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Trent Valtine
Strix Armaments and Defence
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Posted - 2008.06.13 00:32:00 -
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President Foiritain was right. There are beds of snakes in the Gallente Federation. He was correct to name Adm. Eturrier as one of those snakes. However, it seems obvious to me that he is missing another.
FIO Chief Director Apaset Orviegnoure is a traitor to our great nation who failed to act on the obvious signs leading up to the Caldari invasion. And now, because of his treachery, we have a Caldari Titan sitting in our capital system, above a planet where thousands upon thousands of innocent Gallente were mercilessly slaugthered by the enemy that came in through the door he forgot to lock.
I ask that Mr. Orviegnoure be stripped of his office and tried by the Supreme Court for treason and the gross dereliction of duty that led to the deaths of both soldier and civilian. I also call for a Supreme Court investigation into the actions of the FIO leading up to the Invasion. The fools and incompetents must be purged from the organizations we trust with defending our lives, lands, and freedoms.
The shield of the Federation is *****ed, my friends. Through the weakness and ineptitude of those manning our defenses, we have been left without protection in a world hostile to and envious of our way of life and our prosperity. Let us reforge this shield stronger than ever, so that no one can ever do us harm again. |
Kvander Godalming
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Posted - 2008.06.13 01:02:00 -
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Harumph. I'm surprised anyone can take seriously the tough talk of the government whose incompetence and complacency fostered the revanchist ambitions of the mass murderer Alexander Noir.
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Marie Trudeau
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.06.13 01:07:00 -
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Trent, we will prevail. Give this time. The FIO will be ... cleansed ... I have the word of my own Senator on that. Our navy is being expanded even as we speak, our Admiralty has been purged, and the remnants of the traitorous scum will be hunted down and neutralized.
In the meantime, we can do well by constraining Caldari expansion in Black Rise ... the last thing the Federation needs for the coming, hotter, war. We stand together, friend, in this fight. |
Trent Valtine
Strix Armaments and Defence
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Posted - 2008.06.13 02:39:00 -
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 Originally by: Marie Trudeau
In the meantime, we can do well by constraining Caldari expansion in Black Rise ... the last thing the Federation needs for the coming, hotter, war. We stand together, friend, in this fight.
And Strix is doing its part. I hope that Foiritain has the courage and conviction to do what is necessary in this dark time. And the intelligence to do so without crippling what we hope to protect: our freedom. I do have my doubts as to his abilities as a wartime leader, however. |
Julianus Soter
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
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Posted - 2008.06.13 02:42:00 -
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It will be a trial by fire for him, to be sure. Let's see how things progress with the changing of the guard in the Navy.
As always, Trent, my best wishes for Strix and your efforts. My corporation will do our part as well. |
Karanth
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.06.13 09:07:00 -
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Our President seems to be, as some would say, "hardening the **** up."
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Pytria Le'Danness
Placid Reborn
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Posted - 2008.06.13 09:36:00 -
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Originally by: Karanth
Our President seems to be, as some would say, "hardening the **** up."
Which is just as well - if he would have gotten any softer, he would have been in danger of flowing through a grate.
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Mithrantir Ob'lontra
Ixion Defence Systems
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Posted - 2008.06.13 13:46:00 -
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Very sad to see that an Admiral of the Fleet decided to turn on his country. Especially during the time we needed him most.
He will get what he deserves. Of that I am sure.
President Foiritain has managed to prove once again, that he is up to the tasks presented to the President of the Federation. |
Allaria Kriss
Elipse Inc.
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Posted - 2008.06.13 15:48:00 -
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As a supporter of the Caldari State and the Caldari people (Though not necessarily the megalomaniac Heth) I would like to say thank you to the Gallente Federation. Thank you for this media-fueled fire of hatred and paranoia burning through the Federation government. Thank you for these baseless accusations against high-ranking officials. Thank you for the rampant speculation on who is a traitor and who is not. Thank you for the ongoing 'blame game' taking over the hearts and minds of the Federal populace. Thank you. It makes our lives a lot easier.
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Vendrin
APEX Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.06.13 16:02:00 -
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I find it amusing that the good admiral managed to escape and has yet to have any specific charges for how he committed treason levied at him. I suspect Foiritain simply needed a fall man. |
Trent Valtine
Strix Armaments and Defence
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Posted - 2008.06.13 16:35:00 -
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Originally by: Allaria Kriss
Thank you for these baseless accusations against high-ranking officials.
Baseless accusations? These are hardly baseless. The evidence is the Leviathan floating in our capital system. Adm. Eturrier and Mr. Orviegnoure obviously failed to do their duty, and we should not reward failure by allowing them to stay in office.
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Gavyn Lumier
Omega Fleet Enterprises
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2008.06.13 18:05:00 -
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Originally by: Kvander Godalming
Harumph. I'm surprised anyone can take seriously the tough talk of the government whose incompetence and complacency fostered the revanchist ambitions of the mass murderer Alexander Noir.
We may never truly know why Alexander Noir did what he did. While I cannot speak for all Gallente, I outrightly condemn what he did. Admiral Noir's actions at Malkalen were an atrocity, and my sympathies go out to all who suffered losses, regardless of what nation they call home.
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Vieve Tisserand
Strix Armaments and Defence
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Posted - 2008.06.13 19:05:00 -
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Trent, we share common ideals on so many things that it pains me each time I disagree with you.
This is one such time.
We are in pain. You are in pain. Our people died on Caldari Prime because they happened to be in the way of those who may have believed they were liberators.
There are so many ironies inherent in the previous sentence ... ah, look to your father's homeland, will you? Are they not also on the verge of tearing at one another over what which leadership knew what and did not act or acted traitorously, and who is best suited to lead them?
It weakens them.
Do you wish us to be weakened in a similar manner?
I suspect not. I suspect you believe that the Supreme Court will efficiently bring whomever of us needs to pay for our pain to justice, and that in the end, the common good will be served triumphantly.
It would be a damned circus, Trent.
Give it time.
Be vigilant. Be ready. Be what you are so very good at. But give it time.
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Tomahawk Bliss
The Aegis Militia
Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2008.06.13 21:20:00 -
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Originally by: Pytria Le'Danness
Originally by: Karanth
Our President seems to be, as some would say, "hardening the **** up."
Which is just as well - if he would have gotten any softer, he would have been in danger of flowing through a grate.
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Thorradin
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.06.13 22:00:00 -
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That's right, call for the blood of your scapegoat so that you sleep easier at night, thinking it was treason and not our superior technology and military power that overran you so easily.
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Trent Valtine
Strix Armaments and Defence
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Posted - 2008.06.14 02:22:00 -
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Originally by: Vieve Tisserand
There are so many ironies inherent in the previous sentence ... ah, look to your father's homeland, will you? Are they not also on the verge of tearing at one another over what which leadership knew what and did not act or acted traitorously, and who is best suited to lead them?
It weakens them.
Do you wish us to be weakened in a similar manner?
I suspect not. I suspect you believe that the Supreme Court will efficiently bring whomever of us needs to pay for our pain to justice, and that in the end, the common good will be served triumphantly.
You know what else would make us weak, Vieve? Allowing those who have proven themselves to be inept to remain in positions of power.
I'm sorry, but I simply can't agree with you. Justice must be served. It must be served on our enemies and the ones who allowed those enemies to do us harm. And, in the case of Mme. Orviegnoure, failure of this scale should be punished. She was asleep in the watch-tower.
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Rowen Taien
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.06.14 03:14:00 -
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Originally by: Trent Valtine
The shield of the Federation is fractured, my friends. Through the weakness and ineptitude of those manning our defenses, we have been left without protection in a world hostile to and envious of our way of life and our prosperity. Let us reforge this shield stronger than ever, so that no one can ever do us harm again.
Despite President Foiritain's words I demand proof of his accusations before I agree to brand anyone, Federal Navy or otherwise, with the label and stigma of Traitor. I agree that an investigation must be done, however not at the expense of further comprimising the security of our space and the integrity of our fleets.
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BloodBird
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.06.14 12:16:00 -
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Edited by: BloodBird on 14/06/2008 12:19:29
Originally by: Trent Valtine
I've said elsewhere that the invasion of Caldari Prime was quite obviously no testament to Caldari superiority. It took the entire State Navy to take one planet against a small group of unprepared defenders. In doing so, they locked themselves in one system and left the entire Caldari State open to attack. At that point, we could've flown right into the heart of the State and taken New Caldari with hardly any trouble. I only wish our president had the guts.
Mr. Valtine, you fail to notice one big issue.
Our president decided to agree on the deal of handing over Caldari Prime because he had no other realistic choice at the moment.
No matter how it came to happend, the majority of the State's navy was all of a sudden present in Luminaire, and because the majority of the Federation navy was off holding the borderworlds leading into State territory, what comperatively few defenders there was in our capital system had no chance holding them off. They all died fiering back at a numbericaly superior foe, outnumbered more than 10 to 1. Now some Caldari realize this, some, like Thorradin here, chose to believe that their so superior, and that this was the result.
Regardless, here is the situation Foiritan was looking at that day:
- A massive Caldari fleet in Luminaire.
- All Gallente defenders in the system scattered or dead.
- The gates in have been mined and heaily entreanched while millions of drop-pods land on Caldari prime and overwhelm the few Federation marines and military left after an orbital bombardmant of key-locations, thousands of gallente civilians are killed in the cross-fire or shot by Caldari military forces for being Gallente.
- A Titan in orbit over the planet.
- Gallente Prime totaly defenceless to stop the Caldari.
- The Federation navy far away holding the borderworlds, and all attempts to re-gain access to the system of Luminaire has failed, costing the lives of anyone that dares try, simply because of the sheer number of hostiles that fire on anything entering.
And finaly, Heth asks for a truce, claiming he only wants Caldari Prime and that he will NOT bomb Gallente prime to dust (Well within his ability and likely, also well into his desire I'm sure) "as a show of good faith".
What can Souro Foiritan do, as President? If a bombed-to-dust Gallente Prime is to be avoided, only one option is left available: Agree. give the racist dictator what he wants, anything to keep the homeworld safe. Even though Bombing Gallente Prime would make Heth the biggest hypocrit in the universe, he's likely to do it in pure hatred.
Also, it should be noted, that Heth's plan was nearlry flawless. Not only did he claim Caldari prime, but he also held the enemy's homeworld hostage. Had he bombed the planet he would not just lose his edge and his hostage, he would give the entire Federation an exellent excuse to invade and burn the State down while the majority of their navy was locked down in one system, far away, to far away to effectively stop the Federation fleets in time. It would be a disaster beyong belief for Heth, and he did manage to effectively halt that simply by sucking up his desire to destroy Gallente Prime.
Anyone that asks that Souro Foiritan should be removed from power clearly don't realize he's the finest, most level-headed and humane president we ever had. If a spesific OTHER man was in power, he'd likely have the planet bombed simply out of his innability to kill his pride and say yes to Heth's demands.
Nearly every president that preceded Foiritan was a weakling, easily bullied around by the senate, resulting in the sometimes corrupt senators being in real power by their influence on whoever was president. Souro Foiritan is not weak. He is not inept. On the contrary, he might just be the right man for the job at hand: Halting the tide of Heth's facist state.
I just hope that the Caldari people don't perish with him.
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Major Death
Sarz'na Khumatari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.06.14 14:12:00 -
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Quote:
I just hope that the Caldari people don't perish with him.
That would assume that all Caldari are flocking to Heth's banner.
My original sig was 'Enjoy lag free play in a dynamic space MMORPG'. It was removed for lack of EVE content! ;)
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Karanth
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.06.14 14:31:00 -
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Originally by: Major Death
Quote:
I just hope that the Caldari people don't perish with him.
That would assume that all Caldari are flocking to Heth's banner.
I hope that the ones that do die violently. Siding with Heth is a good way to needing a clone contract renewal.
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Irongut
M'8'S
Frontal Impact
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Posted - 2008.06.15 09:10:00 -
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Originally by: Mithrantir Ob'lontra
President Foiritain has managed to prove once again, that he is up to the tasks presented to the President of the Federation.
You know the government buck stops at the President. Foiritan himself is ultimately responsible for the defence of the Federation and these failures are his.
We should have had Blaque.
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Souvera Corvus
SPORADIC MOVEMENT
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Posted - 2008.06.16 02:00:00 -
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Foiritain wasn't fit for office before and he isn't fit for office now. Heth exploited the malaise of corrupt complacency that has lain at the heart of the Federation for far too long now.
Paramilitaries cursed with good intentions and an inability to question that which they maintained to hold so dear, have contributed to the position that the Federation now finds itself in.
That some amongst them point the finger at some within the Federal hierarchy completely ignores the wider issue of weak, ineffective and corrupt practice at the heart of the government and typified by Foiritain.
Would Blaque have been any better?
Doubtful, being a product of the same system.
Capsuleers born to roam amongst the stars of the cluster should have a wider vision and it is incumbent upon them to question what has gone before, provide leadership in what is yet to come and build a Federation that truly serves the interests of its people.
I have been a citizen of the Republic for some time now and Midular is no better but despite the failings of their leadership these two great nations must drive for ultimate victory. The prize of that victory is not territorial expansion, racial pogroms or empty ceremonials it is to make our people better than they once were.
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Blackjack OMalley
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.06.16 05:05:00 -
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Normally I'm inclined to regard Foiritan as a buffoon, but probably the best buffoon the Gallente have.
Give him back the knife, because the children of men have need of it |
Stitcher
Duty.
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Posted - 2008.06.16 21:23:00 -
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Originally by: Karanth
Our President seems to be, as some would say, "hardening the **** up."
Or turning paranoid.
The Caldari Navy's mandate as an organisation is to be capable of defeating any other navy in the Galaxy. At the point where Heth led it into Luminaire, pretty much any given military analyst would have said that it was capable of doing just that (according to the neutral CONCORD assessment of the Caldari Navy, y.105). Blaming the Federation Navy's defeat on this occasion on treachery, incompetence and suchlike isn't really sensible. If the Federation wanted to have a navy on standby that could have reliably repelled an all-out assault from the Caldari, then the senate shouldn't have slowly whittled away its funding over the last fifty years.
Still, corruption is an inevitable fact of life in any beureacracy, so I'd have been surprised to learn that the Fedeation's defenses were entirely without turncoats, just as I strongly doubt that the State's offensive wasn't without its own internal troubles.
What's catching my eye most of all over this is the tone of the two nations. Mister Heth's address to the State upon the foundation of the Protectorate is a heartfelt plea to us to help undo the dishonour we have done to our ancestors. I may not agree that we were particularly shameful, but at last, at long last, he seems to have begun to accept that maybe our failings as a people were internal. We took back what is rightfuly ours (even I have come to agree with this) and therefore our debt of honour is paid. Everything from this point forward is simple defense of our ideals and territory
The average (and official) Gallente response, from what I can tell, can be summed up as: "Revenge! Traitors! Snakes! Aaargh!". Everywhere you look, the Federation is pumping out negative propoganda about the Caldari, painting us as a treacherous pack of barbarians hell-bent on stabbing our "parent nation" in the back. I'm yet to see a single bit of Caldari propoganda spreading similar sentiments towards the Federation.
I find the contrast to be extremely interesting.
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Souvera Corvus
SPORADIC MOVEMENT
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Posted - 2008.06.17 00:42:00 -
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Originally by: Stitcher
The average (and official) Gallente response, from what I can tell, can be summed up as: "Revenge! Traitors! Snakes! Aaargh!". Everywhere you look, the Federation is pumping out negative propoganda about the Caldari, painting us as a treacherous pack of barbarians hell-bent on stabbing our "parent nation" in the back. I'm yet to see a single bit of Caldari propoganda spreading similar sentiments towards the Federation.
I find the contrast to be extremely interesting.
That you obviously haven't been listening to Heth I find even more interesting.
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Ric Adburr
An Eye For An Eye
Digital Renegades
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Posted - 2008.06.17 03:25:00 -
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Edited by: Ric Adburr on 17/06/2008 03:25:15
Anyone familiar with the term "Witch hunt?"
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Stitcher
Duty.
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Posted - 2008.06.17 20:04:00 -
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Originally by: Souvera Corvus
That you obviously haven't been listening to Heth I find even more interesting.
Oddly enough, Tibus Heth has not issued a single statement of any kind since raising the flag on Caldari Prime, and even then his statement was pretty matter-of fact. Maybe the CEP are holding him back?
It is extremely difficult to listen to a silent man, I find.
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Jean Controleur
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.06.17 23:13:00 -
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How DARE you insult the honorable FIO. I served underneath both the current director and the president, and I have never seen such strides for our great nation! How dare you point an accusing finger at two people who have worked to improve our peoples lots in life.
Do not accuse those that you have no idea of the sacrifices that they have made.
note: The views of Jean Controleur (me) do not represent the views of Why Tee Zed in any form or way, and anything Jean Controleur (me) says should not be interpretted to be official policy of YTZ |
BloodBird
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.06.17 23:48:00 -
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Originally by: Jean Controleur
How DARE you insult the honorable FIO. I served underneath both the current director and the president, and I have never seen such strides for our great nation! How dare you point an accusing finger at two people who have worked to improve our peoples lots in life.
Do not accuse those that you have no idea of the sacrifices that they have made.
He *dares* because it's his belief, his oppinion. How can you be sure all is well just because all seems fine? As I have said elsewhere, questioning one's leaders and the actions they make is allways a healthy thing to do, though silently. Don't just blindly follow. Follow, but do so with open eyes. Understand why, understand reasons to your actions.
And above all, do not assume all is well, or bad, because those in power says so.
Personaly I'd like to see evidence to anything before I start to condemn anyone for this incident. Having the president yell "Traitor" is not good enough to me. I want to know why they are, exactly what they did, or did not do, to deserve such a dis-honourable remark.
But at the same time, I ask that people don't assume their innocent because they look the sort. That is just not healthy either, after all, if your a traitor or spy, you don't want those you spy on/betray to know.
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Souvera Corvus
SPORADIC MOVEMENT
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Posted - 2008.06.17 23:53:00 -
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Originally by: Stitcher
Originally by: Souvera Corvus
That you obviously haven't been listening to Heth I find even more interesting.
Oddly enough, Tibus Heth has not issued a single statement of any kind since raising the flag on Caldari Prime, and even then his statement was pretty matter-of fact. Maybe the CEP are holding him back?
It is extremely difficult to listen to a silent man, I find.
So merely selectively deaf.
By timing your attention to Heth to coincide after the theft of Caldari Prime, you coveniently ignore the xenophobic hyperbole he issued before it. |
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