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Zachary Seahawk
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Posted - 2008.06.18 12:29:00 -
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Here is the situation:
I was one of the founding members of a corporation. We got war declared over something that happened a long time ago in real life. My in real life friends ex boyfriend decided that since my corporation was allying with her that it was a nifty idea to war declare us, since we had little in the way of defense (my friends corp is well established and well defended by alliances, we had nothing like that in place as we were a small manufacturing and mining concern). Today my CEO got podkilled mining in a high security section of space (in an Iteron), which in a war is perfectly acceptable, so I've been told. Keep in mind we had nothing to do with my friends ex, outside of meeting him once or twice at parties. My CEO did exchange heated words with the other CEO in chat because he did call us "useless noobs" amongst other rude things. I'll admit getting into a flame contest with the other CEO was not mature however I don't think it affected the war decleration one way or the other.
We have since decided to merge with another corporation for protection and the safety of our assets and our characters. We were a three person corporation that focused primarily on matrial aquistion and manufacture and was in no place to mount a defense against a well established player. Granted his corporation has only one active member (himself) but he has a lot bigger guns than we do. He has four years of established play, all of our corp members have a little over two months of play.
What I am wondering, is should real life conflicts be reflected in Eve? Do I have a recourse in reporting him? Declaring war on us did nothing but cost the other CEO money. This war was not mutual by any means. All of the members of my corp expressed that we did not want to participate in a war and were willing to negotiate a surrender before agression even started. The warring CEO now has expressed that since he has podkilled my CEO, he will camp in systems where myself and the other corp member are located and podkill us until we quit playing Eve or our charachters are completely destroyed no matter how much money it costs. I have a feeling that even closing the corporation entirely would not be enough. He would suicide kill all of us unless we joined some other corporation for protection. Our CEO did make some cutting remarks (wouldn't you be upset over getting podkilled?), and of course the other CEO said he would report all of us for harassment and get us banned etc. I don't want to risk retobution and possible account problems because of this issue. Any opnions on this whole situation are welcome as well as any ones experiences in dealing with this particular problem. I'd feel a bit better knowing that I wasn't alone lol.
Thank you all for your replies.
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Louis deGuerre
Federation Zone Operations Command
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Posted - 2008.06.18 12:38:00 -
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Edited by: Louis deGuerre on 18/06/2008 12:43:17
File a petition for greaving, expressive personal harassement which is not allowed by the EULA.
And, I really mean this, WTF    ?
That all aside, being grieved (for non-personal reasons) is an normal and allowed activity in EVE. Think of it as the mob coming to collect protection money.
You have various ways to respond to that.
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Frenetick
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Posted - 2008.06.18 12:47:00 -
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My opinion is that when the boundries between online or game life start to blur into RL or vice-versa, it's time to turn off the PC, take a break and enjoy some fresh air. Life is too short, your situation is too complicated for an outsider to fully appreciate and anyone who's dedicated their life to harrassing an ingame character is going to be too twisted to do anything about.
A think you should all log off and get some perspective.
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Zachary Seahawk
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Posted - 2008.06.18 13:01:00 -
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 Originally by: Frenetick
My opinion is that when the boundries between online or game life start to blur into RL or vice-versa, it's time to turn off the PC, take a break and enjoy some fresh air. Life is too short, your situation is too complicated for an outsider to fully appreciate and anyone who's dedicated their life to harrassing an ingame character is going to be too twisted to do anything about.
A think you should all log off and get some perspective.
Honestly I have to agree with you. Hence why I'm pretty much moving on...and waiting for the guy to do something foolish or just go away. And why Im not going off and cancelling my subcription and killing off my char lol. Aren't games supposed to be fun?
I am glad I keep an updated clone though...just in case 
Exes yeesh. I'm glad I'm married 
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Stela'Artois
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.06.18 13:01:00 -
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Just send the guy an Evemail simply stating "Wow...I see why (insert ex-girlfriends name here) dumped you."
As far as protection you do have a few options.
1. Move. Eve is a big place and only being three of you yall are pretty mobile. Just pick a spot on the far side of another empire and move on out. Yes, he can track you, and yes he can follow you. But this may eventually wear him out and annoy him. You will end up on the winning side because while he just wasted time chasing an industrial corp around space, you were learning about markets in different regions. Use that to your advantage.
2. Fight back! There are three of you against one of him! Who cares about the "size of his guns"...fit out three frigs with Ewar and rock his world! Get a griffon with ECM mods (you may even be able to use racials since you may know exactly which ship he flies), and two attack frigs (depending on your race...kestral, rifter, punisher) and go to town! No matter how big his guns are, if he cant target, he cant shoot. Also...even if all three of you die in bloody explosions, you may be out 2-5 million max...if he dies, then he is probably going to be out far more. In the end...you learn to fight/defend yourself, and he, well looks like a tool.
3. The three of you can look to find a larger corp to join. Don't do this >just< for protection, but also to further your goals in the game. If you like mining, I could recommend an awesome mining corp.
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Estel Arador
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Posted - 2008.06.18 13:11:00 -
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There's nothing wrong with what the other player has done to you. If he wants to declare war on you for any reason or even no reason at all, he can. It's up to you to adapt (see post above).
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Aiden Bismuth
Die Boeremag
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Posted - 2008.06.18 13:19:00 -
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Geez, your friend's ex is quite a plonker. It seems as if he has lost the ability to discern fact from fiction. I also have to say: WTF?
Anyway, I also have a good mining corp to recommend! 
The corps in our system have a defensive system in place, and they would LOVE to meet your friend's ex if he wants to cause trouble here. 
AB
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Zachary Seahawk
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Posted - 2008.06.18 13:48:00 -
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Originally by: Stela'Artois
Just send the guy an Evemail simply stating "Wow...I see why (insert ex-girlfriends name here) dumped you."
As far as protection you do have a few options.
1. Move. Eve is a big place and only being three of you yall are pretty mobile. Just pick a spot on the far side of another empire and move on out. Yes, he can track you, and yes he can follow you. But this may eventually wear him out and annoy him. You will end up on the winning side because while he just wasted time chasing an industrial corp around space, you were learning about markets in different regions. Use that to your advantage.
2. Fight back! There are three of you against one of him! Who cares about the "size of his guns"...fit out three frigs with Ewar and rock his world! Get a griffon with ECM mods (you may even be able to use racials since you may know exactly which ship he flies), and two attack frigs (depending on your race...kestral, rifter, punisher) and go to town! No matter how big his guns are, if he cant target, he cant shoot. Also...even if all three of you die in bloody explosions, you may be out 2-5 million max...if he dies, then he is probably going to be out far more. In the end...you learn to fight/defend yourself, and he, well looks like a tool.
3. The three of you can look to find a larger corp to join. Don't do this >just< for protection, but also to further your goals in the game. If you like mining, I could recommend an awesome mining corp.
Our merger/alliance was in the works anyhow...this just sped the process up lol. As for combat, I think a 3 (or more heh) on one fight would be a jolly good time, especially with frigs. We build frigs primarily so losing a few isn't too big of a deal.
Now just to get everyone online all at once lol
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Stela'Artois
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.06.18 13:55:00 -
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Thats the spirit!
Sometimes what irritates pirates/greifers/pvp'ers more than anything is targets acting like sissies.
Just because this guy is doing it for personal RL reasons, doesnt mean the next guy along isnt going to do it because they like to fight. If you repeatedly give them at least some resistance most often you gain their respect and they move on, or better yet, become an ally. Everyone wants wingmen that are willing to undock and go weapons hot no matter the odds.
What noone wants is yet another group of players that dock up and go dormant for days at a time just because of a little wardec or some pewpew action.
So go! Give em 'ell! If I werent doing this whole FW thing and having a blast Id come join ya!
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Zachary Seahawk
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Posted - 2008.06.18 13:55:00 -
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Originally by: Aiden Bismuth
Geez, your friend's ex is quite a plonker. It seems as if he has lost the ability to discern fact from fiction. I also have to say: WTF?
Anyway, I also have a good mining corp to recommend!
The corps in our system have a defensive system in place, and they would LOVE to meet your friend's ex if he wants to cause trouble here.
AB
LOL I might take you up on floating over to your space, just to see if he will follow. I was sure there isn't anything "officially" I could do, nor was I expecting any admin help.
Thank you for your support, it is really appriciated. I'll be sending you an Evemail
Adapting and moving on, the two tennants of Eve lol.
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Zachary Seahawk
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Posted - 2008.06.18 13:58:00 -
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Originally by: Stela'Artois
Thats the spirit!
Sometimes what irritates pirates/greifers/pvp'ers more than anything is targets acting like sissies.
Just because this guy is doing it for personal RL reasons, doesnt mean the next guy along isnt going to do it because they like to fight. If you repeatedly give them at least some resistance most often you gain their respect and they move on, or better yet, become an ally. Everyone wants wingmen that are willing to undock and go weapons hot no matter the odds.
What noone wants is yet another group of players that dock up and go dormant for days at a time just because of a little wardec or some pewpew action.
So go! Give em 'ell! If I werent doing this whole FW thing and having a blast Id come join ya!
I'm joining an FW corp on the Minmitar side (go figure), what faction are you fighting for?
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Stela'Artois
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.06.18 14:08:00 -
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Flying for the Caldari at present. Its my characters bloodline, and I enjoy the Caldari storyline.
I think you will enjoy FW, as someone who has been in alliances at war before, my experience in FW fleets has been up to par, if not better. And *shock* people actually seem willing to engage! Despite being at a disadvantage.
Though...I guess I hope not to meet you in space then...as Id be throwing a target lock your way! (At least for now)
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Tzar'rim
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Posted - 2008.06.18 14:21:00 -
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Edited by: Tzar''rim on 18/06/2008 14:23:44
nm, wrong thread
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Zachary Seahawk
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Posted - 2008.06.18 14:31:00 -
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Originally by: Stela'Artois
Flying for the Caldari at present. Its my characters bloodline, and I enjoy the Caldari storyline.
I think you will enjoy FW, as someone who has been in alliances at war before, my experience in FW fleets has been up to par, if not better. And *shock* people actually seem willing to engage! Despite being at a disadvantage.
Though...I guess I hope not to meet you in space then...as Id be throwing a target lock your way! (At least for now)
Its all in good fun. Honestly Id prefer a fun mutual space battle than a one sided insult fest any day of the week. I have no problems going into a mutual duel Its people using a carrier to blow up an Iteron with no guns that irrtate the crud out of me.
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Letouk Mernel
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Posted - 2008.06.18 14:38:00 -
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Fit Iteron with warp disruptors, webifiers, armor tank, mining laser, and energy neutralizer. Pretend to mine. Have rest of corp, fleeted up, in a neigboring system. Guy attacks, in for a nasty surprise.
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Raelec
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Posted - 2008.06.18 14:40:00 -
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Edited by: Raelec on 18/06/2008 14:41:43
Edited by: Raelec on 18/06/2008 14:41:05
Frankly, they only win if they get your goat. Wardeccing over something in RL is cheesy and probably childish, but acceptable as far as it goes. CCP is only going to look at in-games acts when considering a griefing complaints anyway, so best to just embrace the suck.
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Zachary Seahawk
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Posted - 2008.06.18 14:54:00 -
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Hitting him in game is the best course of action for sure.
I guess I have to take Tom Petty to heart...
Well I won't back down
No I won't back down
You can stand me up at the gates of hell
But I won't back down
No I'll stand my ground, won't be turned around
And I'll keep this world from draggin me down
gonna stand my ground
... and I won't back down
LOL
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Slade Trillgon
Siorai Iontach
Brotherhood of the Spider
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Posted - 2008.06.18 15:10:00 -
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Originally by: Letouk Mernel
Fit Iteron with warp disruptors, webifiers, armor tank, mining laser, and energy neutralizer. Pretend to mine. Have rest of corp, fleeted up, in a neigboring system. Guy attacks, in for a nasty surprise.
This is an excellent idea
Also if you get pinned down and can not warp out there is an easy way to not loose your pod. Once you have realized that your ship is a lost cause pick a celestial object (gate, station, asteroid belt, moon, whatever and start to spam the warp button. Once the ship is gone your pod will insta warp away and the ******** that has decked you will not have a chance to lock your pod.
Good luck with the petition, but I doubt CCP will do anything about it. I say evade him like the ****erns and take any ship and pod kills like men and soon he will give up. He wants you all to cry in local period, that is how many pilots in EVE get their Sihts and giggles.
This is actually a good lesson for you and your 3 corp mates. At least this guy has some diostorted reason to deck you. Wait till the deck comes that you have no idea who they are and have no idea why they are doing it.
Slade
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Zachary Seahawk
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Posted - 2008.06.18 15:34:00 -
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Originally by: Slade Trillgon
Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 18/06/2008 15:16:47
Originally by: Letouk Mernel
Fit Iteron with warp disruptors, webifiers, armor tank, mining laser, and energy neutralizer. Pretend to mine. Have rest of corp, fleeted up, in a neigboring system. Guy attacks, in for a nasty surprise.
This is an excellent idea EDIT: Don't Energy Neuts take a high slot?
Also if you get pinned down and can not warp out there is an easy way to not loose your pod. Once you have realized that your ship is a lost cause pick a celestial object (gate, station, asteroid belt, moon, whatever and start to spam the warp button. Once the ship is gone your pod will insta warp away and the ******** that has decked you will not have a chance to lock your pod.
Good luck with the petition, but I doubt CCP will do anything about it. I say evade him like the ****erns and take any ship and pod kills like men and soon he will give up. He wants you all to cry in local period, that is how many pilots in EVE get their Sihts and giggles.
This is actually a good lesson for you and your 3 corp mates. At least this guy has some diostorted reason to deck you. Wait till the deck comes that you have no idea who they are and have no idea why they are doing it.
Slade
Thanks for the info. I didn't know that worked (warp spamming thingy).
Yeah there is comfort in the fact that we actually DID something to irritate the guy first, albiet a distortied and weird something lol. We werent even going to bother with a petition, there isnt any reason for it really. I mean we could argue that its because of an RL issue but thats kind of hard to prove concidering we live 400 miles away now lol.
I expect him to go float out to his territory and gatecamp as per normal...or to Deck the corp we are joining up with
Either way Im not going to give him the satisfaction of whining in chat about it. And I dont mean for this to be taken as whining here, I actually am getting really good advice and I appriciate it emensely. I realize I have a LOT to learn, who better to learn it from than experienced players.
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Nareth Mordonis
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Posted - 2008.06.18 16:01:00 -
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Not sure if it was mentioned, but if it is an unfair and one sided war delcaration I have heard of something called the Yulia convention, does that apply?
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Zachary Seahawk
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Posted - 2008.06.18 16:32:00 -
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Originally by: Nareth Mordonis
Not sure if it was mentioned, but if it is an unfair and one sided war delcaration I have heard of something called the Yulia convention, does that apply?
Hrm...good question. It isnt anything I've heard of but I'm fairly new. Anyone know more about this?
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Nareth Mordonis
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Posted - 2008.06.18 16:56:00 -
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Edited by: Nareth Mordonis on 18/06/2008 17:00:43
I'm new too so most of my assumptions are probably wrong and need to be corrected, but...
My corp had another declare war on us, not a big deal since most in corp were PvPers. One of them mentioned the Yulai Convention too saying we could just get the Yulai Convention, but the other corp that declared on us probably would first. Then today we got a corp mail from Concord that the war was declared void as per the Yulai Convention.
2008.06.18 12:57
CONCORD has declared this war invalid as it breaches one or more articles in the Yulai Convention.
I was told it is in Appendix C of "The complete Eve manual".
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Letouk Mernel
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Posted - 2008.06.18 17:12:00 -
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I think some people are making fun of your newbie'ness. The Yulai Convention is the roleplay term for the war mechanic (the declaring of the war, etc.) and the way Concord police responds when neutrals are attacked. Supposedly Concord officials sat down in Yulai (it's a solar system, used to be a trade hub before Jita) and drafted up all the rules, saying that no one can just attack whenever they want, but must first declare the war with Concord before they're allowed to shoot.
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Gartel Reiman
Civis Romanus Sum
TRUST Coalition
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Posted - 2008.06.18 17:22:00 -
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Originally by: Nareth Mordonis
2008.06.18 12:57
CONCORD has declared this war invalid as it breaches one or more articles in the Yulai Convention.
To follow up on Letouk's post as he didn't explicitly cover this - you get this email when the aggressing corp decides not to (usually) or forgets to (happens occasionally) pay the wardec fees. A wardec costs a certain amount each week to keep running, and the bill is not paid on time the wardec is cancelled with the above message.
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Baka Lakadaka
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
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Posted - 2008.06.19 05:55:00 -
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If you have anything in writing (chat logs, etc.) stating that this war was declared for RL reasons, then petition it. It's a clear violation of the EULA.
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Jurgen Cartis
Interstellar Corporation of Exploration
Nex Eternus
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Posted - 2008.06.19 07:11:00 -
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Edited by: Jurgen Cartis on 19/06/2008 07:12:13
Welcome to Eve. People can war dec you for any reason at all, and you might find such a tenuous connection hard to prove.
My suggestion: Blackbird, Arbitrator, Thorax. Who cares how big his guns are if he can't lock, and can't track even if he can lock? The Thorax is just there as a generic DPS ship, replace it with whatever you care to use to break him. Griffin, Crucifier, Incursus is the Frigate version of that trio, but watch out for drones in that case.
Also, add the fellow to your buddy list if you haven't already. That way, you can track when he's online or not, and he'll show up in the bottom left corner when he logs on. Just don't get complacent, that system is a bit. . . unreliable sometimes. I've had corp members tell me that people were definitely online, when I saw red boxes next to their name. I think they were right, as I saw the guy log off later that night!
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BadKarma 4U
Phoenix Rising Industries
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Posted - 2008.06.23 13:52:00 -
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Here's another idea I didn't see, hire some mercs. I'm sure there's somebody out there who would be more than happy to roll up on this guy with 3 or 4 big nasties for a lot less then you might think.
Personally, I like the idea of the whole group stepping out and rolling him yourselves.
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Wa'roun
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2008.06.23 16:23:00 -
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The best way to stop him from harassing you would be to start over and never speak to him IRL about your character.
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Venkul Mul
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Posted - 2008.06.23 18:14:00 -
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Originally by: Raelec
Frankly, they only win if they get your goat. Wardeccing over something in RL is cheesy and probably childish, but acceptable as far as it goes. CCP is only going to look at in-games acts when considering a griefing complaints anyway, so best to just embrace the suck.
Not exactly true. CCP don't like people mixing RL hostility with in game play.
It is difficult to prove, but it he has sent mail stating that or said that in local and you can give time and location of the chat it is possible they will send a warning or a ban.
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Licius Sulla
Viziam
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Posted - 2008.06.23 18:16:00 -
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Originally by: Wa'roun
The best way to stop him from harassing you would be to start over and never speak to him IRL about your character.
I quite agree but first pod kill the little freak and then disappear into the guise of a new character. Then you can sit back and watch the little freaks head turn five shades of orange with frustration. People like the one described can be found all over the net. They donĘt have the stones to be jack in RL so they need to live out their fantasies behind the pseudo anonymity that they think the net provides for them. ItĘs always fun to pretend to play their game and then when they think they have you dancing to their tune; just leave them hanging. They hate that most of all because to them it invalidates their existence.
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