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Butter Dog
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Posted - 2008.06.17 19:11:00 -
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 Originally by: Ariko Gunaris
The reasons are simple:
1 Casual pvp on demand, with plenty of newbies to kill. This is especially true if one is in the Minmatar or Gallente factions and can kill the bloated Caldari faction.
2 PvP free of capital ship blobs, Titans, doomsdays, motherships and other such nonsense
3 PvP free of hidden blobs, such as from jump bridges
4 lack of bubbles, so a lower risk of podding -- you are more able to more freely use implant sets such as snakes or slaves
5 Ease of resupply in empire
This.
If you're not dependent on moon income, which I ain't, then frankly you'd have to be crazy to 'do pvp' in 0.0
Game mechanics such as bubbles, titans, jump bridges, 30 carrier hotdrops etc are all damps on FUN pvp, and FW is very veryvery fun (so far anyway, we'll see how it develops)
You forgot 'compulsory operations' and 'pos timers'. More reasons to loathe 0.0 alliance 'pvp'
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Butter Dog
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Posted - 2008.06.17 19:13:00 -
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Originally by: Goberth Ludwig
Popping noobs is fun but gets old, you can try improving your setup each new run but at the end of the day if you are primary in the blob you die.
0.0 pvp has depth in the form of strategy and organization. So no, op is wrong and also sounds abit like a "oh god 0.0" rant.
- Gob
You're just making assumptions about FW and you're wrong. Its NOT all nublets at all. FW has attracted some excellent PVP corps. If you avoid the silly blobs (easy to do) then there are some very fun and challenging small gang fights to be had, the likes of which are very rare in 0.0 space these days
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Butter Dog
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Posted - 2008.06.17 22:01:00 -
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Originally by: EzSnake
Edited by: EzSnake on 17/06/2008 21:52:05
Oh the world is falling ...the world is falling!!!!
OMG there is NO MORE PVP in 0.0 ANYWHERE!! We are all doomed
Get out of EMPIRE........ROOKIE!
Yes, and perhaps they could move to the North and join a great alliance like IRON or MM or Pure, with nothing but reds 100 jumps in every direction.
The only good thing about the northern alliances is they are a great place to stick an NPC'ing macro.
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Butter Dog
The Littlest Hobos
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Posted - 2008.06.17 23:39:00 -
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Edited by: Butter Dog on 17/06/2008 23:43:01
Thanks for posting that Cautet, I was thinking of saying something similar but was feeling too lazy.
edit: FW reminds me of the excitement of 0.0 all over again, all those years ago... no bubbles, easy to avoid the blobs, no silly sov 3 mechanics/jump bridges... I'm sorry to say that I think the more content CCP has added to 0.0, the less fun it has become
I play to have fun. Only a very few people I believe truly have fun in 0.0 - those who lead the alliances and play with the politics (if they enjoy that) yes, they will have fun... everyone else will either make isk, or roam 100 jumps desperate for some action before they get DD's / caught in dead end and jump-bridged so they log-off / come home empty handed / get chased back by a blob
I'm sorry but right now 0.0 is just DULL
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Butter Dog
The Littlest Hobos
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Posted - 2008.06.18 00:07:00 -
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Originally by: Lilan Kahn
Originally by: Keeves
because now there is a prime place to learn pvp... infact i know alot of pilots who left the uni just for FW.
and thats a bad thing moveing on from eve uni?
for eve-uni, yes, which was his point 
PS u fail
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Butter Dog
The Littlest Hobos
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Posted - 2008.06.18 12:30:00 -
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Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr
FW is a bit like counterstrike or WoW Battlegrounds, low risk PvP which you can easily hop in and out of without much consequence.
I think you have a valid point, though I disagree on the risk analysis (it certainly carries as much risk as any other type of PvP - that of losing your ship).
However, I think the OP's point, and the point of others, is that many of the most active PvPers in the game PREFER that to 0.0 alliance politics and blobbing.
The Sov mechanics and currently static nature of 0.0 powerblocs makes for a certain type of gameplay which many PvPers simply do not enjoy. The uberblobs, compulsory ops to protect someone elses moon income, the lack of enjoyable fights, capital blobs in cynojammed systems etc... the list really does go on... it just doenst appeal to that many people any more.
So if the question, as posed by the OP, is 'will FW bleed PvPers from the static 0.0 alliances' the answer is unquestionably 'yes'.
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Butter Dog
The Littlest Hobos
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Posted - 2008.06.18 21:45:00 -
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Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr
Go go little Omen Nano Issue. :)
Wonderful ship... but not quite Stabber Fleet Issue... oh god I love that puppy :)
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Butter Dog
The Littlest Hobos
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Posted - 2008.06.20 11:50:00 -
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Originally by: Angelonico
Originally by: Cautet
The people who are suggesting FW is abit too shallow for them really need to lose the following misconceptions:
A. players who like faction warfare don't understand 0.0 warfare or are not very good at it.
B. players who like faction warfare must be under the age of 16.
Pretty good troll right there.
Also so true, none of us FW people have any experience with 0.0 at all, are all prepubescent, and simply fail to grasp the mechanics of the game from any angle. Every last one of us. Stupid t1 frig noobs tbh, they'll never have any fun. What a bunch of jerks. They're the reason I bleed once a month.
I think you should have read his post more carefully before responding 
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Butter Dog
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Posted - 2008.06.22 11:38:00 -
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Edited by: Butter Dog on 22/06/2008 11:46:31
Originally by: Lilan Kahn
Originally by: Hebril Amolebin
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Other than dysporo moons, where is there any more money in 0.0 than there is in high sec? Also, when did pvp have anything to do with making money?
it is simple mate moon reactions,the high value rats and oficers the exploration,this is what give you opportunity ot make money fast,and when you have the money you can play with the expensive toys in pvp and have fun.
the interesting thing is that low sec exploration gives some of the most sought after items so i dont realy think you have that big a point
There is also the issue of finding any decent PvP in 0.0 alliance sov space.
To be honest, the way to do it is pretty simple...
1: Insert alt into major powerbloc, run NPC'ing macro (hostile avoidance add-on not required if in a Northern Alliance)
2: Insert PvP main into FW and actually have "fun"
Or if you are not depending on NPC'ing etc for your income (ie you own T2 BPO's etc) you can bypass the whole POS grinding/lagblob/compulsory op b*ll**** and just enjoy yourself playing this little spaceship computer game.
edit: I would also agree with what most people above are saying - there is no 'added risk' in 0.0 PvP and no 'added reward'... the risk is the same (losing your ship) and the rewards are the same, if not greater in Empire space for the average member due to the reasons outlined above... plus you're not ordered to wake up at 4am on a working day to shoot a pos in order to satisfy someones ego and claim a little bit of internet space... maybe we'll all get bored of FW soon, but I doubt it will be *that* soon
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