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Posted - 2008.06.21 22:35:00 -
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I've always liked the Battlecruiser class, and have been thinking it would be a lot of fun to solo level 4s in a Commandship, since they are Battlecruisers on *****. I've been tinkering with ship fittings, and can't decide if its worth it train for CS or to just use a Raven, which I find to be boring.
Can anyone venture an opinion on how easy it would be to run L4s with a sustained tank of 450DPS (mission specific) and an offensive total dps of 750. [Sleipnir, Autocannons, Barrage, with AB running for a speed of 600 to close].
It just seems easier to fit out a raven to more than match these numbers.....am I not fully tanking into account the benefit from a smaller sig radius?
To sort of test this out I flew a hurricane in about 10 L4 missions with a Basilisk remove shield boosting me. The DPS I have on the Hurricane is around 550. Even though the effective range on the cannons is under 20km, with the afterburner I was spending most of my time rapidly trying to quene more targets since stuff died pretty fast. Its hard to gauge the needed tank though, since the Basilisk was giving me a remote tank of approx 1,500dps.
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
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Posted - 2008.06.21 22:39:00 -
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Sleipnir is good for Amarr missions because of the silly base resists, Caldari ones (with lots of KIN damage) will be harder.
If anything, fir for gank, if there are lots of cruisers and BC then the sleipnir will be faster than the raven but also burn through ammo lie crazy.
I refuse to respect religious beliefs, and i refuse to respect people who hold them. |
Creddit
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Posted - 2008.06.21 22:41:00 -
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Yeah, it would be a bullet hose, but I'm willing to pay for the extra ammo usage if it means I don't fall asleep at the keys. Lobbing cruise missiles from 80k out is like grinding mobs as a hunter in WoW, extremely methodical and boring. (Sorry for the wow reference, I know EvE considers it to be a swear word). |
AstroPhobic
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Posted - 2008.06.21 22:47:00 -
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I don't think using a sleipnir is the best idea for level 4s. The Range or DPS is pathetic (depending on the route you choose). If you do have an available logistics, I'd use an absolution or astarte. You'll be happier with the DPS they provide.
However if you really are addicted to DPS (I seem to be too  ), I'd go for an abaddon or nightmare. You'll get ~750-800 DPS at much longer ranges. A CS may be useful for the easier missions (due to velocity), however I think they're not worth as much trouble to mold into a mission ship role.
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slothe
Murky Inc.
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Posted - 2008.06.22 00:06:00 -
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raven
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Miss Rumpelstilzchen
Black Horizon Ltd
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Posted - 2008.06.22 00:09:00 -
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 Originally by: slothe
raven
jub join the mainstream .... its boring.. F1 F2 F3 zzzZZZzzZzzzZZz
get in a sleipnir ... is more fun then in a lowskillcaldari raven (3m SP and u can make lvl 4 missions.. ), and i think i have now some "friends" 
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arbalesttom
Glauxian Brothers
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Posted - 2008.06.22 00:10:00 -
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Domi >>> raven
***Sig***
Originally by: Cpt Branko
That is a JoJo, a forum troll used by Amarr whiners.
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
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Posted - 2008.06.22 06:56:00 -
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Originally by: AstroPhobic
I don't think using a sleipnir is the best idea for level 4s. The Range or DPS is pathetic (depending on the route you choose). If you do have an available logistics, I'd use an absolution or astarte. You'll be happier with the DPS they provide.
However if you really are addicted to DPS (I seem to be too ), I'd go for an abaddon or nightmare. You'll get ~750-800 DPS at much longer ranges. A CS may be useful for the easier missions (due to velocity), however I think they're not worth as much trouble to mold into a mission ship role.
I wouldnt call 700 DPS pathetic, and with an AB on it it's quite nimble.
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Leandro Salazar
The Blackguard Wolves
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Posted - 2008.06.22 07:55:00 -
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Originally by: Sokratesz
Originally by: AstroPhobic
I don't think using a sleipnir is the best idea for level 4s. The Range or DPS is pathetic (depending on the route you choose). If you do have an available logistics, I'd use an absolution or astarte. You'll be happier with the DPS they provide.
However if you really are addicted to DPS (I seem to be too ), I'd go for an abaddon or nightmare. You'll get ~750-800 DPS at much longer ranges. A CS may be useful for the easier missions (due to velocity), however I think they're not worth as much trouble to mold into a mission ship role.
I wouldnt call 700 DPS pathetic, and with an AB on it it's quite nimble.
The effective mission dps of an AC Sleip IS pathetic, as you waste way too much time approaching stuff. Since the OP does not seem to be interested in efficiency, the Sleip will be fine though. I used it in missions for a while, tried both AC and Arty config with pimp gear, found it to be epic fail concerning completion times compared to good mission ships and moved back into CNR/Abaddon (now Golem/Nightmare). It was summat fun to zip around with ACs blasting, very similar to a Machariel. But it gets old very quickly at least for me when you notice your iskies coming in at a significantly reduced rate.
And if your cruise Raven bores you so much (which is exactly what those contraptions were made for imho), maybe try a torp Raven. A lot more challenging to fit and fly, AND faster in most missions at least if you run for Amarr.
Make suicide ganking more difficult!
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DeathMan
Esokal Command
Independent Faction
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Posted - 2008.06.25 12:26:00 -
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Edited by: DeathMan on 25/06/2008 12:26:35
Missioning Sleipnir is ok. Its definatly not the cream of the crop but it does work and decently as long as its not against a huge amount of BS's.
Arti setups on the Sliep are a better fit for missioning just due to the fact AC's require such close range and taking the mid slot for really giving you a nice tank which is needed due to the lower DPS of the ship.
And yes I do use Sleipnir for missioning lvl 4's there and there if I choose to. Definatly the lower time missions since typically it deals with smaller craft that I can nail.
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AnKahn
Hunters Agency
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2008.06.25 13:05:00 -
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I really don't get the idea about the Domi being an AFK missioner. If you actually AFK (leave the room) you will come back with dead drones because they are very stupid.
You actually have to fly the thing, which with an afterburner is almost frisky compared to a Raven.
You have to take into account the formation the rats are in to minimise drone aggro. You have to be alert and 'rescue' your drones if they get in trouble.
The "get aggro, release drones and go AFK" statements are from people who don't fly drone boats because its a total myth.
You do, however, get to sit back for a second after you have properly pulled a group and have set the flight of drones up properly and sip your coffee.
I have the added fun of being Caldari with no armor compensation skills (I have the books in my hanger tho) so I have to kite the rats (sorry a sort of reference to..you know).
AnKahn
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Yakkha
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Posted - 2008.06.25 13:20:00 -
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Edited by: Yakkha on 25/06/2008 13:22:59
Originally by: Sokratesz
Originally by: AstroPhobic
I don't think using a sleipnir is the best idea for level 4s. The Range or DPS is pathetic (depending on the route you choose). If you do have an available logistics, I'd use an absolution or astarte. You'll be happier with the DPS they provide.
However if you really are addicted to DPS (I seem to be too ), I'd go for an abaddon or nightmare. You'll get ~750-800 DPS at much longer ranges. A CS may be useful for the easier missions (due to velocity), however I think they're not worth as much trouble to mold into a mission ship role.
I wouldnt call 700 DPS pathetic, and with an AB on it it's quite nimble.
AstroPhobic's statement is true, notice he said "Range OR DPS"
700 DPS is an auto-sleipnir, the range sucks for missions. You spend most of your time getting in range, even with an AB.
An Arty-sleipnir has the range but the DPS is indeed pathetic compared to a good mission battleship.
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Boz Well
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Posted - 2008.06.25 13:32:00 -
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Originally by: AnKahn
I really don't get the idea about the Domi being an AFK missioner. If you actually AFK (leave the room) you will come back with dead drones because they are very stupid.
You actually have to fly the thing, which with an afterburner is almost frisky compared to a Raven.
You have to take into account the formation the rats are in to minimise drone aggro. You have to be alert and 'rescue' your drones if they get in trouble.
The "get aggro, release drones and go AFK" statements are from people who don't fly drone boats because its a total myth.
You do, however, get to sit back for a second after you have properly pulled a group and have set the flight of drones up properly and sip your coffee.
I have the added fun of being Caldari with no armor compensation skills (I have the books in my hanger tho) so I have to kite the rats (sorry a sort of reference to..you know).
AnKahn
On a lot of missions, with a strong tank, a domi can handle pulling the entire room. Once you have 100% aggro and you're able to permatank it, then you can send out drones and afk.
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Panzer1
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Posted - 2008.06.25 16:07:00 -
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Hey I am 50 days from hopping in my Sleipnir and was going to use it for missions mainly and supporting my friends missions. So I hope this ship can hold out on most missions. |
AnKahn
Hunters Agency
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2008.06.25 16:27:00 -
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Originally by: Boz Well
Originally by: AnKahn
I really don't get the idea about the Domi being an AFK missioner. If you actually AFK (leave the room) you will come back with dead drones because they are very stupid.
You actually have to fly the thing, which with an afterburner is almost frisky compared to a Raven.
You have to take into account the formation the rats are in to minimise drone aggro. You have to be alert and 'rescue' your drones if they get in trouble.
The "get aggro, release drones and go AFK" statements are from people who don't fly drone boats because its a total myth.
You do, however, get to sit back for a second after you have properly pulled a group and have set the flight of drones up properly and sip your coffee.
I have the added fun of being Caldari with no armor compensation skills (I have the books in my hanger tho) so I have to kite the rats (sorry a sort of reference to..you know).
AnKahn
On a lot of missions, with a strong tank, a domi can handle pulling the entire room. Once you have 100% aggro and you're able to permatank it, then you can send out drones and afk.
Agreed. I'm just training a bunch of stuff and don't have armor compensation skills in the mix yet.
I'm just saying you CAN entertain yourself with a Domi if you TRY.
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Gartel Reiman
Civis Romanus Sum
TRUST Coalition
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Posted - 2008.06.25 16:51:00 -
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Originally by: AnKahn
Originally by: Boz Well
On a lot of missions, with a strong tank, a domi can handle pulling the entire room. Once you have 100% aggro and you're able to permatank it, then you can send out drones and afk.
Agreed. I'm just training a bunch of stuff and don't have armor compensation skills in the mix yet.
It's a little off-topic (completely, in fact) but armor compensation skills are completely irrelevant to mission running - or rather, they ought to be, unless you have some interesting off-the-wall ship setup that works better than the ones everyone else uses... (You should be fitting active hardeners for missions, which don't benefit from the compensation skills, in case you weren't aware of this).
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AnKahn
Hunters Agency
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2008.06.25 17:46:00 -
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Gartel,
(Double off topic,sorry)
Thanks for the heads up.
Since, let's face it, lvl 4s are kinda easy I tend to set up my Battleships for PvP and use them for their DPS not their tank. So I'm usually Omni tanking the missions I can snipe with Raven's and Domi's set up for PvP so I don't have to buy 2 ships (each).
For tanking missions I use either a passive shield tanked Drake or Myrm. The passive shield tank is the hardest tank someone at my SP lvl can do so if the mission calls for tanking, I bring a tank.
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