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Saline Ladamire	Posted - 2008.06.16 21:06:00 - [1] Should i go for the naglifar or nidhoggur?
ExcellciuM Exair Industries	Posted - 2008.06.16 21:07:00 - [2] What do you need it for? Ask yourself this before you ask us a question we cant answer for you.
Saline Ladamire	Posted - 2008.06.16 21:09:00 - [3] ill use both im just looking for pilots personal prefrence and why they enjoy one over the other.
Xaen Caritas.	Posted - 2008.06.16 21:10:00 - [4] Carrier. Dread has two uses: Killing POSes, killing capitals Carrier has more: gang support, DPS, transport, to a lesser degree: killing capitals Plus the prerequisite drone skills will pay off on every ship with a drone bay. Drone Interfacing V, I'm looking at you. - Support fixing the UI\|Suggest Jita fixes\|Compact logs
Bronson Hughes The. Conspiracy	Posted - 2008.06.16 21:27:00 - [5] If you train up capital weapons for a dreadnaught it's generally a short hop into the corresponding T2 battleship weapon and vice versa; this tends to land many sniper BS pilots in the appropriate dread just because they can. Many dread pilots were rather excited when Marauders came out because they pretty much met the pre-reqs by default (BS V, AWU V, EGU V, weapon V, etc). Having said that, I'd have to say that carriers are generally a better choice unless you need to do lots of POS shooting; they're cheaper, the skills are more 'universal', they have a longer jump range, and they have more overall utility. -------------------- "I am hard pressed on my right; my centre is giving way; situation excellent; I am attacking." - Ferdinand Foch at the Battle of the Marne
Riho Mercenary Forces	Posted - 2008.06.16 21:32:00 - [6] Originally by: Saline Ladamire Should i go for the naglifar or nidhoggur? first question you should ask... DO YOU NEED ANY OF THEM ?? if you live in 0.0 or some cases low sec.. and have a use for any of them.. go for it. if you live mainly in high sec... then you have almost no use for them. second question is.. what do you want to do... help siege pos?? go for the dread. want to have fleet support role ?? go for the carrier. training all the pre requred skills for both is a good thing anywas... helps you get all the good stuff for BS anyways :) BS 5 large guns 5, torps 5 , awu 5(good stuff for any typhoon pilot) from carrier skills you get drone interfaceing 5 what is a silly good skill for drones :) so if you wait abit before buying the capital skill and just train the pre required skills, you will not lose out if you decide not to train capitals later on :) ---------------------------------- Fighting for Minmatar o7 Yes... this is my main. Extreme Troll Slayer...
Meteor Crash	Posted - 2008.06.16 22:31:00 - [7] If you're in doubt, then go for the carrier.
Lithalnas Headcrabs	Posted - 2008.06.16 22:42:00 - [8] i know this sounds cheeky, but "if you have to ask then you are not ready to fly one" basically if you are old enough to consider 1+bil isk ships with signifigant skill point investments, you should already have an idea of what you are going to do with it. The answer should be somewhat obvious at that point. ------------- fixed for greater eve content
Lithel Andy Cox Is Full of Shait	Posted - 2008.06.16 22:45:00 - [9] Originally by: Xaen Dread has two uses: Killing POSes, killing capitals Carrier has more: gang support, DPS, transport, to a lesser degree: killing capitals Plus the prerequisite drone skills will pay off on every ship with a drone bay. ^^ This - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Billy Merc ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.16 23:49:00 - [10] Edited by: Billy Merc on 16/06/2008 23:49:33 the nag is one of the most skill intensive dreads there is, as it utilizes both missiles and guns, and therefore requires Trops 5 plus Projectiles 5.......factor this into your descision EDIT: plus drones

easei AnTi. Atrocitas	Posted - 2008.06.17 00:02:00 - [11] Originally by: Xaen Carrier. Carrier has more: gang support, DPS, transport, to a lesser degree: killing capitals Where did you get that a carrier has more DPS then a dread? lol. A moros with its sentry drones does as much as 10 fighters. Besides which they do less DPS then a gank fit mega or geddon. But yes Carriers are considered more valuable to a gang unless your in a pos spamming alliance.
Killer Kelly Allied Tactical Unit Scalar Federation	Posted - 2008.06.17 00:25:00 - [12] I would say carrier. Think of it like this. You have an aircraft carrier and a guided missile cruiser loaded to the brink with highly explosive cruise missiles. Now when you have to blow up a base on land, you would want the cruiser. But... The aircraft carrier can order its planes to fight for it all while supplying a logistical support for its friendly ships. Now, if you want to blow up POSs, the dread is great, but the carrier is more of a general-purpose vessel. ___________ I Get Money in the Scalar Federation
Bloody Rabbit Jita Miners	Posted - 2008.06.17 03:42:00 - [13] Originally by: Lithalnas i know this sounds cheeky, but "if you have to ask then you are not ready to fly one" basically if you are old enough to consider 1+bil isk ships with signifigant skill point investments, you should already have an idea of what you are going to do with it. The answer should be somewhat obvious at that point. I have to say that I'm still looking at training for a dread even those I'm a carrier pilot so I do understand the OP question. But that said, the OP should sit down and have a real talk with his corp mates, if they aren't willing to play support role for him then a dread is completely out the window. The Carrier is a little better but both need support with the Dread more so. Local and Covert cloaking Idea
MineralOel Steuer OP EC	Posted - 2008.06.17 04:13:00 - [14] well to be honest, go with the dread. As more and more people will fly capitals, you will have a nice time hotdropping enemy Carriers/Motherships/Titans. The only numbers I care about are 3-2-1-launch..
Heimdal Galplen Clown Punchers. Clown Punchers Syndicate	Posted - 2008.06.17 04:47:00 - [15] Originally by: easei Where did you get that a carrier has more DPS then a dread? lol. A moros with its sentry drones does as much as 10 fighters. Besides which they do less DPS then a gank fit mega or geddon. But yes Carriers are considered more valuable to a gang unless your in a pos spamming alliance. He meant, the roles of carriers include such diverse elements as DPS, transport, etc. The comfy chair for you!
Siddy Art of War Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2008.06.17 08:33:00 - [16] snipper dread all the way!!
Artemis Rose Eleckrostatik	Posted - 2008.06.17 08:50:00 - [17] Go for a Nag, its vertically aligned and is considered the weakest of the Dreads. Play forum warrior, epic whines might even get it boosted when you can actually fly it! But, honestly, to mirror what other posters have said, if you must ask, you are not prepared for the ship. __________________________________________________ Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine. WTB Purple Nerf Bat.
Cautet Precision Engineering Insurgency	Posted - 2008.06.17 09:51:00 - [18] Originally by: Heimdal Galplen Originally by: easei Where did you get that a carrier has more DPS then a dread? lol. A moros with its sentry drones does as much as 10 fighters. Besides which they do less DPS then a gank fit mega or geddon. But yes Carriers are considered more valuable to a gang unless your in a pos spamming alliance. He meant, the roles of carriers include such diverse elements as DPS, transport, etc. The comfy chair for you! Exactly, the Carrier is a jack of all trades, although it is also master of one or two. As for Moros - rather misleading example as it's very much unlike the other dreads. As for DPS generally - against subcapitals you will always do more dps with a carrier. Even compared to a Moros. And you will have a better tank. Would have to recomend Carriers if you are unsure which way to go due to their versatility, their extreme handyness for bringing ships up, and the fact that unless you rat with it, or solo gatecamp, or use in cap v cap fight, it's not going to die. Is it overpowered? Probably, so train one up.
Gneeznow North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.06.17 10:04:00 - [19] dreddier y0
sandamar COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2008.06.17 10:38:00 - [20] Like the others. If you're ready to consider flying one of this ship you should know which one you want. I myself prefer the carrier, cuz I am living only in 0.0 and with the pos cyno generator it is so handy to jump through your region at will, plus you can bring ship with you. So when we form up far from our home, You can always bring a farming ship to make isk when there is no fight. Plus I can go buy my stuff in high sec easily, and yes 10km3 of corpo hangar+1millionm3 ship array is more than enough if you're buying your stuff :)

Kame Senin	Posted - 2008.06.17 11:17:00 - [21] 10 cubic kilometres is .... a lot.. does naglfar need boosting from ccp side then ? most skill intensive and weakest dreadnought ?
Xaen Caritas.	Posted - 2008.06.17 14:11:00 - [22] Originally by: easei Originally by: Xaen Carrier. Carrier has more: gang support, DPS, transport, to a lesser degree: killing capitals Where did you get that a carrier has more DPS then a dread? lol. A moros with its sentry drones does as much as 10 fighters. Besides which they do less DPS then a gank fit mega or geddon. But yes Carriers are considered more valuable to a gang unless your in a pos spamming alliance. More roles, slappy. - Support fixing the UI\|Suggest Jita fixes\|Compact logs
Saline Ladamire	Posted - 2008.06.17 14:18:00 - [23] Edited by: Saline Ladamire on 17/06/2008 14:19:35 I understand im not ready but i would like to start skills in the general direction(no need to train large turret 5 for the carrier), this was just to get a general idea. Edit: spelling
Seriya Spartan Industries Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2008.06.17 14:18:00 - [24] Carrier is usually the greater personal investment. Dread is usually the greater corp/alliance investment, assuming your corp/alliance already has some number of capitals. Carriers are amazing for personal use in that you can put your ships and stuff in them and just move whenever and wherever you need to. It's a bit like having a car in real life.


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