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Hrett
Quantum Cats Syndicate Villore Accords
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Posted - 2012.03.17 02:47:00 -
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Well, I don't have the playtime most folk do, but in my limited 2-ish hour USTZ window, both sides blob. Though Blob is a relative term, as sometimes blob is 4 people, and others it's 14...
Regardless, we also fight equal numbers, or try to. We jump in equal or lesser numbers into a hostile rat plex, and the squids will run. That's not true all of the time (it should be noted that there are a number of guys, Damar included, that will stick around and fight even when outnumbered). The Sniper Corms and Arty Ruppy plex gangs that you guys have fielded are somewhat effective, but we've leeroyed enough into them that they just guarantee non-fights now.
I don't fault you guys for your tactics - some folks want fights, and some folks want to win the RP war. Most Gallente are the former.
Let's just cross our fingers and hope that Inferno cobbles them both together a bit better. |

Cromwell Savage
The Rock Hard Roosters Villore Accords
35
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Posted - 2012.03.17 03:23:00 -
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Flyinghotpocket wrote:Cromwell Savage wrote:
LOL!
Okay... The only leeeeroy'n I've seen of you guys is a select few pilots and you quadriple boxing - how and why you even do that amazes me lol.
Man up? Hahaha. I like "good fights", even agreed to 1v1's on occasion, as much as anyone else - but I'll be damned if I'm gonna tell someone they can't come - not that I FC.... I will tell guys to hang back...but never to go away. It's not our fault if you can't get the numbers.
Again the prescription for cahones is needed if you dont have the guts to tell a few of your members to not fight, when you KNOW we cant get the numbers.
I don't give a rats bottom if you can't get the numbers. That's your problem, not mine. After all, it's called Faction Warfare....not Fair Warfare.
While "gf's" are more fun...I'm not gonna pass on (nor deny someone else) an opportunity to kill WT's.
If you guys spent half as much effort on getting your people to undock and fight as you do placing the blame on us, we probably wouldn't be having this "discussion" - lol.
But regardless...as I said before...the renewed activity is good. |

Flyinghotpocket
Amarrian Retribution Amarr 7th Fleet
44
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Posted - 2012.03.17 03:33:00 -
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Cromwell Savage wrote:
I don't give a rats bottom if you can't get the numbers. That's your problem, not mine. After all, it's called Faction Warfare....not Fair Warfare.
While "gf's" are more fun...I'm not gonna pass on (nor deny someone else) an opportunity to kill WT's.
keep trying justify how you dont have the nuts to be a real leader. or someone who is known for gf's instead you wanna be known as a **** talker and a blober.
Cromwell Savage wrote: If you guys spent half as much effort on getting your people to undock and fight as you do placing the blame on us, we probably wouldn't be having this "discussion" - lol.
1 if you even undocked let alone showed your face around here instead of forum warrioring we could be fighting. 2 Everybody who flys with me undocks and fights even when you are blobing your faces off. That is how we took agoze. by fighting relentlessly.
awaiting more derp |

Cromwell Savage
The Rock Hard Roosters Villore Accords
35
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Posted - 2012.03.17 03:40:00 -
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LOL....think you've already exceeded the derp limit.
07 |

Mutnin
SQUIDS.
118
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Posted - 2012.03.17 10:24:00 -
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Cromwell Savage wrote:If you guys (squids) fought like you did for Agoze on a REGULAR basis.....you wouldn't have to hump buttons to feel like you're "winning".
Most (not all) Gall's plex for two main reasons.....1) because the squids care about it more than we do (as a whole) and anything to aggrevate the squids is a win and 2) for fights.
Truth of the matter, having systems means absolutely nothing except here in the forums. When you guys were bringing out the dessie fleets and we had regular fights nightly...that was the most worthwhile plexing we've ever had. If you noticed...once that died off....so did most of our desire to "plex". Would I like to have all system remain Gallente? Of course, but not enough that Eve turns into a fulltime "job" of button humping. I'll do what I can, when I can for the reasons listed above, but damn if I will let it run my Eve life - lol.
You guys can keep crying about the typical blob excuses and such all you want. I've lost track of how many times I've seen Caldari gank/fight some Gal's with a superior force only to run and dock and cry "BROB!!!!" the moment a comperable counter force arrives. I've even seen your chat after fights in which I have personaly fought in out-numbered and out-shipped and seen complaints of us still "over doing" it - LOL. It's almost as if you guys are so predisposed to cry "blob" that you don't know any other way to explain a loss.
True blobbing happens on both sides, all sides, all the time. Instead of constantly crying about us actually arriving in force to a call for help, how about you guys unbork your coordination and do the same in return? Oh wait...that would require effort...
Regardless...still good to see you guys active. If losing systems means fights like Agoze...then I'm all for it. Anything to get you guys out and about in the USTZ works for me.
No offense man but you know that is a load of BS.. 
I dunno maybe you guys are just so used to doing it, that it seems OK or normal, but I've seen time and time again that when Caldari show up with frigs & dessies you guys show up with cruisers half of them be faction or T2. If we show up with T1 cruisers half your gang is faction/T2 cruisers & other half is BC's.
It's like this all the time, I'd sure love to be around when Gallette stay around to fight while outnumbered because typically those times only happen when you are forced into by getting baited or trapped. 
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Mutnin
SQUIDS.
118
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Posted - 2012.03.17 10:30:00 -
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Hrett wrote:Well, I don't have the playtime most folk do, but in my limited 2-ish hour USTZ window, both sides blob. Though Blob is a relative term, as sometimes blob is 4 people, and others it's 14...
Regardless, we also fight equal numbers, or try to. We jump in equal or lesser numbers into a hostile rat plex, and the squids will run. That's not true all of the time (it should be noted that there are a number of guys, Damar included, that will stick around and fight even when outnumbered). The Sniper Corms and Arty Ruppy plex gangs that you guys have fielded are somewhat effective, but we've leeroyed enough into them that they just guarantee non-fights now.
I don't fault you guys for your tactics - some folks want fights, and some folks want to win the RP war. Most Gallente are the former.
Let's just cross our fingers and hope that Inferno cobbles them both together a bit better.
You do understand that 99% of the time I'm around I've already scouted your "equal" numbers. Please don't assume that we don't already know that the Drake, Thorax & Vexor sitting in the plex or on the gate don't have 8 or 9 guys in the next system ready to jump in at a beck & call.
If there is one thing I'm good at it's scouting and knowing what I'm about to fight or run from. Also I don't just scout with my other alt that's in Caldari.. 
Cromwell Savage wrote:Flyinghotpocket wrote:Cromwell Savage wrote:
LOL!
Okay... The only leeeeroy'n I've seen of you guys is a select few pilots and you quadriple boxing - how and why you even do that amazes me lol.
Man up? Hahaha. I like "good fights", even agreed to 1v1's on occasion, as much as anyone else - but I'll be damned if I'm gonna tell someone they can't come - not that I FC.... I will tell guys to hang back...but never to go away. It's not our fault if you can't get the numbers.
Again the prescription for cahones is needed if you dont have the guts to tell a few of your members to not fight, when you KNOW we cant get the numbers. I don't give a rats bottom if you can't get the numbers. That's your problem, not mine. After all, it's called Faction Warfare....not Fair Warfare. While "gf's" are more fun...I'm not gonna pass on (nor deny someone else) an opportunity to kill WT's. If you guys spent half as much effort on getting your people to undock and fight as you do placing the blame on us, we probably wouldn't be having this "discussion" - lol. But regardless...as I said before...the renewed activity is good.
So then why don't you Gallente entertain us when you aren't in your prime time? You expect us to feed your blobs, yet you don't seem to think you should need to return the favor. Seems fair right? |

Cromwell Savage
The Rock Hard Roosters Villore Accords
35
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Posted - 2012.03.17 14:38:00 -
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LOL...
Keep playing how you are and blaming us... It's the cycle of the Cal/Gal front 
There are still plenty of targets to shoot when you guys are not around. My game won't change.
Oh...and concerning "scouts".... neither do I ... 
07 |

Cromwell Savage
The Rock Hard Roosters Villore Accords
35
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Posted - 2012.03.17 14:43:00 -
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Cromwell Savage wrote:Oh...and concerning "scouts".... neither do I ... 
Oh..I mispoke, somewhat concerning "caldari" alts...mine ARE in the Caldari Militia...and may or may not have actually flown with some/most of you already....
Not that has mattered to this point.....haha. |

X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate Villore Accords
143
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Posted - 2012.03.18 13:18:00 -
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12 systems to 7. Scoreboard baby! Please post next update when you're actually ahead. 
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Mutnin
SQUIDS.
120
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Posted - 2012.03.18 13:37:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:12 systems to 7. Scoreboard baby! Please post next update when you're actually ahead. 
You guys haven't captured a new Caldari system in a month. Meanwhile Caldari have captured all 7 of the currently held Gallentte system just this month. Added to this Caldari has recaptured multiple of it's own systems that were held by Gallentte over the last 2 months.
Your captures were done when Caldari Militia was inactive and not fighting back. Caldari's captures have come at a time the Militia is still rebuilding and almost constantly out shipped when fighting. Even still you haven't been able to stop the captures of your systems no matter how many alts you guys try to use to AFK plexes.
Counting down til "we didn't want those systems anyway" or "plexing is boring" excuses start showing up.  |

X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate Villore Accords
143
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Posted - 2012.03.18 14:00:00 -
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Mutnin wrote:X Gallentius wrote:12 systems to 7. Scoreboard baby! Please post next update when you're actually ahead.  words While I admire your determination to make people think you're ahead, you're not.  |

Tanaka Sekigahara
United Space Marine Corp
42
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Posted - 2012.03.18 18:16:00 -
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Princess Nexxala wrote:Pynasikan? Really bro?  In other news SB gangs are terribad in low sec, especially when your horrible falcon pilot jams everything before it can aggress. Pro tip...let them engage or they will just jump through the gate. I applaud the attempt at doing something different...but damn that's just idiotic. Also skill up a bit, that gang should of been able to 3 volley my **** tanked drake.....took 6-7 before I had to jump. Grats on the system captures, we just don't have the numbers willing to plex in the EUTZ that you guys do atm.
Cool story, bro
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Tanaka Sekigahara
United Space Marine Corp
42
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Posted - 2012.03.18 18:19:00 -
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BolsterBomb wrote:marketjacker wrote:15 man sb gang vs 6 man bc gang = as many sb's dead that stick around long enough to get pointed and die. hence why your type wouldn't be allowed in our gang. People that say SBs are ineffective in lowsec have no clue what they are doing. You are correct though if one of our SBs die its because he wasnt paying attention to orders. Confirming above, personally having 500 Kills in an SB in FW . Nice to see them being used again.
120 K preset bookmark from SB warpin as a warpin for support rooks and Nagas would also twist their nipples in Knots. Just sayin...
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Tanaka Sekigahara
United Space Marine Corp
42
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Posted - 2012.03.18 18:21:00 -
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Gallactica wrote:What's a Caldari? Thought they were extinct........ As we don't see so much of them.
Camofloge, dude. |

Tanaka Sekigahara
United Space Marine Corp
42
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Posted - 2012.03.18 18:24:00 -
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Andre Vauban wrote:Mutnin wrote:Tekitha wrote:Gallactica wrote:What's a Caldari? Thought they were extinct........ As we don't see so much of them. theyre those guys running plex's and bashing bunkers until you enter local, then they all seem to disappear into the night. Oh and theyre also winning the war, again. yay for the state! Please tell me where the Gallente are hiding these days, Nenn was completely empty last few time we passed through. .. Everytime we took out a gang last week there wasn't a Gallente to be found in space. Spent the week shooting at bunkers and not a single Gal bothered to defend, so we started ganking Mackinaw's in Gallente High sec instead. At least we can count on bots undocking..  Yes, we did not defend the bunker when you took it. Agoze was vulnerable for about 3 solid days though. Let's look at what times you took your systems: Agoze 10:08 Brarel 21:08 Annancale 10:41 Intaki 16:38 Not a single bunker taken during US primetime and a single one during EU prime time. The rest were all taken when everybody in Europe/US is at work/school/sleeping. Looking at the above tells me the caldari have a dominant AU timezone. Looks like us Gallente have to recruit some more New Zealanders and Australians.
Cool, then thats the way to do it.TY for confirming effectiveness of operational template.
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Taoist Dragon
Night Bandits
0
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Posted - 2012.03.18 22:45:00 -
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As a FW noob.......about half a month play time in FW.. and probably returning for the fun :)
I'd like to make an observation
I'm in the AU TZ (8am - 14pm eve time) and it's usually pretty quiet across the whole of eve at that time. I found that by doing plex's in my 'downtime' i actually got a fair few fights out of it. most weren't too blobby or anything. The plex/occupancy mechanic has no in game effect really however it goes give less skilled/experienced pilots to opportunity to get fights. And quite often small fleets 4-5 pilots were the order of the day.
I have found it altogether less random than pirate roaming around LS.
on a side note around running away.......often if we were jumped while capping a plex we would immediately jump out to safes. this was to ensure we were repped etc and got coordinated then jump straight back in with whatever we were flying at the time.
Sometimes this would get us a bit of smack about being cowards etc but generaly got us a 'gf' when we returned and engaged.
the jump out & back tactic wasn't to try and 'blob' the WT's more so we could figure out what we wanted to do as we were all pretty inexperienced and swapping from 'plexing' mode to small fleet pvp mode doesn't automatically happen for us (I will most certainly be working on this skill though)
My 2 isk......not sure if it actully adds anything......just haven't found anything I feel like posting on.
Cheers |

Vordak Kallager
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
163
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Posted - 2012.03.18 22:57:00 -
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Taoist Dragon wrote:As a FW noob.......about half a month play time in FW.. and probably returning for the fun :)
I'd like to make an observation
I'm in the AU TZ (8am - 14pm eve time) and it's usually pretty quiet across the whole of eve at that time. I found that by doing plex's in my 'downtime' i actually got a fair few fights out of it. most weren't too blobby or anything. The plex/occupancy mechanic has no in game effect really however it goes give less skilled/experienced pilots to opportunity to get fights. And quite often small fleets 4-5 pilots were the order of the day.
I have found it altogether less random than pirate roaming around LS.
on a side note around running away.......often if we were jumped while capping a plex we would immediately jump out to safes. this was to ensure we were repped etc and got coordinated then jump straight back in with whatever we were flying at the time.
Sometimes this would get us a bit of smack about being cowards etc but generaly got us a 'gf' when we returned and engaged.
the jump out & back tactic wasn't to try and 'blob' the WT's more so we could figure out what we wanted to do as we were all pretty inexperienced and swapping from 'plexing' mode to small fleet pvp mode doesn't automatically happen for us (I will most certainly be working on this skill though)
My 2 isk......not sure if it actully adds anything......just haven't found anything I feel like posting on.
Cheers
Good attitude, hope FW works out for you mate.  Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM7 |

BolsterBomb
Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
22
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Posted - 2012.03.19 15:23:00 -
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Crom the caldari have been a bit quite on the dessy fleets due just to so much pvp in the last month. They will return again.
As far as blob, it is a blob just admit it. The only time Caldari gets a blob is if we manage to break off part of your blob. The other night I was fcing a fleet of 7 mixed cruisers and bcs.
What happend slapd rolls in with about 13 t3 bcs, strategic cruisers etc.
You are not going to get FCs to simply leroy into something like this when we know we wont stand a chance.
I flew with Gallente for a long time. Its simply. Everyone sits in station intel comes in and everyone undocks. No one roams. Heck we were roaming for a good 2 hours the past two nights and nothing was there until we ran into the Slapd blob.
WE FORCE you to plex so we can actually get fights. And stop complaining or making excuses that "plexes" dont matter. They are an invaluable piece of what makes FW FW.
You may complain about it now, but once CCP makes the FW change you will be singing a new tune.
The thing with Agoze is you guys had access to insta reships immediately. I was there watching cloaked up (RL crap) the whole time. The only reason Caldari won was because they refused to give up. I know a couple pilots that lost almost a bil in ships trying to take that system. Do you realy think we are going to want to do that every week?
Gals blob. No one roams. When I was gal I would dilerbertly go out in small "killablke" ships to get fights. When Galls roll you do it with loki boosters and all other sorts of crap.
If you are so worried about losing your ship fly something else.
As for me I am in it for the GF and dont care what I lose as long as I get a GF Lt. Colonel of The Caldari State
Traitor and Ex Luminaire General of The Gallente Federation |

Super Chair
Project Cerberus Caldari State Capturing
170
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Posted - 2012.03.19 16:10:00 -
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BolsterBomb wrote:
The thing with Agoze is you guys had access to insta reships immediately. I was there watching cloaked up (RL crap) the whole time. The only reason Caldari won was because they refused to give up. I know a couple pilots that lost almost a bil in ships trying to take that system.
The super chair derp was strong that night 
In the end though, the gallente fielded a proper BS fleet w/ logi support. The caldari did not. While the caldari did have logi it was still a "kitchen sink" fleet with people in whatever they wanted, everything from bombers, to cruisers, to some BS. It wasn't because the gallente brought something like 2:1 odds, the caldari just didn't have a proper fleet to take on what was fielded.
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Damar Rocarion
Nasranite Watch Caldari State Capturing
145
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Posted - 2012.03.19 17:08:00 -
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Super Chair wrote:the caldari just didn't have a proper fleet to take on what was fielded.
Admit it. You answered to this thread only so you could post that link 
Anyway, I think we are back to usual "not much happens". Lines are stabilised, forums are ripe with badmouthing and Black Onyx Society weirdo has resubbed to game with his 7 dual-stabbard atron alts to defense plex for gallente side (and apparently in his opinion, I should get a life). Apparently we were also failing when we stopped decontesting a system for a while to kill a billion isk tengu this morning  |

Andre Vauban
Quantum Cats Syndicate Villore Accords
6
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Posted - 2012.03.19 17:52:00 -
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I got a good laugh from that. Thanks SC! |

Princess Nexxala
The Rock Hard Roosters Villore Accords
28
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Posted - 2012.03.19 19:28:00 -
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And the way you complain we stereotype you...you do the same to us. Many of us roam , solo even, and without boosters...always looking for a good fight. I could go on and on about how you all refuse to fight me unless you have 5:1 advantage. It goes both ways and TBH quit comparing us to SLAPD...we don't even share coms with them. So if they run you off with "silly never going to get a fight" fleet comps or are running with pies don't direct it at my guys . Thanks.
BolsterBomb wrote: Gals blob. No one roams. When I was gal I would dilerbertly go out in small "killablke" ships to get fights. When Galls roll you do it with loki boosters and all other sorts of crap.
If you are so worried about losing your ship fly something else.
Is sexy time? |

Princess Nexxala
The Rock Hard Roosters Villore Accords
28
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Posted - 2012.03.19 19:32:00 -
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Thanks! I thought so to
Tanaka Sekigahara wrote:
Cool story, bro
Is sexy time? |

Vordak Kallager
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
169
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Posted - 2012.03.19 22:41:00 -
[54] - Quote
Princess Nexxala wrote:Thanks! I thought so to  Tanaka Sekigahara wrote:
Cool story, bro
Why do you put their quote at the bottom of your post, it is weird.  Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM7 |

Pulgotas Shadow
Paradise Lost Army
0
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Posted - 2012.03.19 23:59:00 -
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BolsterBomb wrote:
I flew with Gallente for a long time. Its simply. Everyone sits in station intel comes in and everyone undocks. No one roams. Heck we were roaming for a good 2 hours the past two nights and nothing was there until we ran into the Slapd blob.
Wrong. There were plenty of roams when you were in Gal Mil (there's plenty now too) you just weren't invited and for good reason. |

Pulgy
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
52
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Posted - 2012.03.20 00:05:00 -
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Vordak Kallager wrote:Princess Nexxala wrote:Thanks! I thought so to  Tanaka Sekigahara wrote:
Cool story, bro
Why do you put their quote at the bottom of your post, it is weird. 
Seriously **** Nexx. No range? No problem!Join the Church of the Holy BlasterGäó . A Hybrid religion. |

Super Chair
Project Cerberus Caldari State Capturing
171
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Posted - 2012.03.20 03:29:00 -
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Damar Rocarion wrote:Super Chair wrote:the caldari just didn't have a proper fleet to take on what was fielded. Admit it. You answered to this thread only so you could post that link 
I'm caught that link had to be shared. |

Lock out
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
4
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Posted - 2012.03.20 04:15:00 -
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Sry, we were a bit busy fighting PL and Raiden, but please keep me updated, who's capturing what and how many brave cormorants were lost in the fight to capture it? Also anymore epic Talos kills ? Hope you frapsed that btw. |

Cat Casidy
Percussive Diplomacy PERCUSSIVE PIZZA TIME DIPLOMACY
24
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Posted - 2012.03.20 05:45:00 -
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hang on...Bolster are you really under the impression that we brought that fleet out for you? You need to start advertising your fleets on the forums again so we know when to ship down ahead of time. |

Corwin Broadside
Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
1
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Posted - 2012.03.20 08:55:00 -
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Super Chair wrote:BolsterBomb wrote:
The thing with Agoze is you guys had access to insta reships immediately. I was there watching cloaked up (RL crap) the whole time. The only reason Caldari won was because they refused to give up. I know a couple pilots that lost almost a bil in ships trying to take that system.
The super chair derp was strong that night  In the end though, the gallente fielded a proper BS fleet w/ logi support. The caldari did not. While the caldari did have logi it was still a "kitchen sink" fleet with people in whatever they wanted, everything from bombers, to cruisers, to some BS. It wasn't because the gallente brought something like 2:1 odds, the caldari just didn't have a proper fleet to take on what was fielded.
But the Kitchen sink is strong with caldari. Everyone grab a ship with guns /o\. |
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