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Kirjava Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.06.18 12:53:00 - [1] I have been slowly been developing an interest in testing this OS out, and am wondering if its just hype or it genuinly is better than Windows. My laptop came with Vista and has so far done the job fine, however I'm gonna give Linux a shot. Problem - Whats the standard, vanilla linux-noob friendly version? I understand that its open source and hence has as many variations as I have hairs but what would be recommended as a general platform? Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007.
Kirjava Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.06.18 12:53:00 - [2] I have been slowly been developing an interest in testing this OS out, and am wondering if its just hype or it genuinly is better than Windows. My laptop came with Vista and has so far done the job fine, however I'm gonna give Linux a shot. Problem - Whats the standard, vanilla linux-noob friendly version? I understand that its open source and hence has as many variations as I have hairs but what would be recommended as a general platform? Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007.
Polonium 210	Posted - 2008.06.18 13:22:00 - [3] I'd recommend Debian. "lenny" builds of Debian, aka test builds. There were recently a fresh release of Debian lenny installation discs, so you won't need to manually upgrade from stable to testing. Ubuntu would be probably more user-friendly, but I prefer Debian (Ubuntu is a commercial distro based on Debian)
Daedalus DuGalle Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2008.06.18 13:27:00 - [4] I'm in the same boat. My main concern in the desktop format actually. Ubuntu uses GNome, which for a windows user is really confusing, but there's lots of info around about what it's like. Kubuntu uses KDE, which as far as I know if basically the windows thing. But I can't really find out how kubunty compares to ubuntu. The visual thingy is important because if I can find the equivalent of windows explorer in linux, I'm fairly confident I can install stuff and find my files. If I can't...then back to XP I go. I'm probably going to wait a few weeks till uni exams are over then reformat + install ubuntu. See if I can get used to it. I know from previous experienec (about 2 hours worth) I can do all the important stuff (office related), but games are a lot more fiddly. Also...do not like having to write lines which look like programming code. "sudo etcetc". Too confusing. And scary. Last note...silly DS and his college. If he was still on forums he'd be all over this by now... - What good is money if it can't inspire terror in your fellow man?
Polonium 210	Posted - 2008.06.18 13:30:00 - [5] You can easilly replace desktop manager. Or use both K and GNome. You just need to install the second one from aptitude package manager.
Polonium 210	Posted - 2008.06.18 13:32:00 - [6] Also you don't have to reformat your HDD. Install your linux on external USB HDD, and use dualboot to boot Win or Lin. It works fine, tho you'll have to type a bit, but just for the first time.
Keta Min LEGI0N F.E.A.R Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.18 13:38:00 - [7] OpenSolaris is another option...
Dmian Starline Engineering Corporation	Posted - 2008.06.18 13:59:00 - [8] Hi Kirjava and Daedalus DuGalle: My advice is to try Ubuntu. Simply put, no other distro offers the same care for ease of use and compatibility. It's completely free. A good way to try it out is to use Wubi. Wubi is a Windows installer that installs Ubuntu on your Windows machine as if it where a regular app. No need to partition your disk or do complicated configurations. You can try it out and, if you don't like it, unistall it using the Windows unistaller. That simple. Another way is to download a LiveCD. You then burn the ISO to a CD and start your machine from it. It starts a bit slow, but once loaded you can use the system as if it where installed on your machine. When you're tired of it just shut down and your machine will stay as if nothing had happened. If you happen to like Ubuntu you can run the installer from the same LiveCD itself, of install at startup. And to Daedalus: even though KDE is more similar to Windows, I find that GNOME is a bit simpler and less intimidating for a switching user. But that's only a personal opinion. Both KDE and GNOME can be used without any difference. And you can install both if you like. And you can run GNOME apps in KDE and KDE inside GNOME without any problem. The only difference is conceptual: GNOME is simpler, KDE more configurable. If you don't have complicated demands for a computer (like graphic designers like me ,) or need Windows specific software/hardware, you'll find out that it's extremely easy to use Linux today. Then, when you get used to Linux, you can try other distros, like Debian (the "mother" of Ubuntu), Fedora, Suse, etc. Most of them have a liveCD to try it out, so you don't need to install it to see if you like it. If you have any question just let me know. ---- Eve Alpha - The font of Eve - Get it here
Keta Min LEGI0N F.E.A.R Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.18 14:01:00 - [9] also OS thread lacks this
Victor Valka Kissaki Corporation	Posted - 2008.06.18 14:13:00 - [10] Originally by: Keta Min also OS thread lacks this Saved for further postings! Originally by: Roxanna Kell You are insane.
Isiskhan Gnostic Misanthropy	Posted - 2008.06.18 14:32:00 - [11] Originally by: Dmian stuff Couldn't have said it better. Go with Ubuntu (or Kubuntu - they are both actually one and the same, difference is whether Gnome or KDE is installed as default first), but I suggest you install both desktop environments (you can choose which one to use every time you login) and get a feel for which one you like best.
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.18 17:35:00 - [12] Edited by: Patch86 on 18/06/2008 17:35:02 I'll chime in on the Ubuntu fanclub; it really is one of the best beginner distros. Its designed specifically to be easy to use, making it great out of the box for someone with no Linux experience. The standard Ubuntu comes with the "Gnome" GUI (which I personally like a great deal) while it's sister build comes with KDE (probably the most popular Linux GUI). Grab a liveCD for both and see which one you like better, although if you can't be bothered then you will really be fine with either. Best of all, it's built on top of the Debian distro- an extremely flexible and highly optimised Linux distro, with a huge following of it's own. If and when you decide to get more adventurous with the nitty gritty of Linux, Debian is a great environment to hone your skills. Just grab the liveCD, and you can try it out initially without even installing it. ------ Originally by: Dark Shikari The problem with killing Jesus is he always just respawns 3 days later anyways.
ReaperOfSly Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.06.18 17:57:00 - [13] Another thumbs up from me for Ubuntu. Installed it on my laptop a few months back. Despite a few teething troubles, regarding video/music playback (which was easily fixed by asking about it on the Ubuntu forums), it works very nicely. It is just so much more slick than Windows XP. Internet download speeds are much faster when using Ubuntu, as are USB transfer speeds, CD/DVD read speeds, etc. I have no experience with other Linux distros, but Ubuntu is just... Shiny. However, I've not managed to get 3D games to work on it. It's a bit of a pain, but I've still got the Windows installation on there if I ever feel compelled to play games on it. __________________________ Quote: ...bored, skint, no charter, and a ship that looks like an explosion in a girder factory...
EnslaverOfMinmatar Yarsk Hunters DeaDSpace Coalition	Posted - 2008.06.18 18:00:00 - [14] FreeBSD, but then you'll probably need to write your own driver for the videocard lol
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.18 18:07:00 - [15] Originally by: ReaperOfSly which was easily fixed by asking about it on the Ubuntu forums Ah, how could I forget! The very most bestest part about Ubuntu is definitely the community. A more friendly and helpful forum you're never likely to find. Definitely one of it's top selling points. ------ Originally by: Dark Shikari The problem with killing Jesus is he always just respawns 3 days later anyways.
Ryysa The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.06.18 18:12:00 - [16] Edited by: Ryysa on 18/06/2008 18:12:06 Originally by: Polonium 210 Ubuntu would be probably more user-friendly, but I prefer Debian (Ubuntu is a commercial distro based on Debian) How is ubuntu "commercial" ? They provide support for it, that's what you CAN pay for. They even send you CD's for free if you like... I don't see how it qualifies as commercial... Originally by: Daedalus DuGalle The visual thingy is important because if I can find the equivalent of windows explorer in linux, I'm fairly confident I can install stuff and find my files. If I can't...then back to XP I go. Uhm, you didn't find nautilus??? You can't say that GNOME has no "explorer-like" tool. Konqueror or Nautilus - that's your choice though. Originally by: Kirjava Problem - Whats the standard, vanilla linux-noob friendly version? I understand that its open source and hence has as many variations as I have hairs but what would be recommended as a general platform? Currently, I'd say ubuntu. It babysits you through most things. EW Guide - KB Tool - My Music
armas Dark Centuri Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2008.06.18 18:12:00 - [17] Myself, I've used Fedora, SuSe and Ubuntu (plus some other less well known). I'd recommend using any of the three I just mentioned. At the moment and for the last few years, I've been using Ubuntu. The reason for this is that I've never encountered a more friendly and helpful community. It's also a distro that suffers less from the elitist ***** syndrome. Whichever you pick, have fun.
Fink Angel The Merry Men	Posted - 2008.06.18 19:02:00 - [18] I deal with Linux and other Unixes a lot, but if I had a PC with a working XP or Vista installation I wouldn't scrap it to install Linux TBH. I can boot into either XP or Ubuntu on this here PC, and spend 95% or my time in XP. Try a live distro, or dual boot it if you can repartition the machine.
Daedalus DuGalle Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2008.06.18 23:51:00 - [19] Originally by: Ryysa Originally by: Daedalus DuGalle The visual thingy is important because if I can find the equivalent of windows explorer in linux, I'm fairly confident I can install stuff and find my files. If I can't...then back to XP I go. Uhm, you didn't find nautilus??? You can't say that GNOME has no "explorer-like" tool. Konqueror or Nautilus - that's your choice though. I spent most of my 2 hours on playing the games it came bundled with. Haven't won a game of chess yet. Another question: I have 2 HDD, one for the important stuff, and one for games, movies etc. Each is 400gb, and thus far I can move the whole of one HDD to the other for backup purposes. Anyway, it is possible to install Ubuntu on one HDD, then move my stuff from the second to the first, then reformat the second HDD? I ask because the last time I actually did an install (i.e. not running it off the live CD, this was about a year ago) it asked me to reformat, and it appeared I had no choice but to reformat. Something along the lines of Ubuntu doesn't read NTFS. I lack a large enough external storage device, and no, I don't plan on burning 300gb of stuff onto DVDs! - What good is money if it can't inspire terror in your fellow man?
Dmian Starline Engineering Corporation	Posted - 2008.06.19 00:10:00 - [20] Originally by: Daedalus DuGalle Another question: I have 2 HDD, one for the important stuff, and one for games, movies etc. Each is 400gb, and thus far I can move the whole of one HDD to the other for backup purposes. Anyway, it is possible to install Ubuntu on one HDD, then move my stuff from the second to the first, then reformat the second HDD? I ask because the last time I actually did an install (i.e. not running it off the live CD, this was about a year ago) it asked me to reformat, and it appeared I had no choice but to reformat. Something along the lines of Ubuntu doesn't read NTFS. I lack a large enough external storage device, and no, I don't plan on burning 300gb of stuff onto DVDs! Hi Daedalus, Well, if my experience could be of any use, I just happen to have 2 HDDs too. I use one for Windows XP (it came with the machine) and use the 2nd with Ubuntu and other files. I can't remember when, but Ubuntu can now read and write NTFS. And you can also "teach" Windows to see the Linux partition if you want. In fact, you can use the same config and folders for Firefox and Thunderbird in both Windows & Ubuntu, which is great because if you dual boot you always have both OSes synched My recommendation would be to have it this way if you want to dual boot: Disk one: first partition NTFS for Windows & apps Second (largest) partition FAT32 for your files (move your "My documents" folder to this partition.) -Windows needs to be installed first, by the way.- Second disk: First partition ext3 or ext4 for Ubuntu OS Second (or more) partition: whatever you like. NTFS, FAT32, ext3, ext4. You can make a FAT32 partition for DVD backup (4.7 GB), create partitions for Linux (/home, etc.) Do something that fits your needs. Last partition: small partition for Linux swap (kinda like Windows virtual memory.) It must be twice your RAM, but not bigger than 2GB. When you install Ubuntu now, it offers a menu where you can manually partition the disks if you want, or let Ubuntu do it for you (it will make at least two partitions, one for "/" and the other for /swap.) So, you can pretty much do whatever you want, and it is very easy to manage your disks. ---- Eve Alpha - The font of Eve - Get it here
Daedalus DuGalle Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2008.06.19 00:22:00 - [21] Originally by: Dmian stuff Woohoo thanks. I tend to not partition my HDD since I don't see any need for it. I never notice my games/movies slowing down, so I assume my comp can find the data just fine. Just to confirm though, if I do a full install/wipe of windows with no dual booting, I can choose to only install/reformat on one HDD; it won't automatically do both? But given Ubuntu automatically partitions...what's "/" and "/swap"? - What good is money if it can't inspire terror in your fellow man?
Dmian Starline Engineering Corporation	Posted - 2008.06.19 00:53:00 - [22] Edited by: Dmian on 19/06/2008 00:56:29 Originally by: Daedalus DuGalle Woohoo thanks. I tend to not partition my HDD since I don't see any need for it. I never notice my games/movies slowing down, so I assume my comp can find the data just fine. Just to confirm though, if I do a full install/wipe of windows with no dual booting, I can choose to only install/reformat on one HDD; it won't automatically do both? But given Ubuntu automatically partitions...what's "/" and "/swap"? Yes, you can only use one disk. No need at all to use the second disk. Partitions are great to organize different kind of data. It's not the same an OS file you load every time you boot up than an MP3 you hear once a month... But for the Ubuntu install, use the automatic if you like or switch to manual to be sure (if you want to be really, really sure, just disconnect the drive you don't want Ubuntu to touch.) About Linux partitions: Windows use drive letter to identify a drive or partition (all Windows users know what C: is ) Linux, on the other side, use mounting points. The drive or partition that most people know as C: on Windows is / (or "root") on Linux. Think of it more like a directory hierarchy. You have the root directory (folder) and inside it a lot of other folders and files. You just need one folder to put everything inside or create different folders to organize everything. Linux really doesn't care if the "folder" is on the same partition as the root folder or on a different partition or disk. Under Windows you have "My documents", "Program Files", "WINDOWS", "Temp", etc. and different drive letters, depending on your partitions and volumes. Under Linux you have /, /home, /usr, /bin, /dev, /tmp, /swap, etc. Swap is a partition used like the Windows Virtual Memory, but very efficient. Here you have some interesting reading: An Introduction to Disk Partitions (Red Hat) The Linux filesystem explained Understanding Mount Point And here you have a video about the partitioning part of Ubuntu installer and the documentation about partitioning. Hope that helps. ---- Eve Alpha - The font of Eve - Get it here
Gojyu Ever Flow	Posted - 2008.06.19 01:18:00 - [23] I tried ubuntu for a while, the thing is though, it can't really do anything windows can't that's actually worth learning another os for, it's also a ***** to get working, installing drivers for some devices can be a nightmare. Plus, if you want to game, you'll need to keep your windows partition on there anyway
SoftRevolution	Posted - 2008.06.19 01:25:00 - [24] Windows Explorer is a third rate knock off of a good file manager to be fair. Any competent desktop metaphor for any operating system should have something either as good as or fancier. EVE RELATED CONTENT
Irish Whiskey Corp 1 Allstars Consortium Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.19 07:44:00 - [25] I think once you actually start messing with it you'll enjoy it much more than windows. No matter what, I think it is very important to keep 3 CD's handy: gparted live cd, a windows cd (with both your keys), cd with your chosen linux distro on it. Ubuntu is a great distro to start using if you want it working out of the box. Nothing to learn. Gentoo will teach you much about building a system and most importantly, how dependencies work. * Slackware is well known for being rock solid. This OS teaches you config files from command line. * Puppy Linux and its puplets are great for a portable (USB stick) OS, but doesnt teach you much. Fedora Core is a good stable system, from what I remember the support community isnt great. *Difficulty rating == HARD Linux is kind of like EvE in that it has highly** reccomended "rules": 1. Always know exactly how your partitions are setup. You wont lose anything you dont want to. 2. Get internet working ASAP (lots of distros get the network going before install even begins) 3. Use the support community! Forums are your friend.

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