. I do think it would help contribute to that non-linear feeling but that's just me. |
smenkhare
Deep Black Industries
House of Mercury
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Posted - 2008.06.13 08:04:00 -
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Originally by: MotherMoon
Originally by: Akita T
problem as far as we know there is no jove space anyways,
There is jove space as you used to be able to put clones in stations there |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.06.13 08:08:00 -
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Originally by: MotherMoon
problem as far as we know there is no jove space anyways
Oh, there certainly is some Jove space around, but it's 100% CCP staff playground... there's been a good while since nobody else but them can go there.
You will occasionally see some people online within those systems on the starmap statistics.
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Gieron
Middleton and Mercer LLP
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2008.06.13 08:35:00 -
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People interested in EVE backstory might want to read the tale about the Old man star. It gives you a nice explanation of just how far it is to another solar system. |
Galactic Tycoon
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Posted - 2008.06.13 12:53:00 -
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Actually it would be rather simple to make it appear as one map. Take Oblivion for example as it seamlessly loads each area. This could be done quite simply. Why would the developers want to you ask? Why to satisfy my psyche of course.
Yes it would be ridiculous as I'm sure few would try it. I do think it would help contribute to that non-linear feeling but that's just me.
Yeah however only a few areas of the map exist in oblivion at one time. Once you get to a certain point then next area loads in. Before that point it's not in the game. If it was all there it would be thousands of extra polys for the game engine and things would degrade.
Even some areas in oblivion aren't there if your characters point of view can't see them. In Quake you had portals (points which determine what can be seen y the player), only polys that the character could see were rendered. Eg. If your character could see through portal one, two and three but not four. Then only parts 1,2,3 of the level had drawn polygons.
EVE is different in that respect as the backgrounds are not polygons. |
Letouk Mernel
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Posted - 2008.06.13 13:06:00 -
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They could do it... as soon as you get 1 light-year away from the sun, you see "loading, please wait" and then you're transported to 1 light-year away from the sun in the next system. "Did you spend 6 months trying to get to that spot? Here's another 6 months for you trying to approach the sun of the next system over, so you can do something useful. Thank you for your subscription money, and all that." |
Bleeshtar
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Posted - 2008.06.13 14:20:00 -
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Edited by: Bleeshtar on 13/06/2008 14:22:26
Put it this way...
If you left a station in a fast ship on the day of the launch of eve, continued outward at top speed, you will still be in the solar system you started in.
Heres some fun astronomical distances
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