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Aoife Baelish	Posted - 2008.06.17 11:53:00 - [1] I'm about to join the milita as an outlaw, and I've been told there have been problems with new PVPers that think that being flashy means being a target, so many militian outlaws have been shot by they own faction. How should I react if that happens? Obviously first I would try to explain the situation but... if that pilot keeps agressing, what should I do? Shoot back? Will I get standings drop if I do? Did you have any experience like this? What did you do to solve it?
Xennith Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.06.17 11:58:00 - [2] if you are both in the same militia, that pilot will get a large standings hit. The smart ones will learn quickly. The dumb ones will be ejected. In all fairness however, i can see being red flashy as a bit of an issue with all the militia folk around, you may want to up your sec status. :( We come for our people
Tamia Clant New Dawn Corp New Eden Research	Posted - 2008.06.17 11:59:00 - [3] Edited by: Tamia Clant on 17/06/2008 11:59:35 Well, it's not so much of a problem as long as your militia is informed that they should not have friendly militia pilots in their overview at any time. I have yet to see it happen, and there's lots of outlaws on the gangs I fly on. (I'm in the minmatar militia) Looking for queue-free research slots? Click here!
Aoife Baelish	Posted - 2008.06.17 12:00:00 - [4] Originally by: Xennith if you are both in the same militia, that pilot will get a large standings hit. The smart ones will learn quickly. The dumb ones will be ejected. In all fairness however, i can see being red flashy as a bit of an issue with all the militia folk around, you may want to up your sec status. :( Well, I know they will be punished, but my question is what should I do. I don't care about their standings: What I don't want to happen is having to stare at how that guy is killing my ship because I can't fight back due to standings drop. Will I lose standings if I fight back against one of those guys?
Xennith Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.06.17 12:03:00 - [5] My point was that in time people will learn. I dont think you get a standings hit for defending yourself, if you do then its a bit of a bug. We come for our people
Zhula Guixgrixks Increasing Success by Lowering Expectations	Posted - 2008.06.17 12:57:00 - [6] I'm a member of Gallente militia since 2nd day of FW and I'm a flashy too. Was shoot only twice by friendly militia. Both time I was flying a frigate and survived. I think "so many militian outlaws have been shot by they own faction" is some kind of overestimated. If only 1 noob pilot is shooting you it isn't a problem at all. Problem could escalate if you fire back and his friends engage to help him. Just be a little more careful, like a real outlaw :)
Tamia Clant New Dawn Corp New Eden Research	Posted - 2008.06.17 13:25:00 - [7] Edited by: Tamia Clant on 17/06/2008 13:25:15 Originally by: Aoife Baelish Will I lose standings if I fight back against one of those guys? If you do it's most likely a bug, generally you never get any penalties for defending yourself. What's up with the limegreen typing, by the way? Looking for queue-free research slots? Click here!
Templar Dane Amarrian Retribution	Posted - 2008.06.17 13:30:00 - [8] So far I've been podded by a fellow militiaman(undocked in a shuttle to a black screen), and lost a sentinel to a friendly militia blob(I'm in amarr, blob was caldari). Been shot at TONS of times by "friendlies". One time I warped to a friendly fleet, only to find out when I got there that 90% of them were caldari... Plated trimarked abaddon, after yelling in local for a few minutes people started to notice and took their points off. Good thing most of my fellows know me by name. Also a good thing that only one in thirty caldari pilots fits a point. Oh, and on the one that podded me. After I informed everone in militia chat, several player corps marked him red and KOS. He hasn't been back on since. Ended his smack pretty quickly. I am not a templar, a fighter drone used by carriers.
Lt Angus Wicked Crew	Posted - 2008.06.17 13:32:00 - [9] Ive been shot about 10 times and one time was put into 20% hull, had to kill 2 of the guys to stop them and didnt take a penalty Shhhh, Im hunting Badgers
techzer0 IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2008.06.17 13:34:00 - [10] Originally by: Tamia Clant What's up with the limegreen typing, by the way? Green is the gallente color is it not? ------------ Originally by: CCP Mitnal It's great being a puppetmaster

Furb Killer USC Militia	Posted - 2008.06.17 13:46:00 - [11] We are french descendants, white is our color.
Stakhanov Metafarmers	Posted - 2008.06.17 13:51:00 - [12] The highest risk of being shot is when you're dropped out of fleet (or someone else is) as most overviews are set up to only hide gang. I was teamkilled by a GM on sisi that way
Redbad TSL Wolfpack	Posted - 2008.06.17 13:55:00 - [13] I haven't been shot by mistake by my brothers and sisters in the Tribal Liberation Force. And if they do ... well, lets say I'll make it swift and painless for them, I like them a lot you know. RB
Dirk Magnum Spearhead Endeavors	Posted - 2008.06.17 13:58:00 - [14] Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 17/06/2008 13:59:57 Why are outlaws allowed into militia forces anyway? Seems like being -5 or lower with CONCORD should result in an immediate ejection from an Empire paramilitary force. Just saying that logic is something to consider. Of course I'm not saying that outlaws shouldn't be able to serve in or start their own player corps and then enlist that corp in FW.
Aoife Baelish	Posted - 2008.06.17 13:59:00 - [15] Thank you for your replies, everything is clearer now. About the lime green... I'm not french, I come from a family of irish faeries
Yuleth Gix	Posted - 2008.06.17 14:02:00 - [16] Blue is the new green.
Xennith Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.06.17 14:05:00 - [17] Originally by: Dirk Magnum Why are outlaws allowed into militia forces anyway? Seems like being -5 or lower with CONCORD should result in an immediate ejection from an Empire paramilitary force. Observe the deference displayed to CONCORD by the vertical fleet. I see no problem with outlaws joining up tbh. We come for our people
techzer0 IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2008.06.17 14:06:00 - [18] Originally by: Furb Killer We are french descendants, white is our color. Well said. Not start waving the flag. ------------ Originally by: CCP Mitnal It's great being a puppetmaster
Yuleth Gix	Posted - 2008.06.17 14:14:00 - [19] Red is the new Blue PS Does anyone have a complete color list? Who'd have thunk that Limegreen was available but not lightblue?
Xennith Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.06.17 14:26:00 - [20] Edited by: Xennith on 17/06/2008 14:26:08 on some boards you can try colourbombing people by leaving an open colour tag at the end of your sig. We come for our people

Tamia Clant New Dawn Corp New Eden Research	Posted - 2008.06.17 14:39:00 - [21] Originally by: Yuleth Gix Red is the new Blue PS Does anyone have a complete color list? Who'd have thunk that Limegreen was available but not lightblue? There's always teal, though it's not really the same thing. Looking for queue-free research slots? Click here!
Acedias Atropos Asylum	Posted - 2008.06.17 14:53:00 - [22] A chum from the corp has had the chance to test, and he got no standings loss. I certainly wouldn't hesitate to defend myself.. hell I'd even offer (an unreasonably high) ransom if I felt the need . So far im finding this fw malarky great, I just wish the amarr would come out of hiding a little more often when I'm active, or that we could balance the numbers by swapping sides or something (referring to rvb a bit).
Blancanieves Increasing Success by Lowering Expectations	Posted - 2008.06.17 15:19:00 - [23] I have a related problem with the new FW: I generally tend to shoot neutrals if there is the opportunity. Currently, however, I can't really distinguish between "real" neutrals and neutrals that are, in fact, in a friendly militia other than mine (Minmatar militia that is). Right now, I can only do this by looking at their info and also at the info of their corp (Minmatar Republic does not show up as the "Alliance" under the corp, even if that corp is in the militia). In general I would try not to shoot at those fellow Minmatar pilots, but this cumbersome process to find out if a neutral is actually a friendly militia member makes this nearly impossible. What I want to say: I'd really like to have the option (just the option) to mark members of friendly militias with, let's say, light blue stars and in addition filter them from my overview. -
Xennith Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.06.17 15:36:00 - [24] add the militia column to your overview. you should then be able to identify friendly militia members. We come for our people
gpfwestie Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2008.06.17 15:52:00 - [25] Yeah you'll get shot at. We should put an 'overview settings' sticky on the FW Forum that doesn't exist.
Zaerlorth Maelkor The Maverick Navy Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.06.17 16:22:00 - [26] Originally by: Blancanieves I have a related problem with the new FW: I generally tend to shoot neutrals if there is the opportunity. Currently, however, I can't really distinguish between "real" neutrals and neutrals that are, in fact, in a friendly militia other than mine (Minmatar militia that is). Right now, I can only do this by looking at their info and also at the info of their corp (Minmatar Republic does not show up as the "Alliance" under the corp, even if that corp is in the militia). In general I would try not to shoot at those fellow Minmatar pilots, but this cumbersome process to find out if a neutral is actually a friendly militia member makes this nearly impossible. What I want to say: I'd really like to have the option (just the option) to mark members of friendly militias with, let's say, light blue stars and in addition filter them from my overview. You have this option already. Set personal standings with the minmatar militia to + whatever suits you. ================================================== I should really get a sig.
The TX Earth Inc. Zeta Tau Epsilon	Posted - 2008.06.17 16:23:00 - [27] GREEN WRITING. -------------------- [Signature] [/Signature]
Everyone Dies	Posted - 2008.06.17 16:34:00 - [28] too bad many won't read op because it's green
Fog Render Mirage Industries	Posted - 2008.06.17 16:34:00 - [29] Edited by: Fog Render on 17/06/2008 16:34:25 Originally by: Acedias A chum from the corp has had the chance to test, and he got no standings loss. I certainly wouldn't hesitate to defend myself.. hell I'd even offer (an unreasonably high) ransom if I felt the need . So far im finding this fw malarky great, I just wish the amarr would come out of hiding a little more often when I'm active, or that we could balance the numbers by swapping sides or something (referring to rvb a bit). come fly with us Gals Ace, plenty action
Acedias Atropos Asylum	Posted - 2008.07.01 11:16:00 - [30] Originally by: Fog Render Edited by: Fog Render on 17/06/2008 16:37:21 Edited by: Fog Render on 17/06/2008 16:34:25 come fly with Gallente Ace, plenty action Haha actually I've bin thinking about that, sounds like the gal are having a laugh at the moment. Nice to hear from you (without the drunken abuse), Hope space is treatin you well.



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