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Everto Trucido
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.03.13 10:51:00 -
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So, I've been in Eve on and off for a few years now. I get in, have these wonderful plans and... never quite realize them. I want to solo pvp. I did the Agony classes, read a bunch of stuff, but the thing I'm missing is: WHERE? I know no sane person is going to write: come to xx sector, plenty of newbs for you to kill. But still... what are the things to look for when trying to find a suitable sector for finding an easy kill. I simply want to roam somewhere a bit, know that I can lock and kill a target of opportunity if I find one, but every time I went out in my cloaked ship to charter unknown space, I found 0 prey. I scanned lowsec and some nullsec, but to no avail. So to summon up: how does a well-read but no practical experience pirate-ish capsuleer find a base from which to start learning the ropes of pirating?
Thank you all for the advice. |
Sutskop
PILSGESCHWADER Monkey Circus
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Posted - 2012.03.13 11:01:00 -
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I would try FW or RvB first to get some small ship action. |
Linda Soh
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.13 11:26:00 -
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You won't be pirating much in small ships, these days people are (usually) quite smart and you won't find many inattentive targets in belts or in sites other than the odd noob, and most piracy tends to lean heavily towards gatecamping these days.
Quote:I would try FW or RvB first to get some small ship action.
Great suggestion for you to take right there, if you want the small ship action, alternatively, you can try your hand at canflipping, or ask for 1v1s outside trade hubs like rens, hek, amarr, dodixie.
However, if you are dead set on -10, go look up some pirate corporations. Most of these pirate corporations are usually lowsec bearates who own mission hubs, or pure gatecampers, like the ones in Rancer. Bear in mind, you'll usually be flying battlecruiser hulls for this. |
Everto Trucido
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.03.13 11:37:00 -
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Thx for the advice! Basically I'm more into solo stuff, so I quite like the idea of being cloaked in waiting for the prey to arrive. I'm not so much into 20 vs 20 pew pew. I'm having a hard time finding a suitable spot for that (lying in wait) and I'm trying to figure out where in eve space there is a higher chance of eventually someone stepping into my spider net if you know what I mean.
How's FW? When I was in game like a year ago I had the impression it's not very developed. But it could have been the trolls I was following on the forums. That stuff any good?
What I'm trying to do is finding my niche. I want to do pvp, but (at least at the beginning) I want to do it solo and very slowly. Not just going to 0.0 and pew pew but cloaking, setting up bookmarks in a system, etc... That stuff takes time and devotion and I don't want to spend days bookmarking a system just to find out it's basically a dead end.
Thx for all the advice! |
Linda Soh
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.13 11:55:00 -
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Everto Trucido wrote:Thx for the advice! Basically I'm more into solo stuff, so I quite like the idea of being cloaked in waiting for the prey to arrive. I'm not so much into 20 vs 20 pew pew. I'm having a hard time finding a suitable spot for that (lying in wait) and I'm trying to figure out where in eve space there is a higher chance of eventually someone stepping into my spider net if you know what I mean.
How's FW? When I was in game like a year ago I had the impression it's not very developed. But it could have been the trolls I was following on the forums. That stuff any good?
What I'm trying to do is finding my niche. I want to do pvp, but (at least at the beginning) I want to do it solo and very slowly. Not just going to 0.0 and pew pew but cloaking, setting up bookmarks in a system, etc... That stuff takes time and devotion and I don't want to spend days bookmarking a system just to find out it's basically a dead end.
Thx for all the advice!
I can't comment much on FW but it is a good choice if you want to fly small and fast.
On the other hand, you sound like you might enjoy flying a recon ship like a Pilgrim. If thats the case I strongly urge you to start out with a pvp corp that does black ops. Its not recommended you attempt to fly solo right off the bat, because you can stand to learn alot, and for far cheaper, from a corp. |
Daneel Trevize
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.13 12:16:00 -
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Perhaps you should try w-space. Once you learn some basic mechanics, you'll know that peeking into a system from a highsec hole is basically100% safe for taking a look, and if the residents aren't camping it then you can sneak in and lie in wait for them to be doing anoms/PI. You'll never be hotdropped though you can be baited or caught in a 3-way. Mostly though you'll be able to gather intel on and study your chosen victims, it shouldn't be too hard to find some that are active in your prime time such that you can either attack them soon after you've entered their hole, or log off at a safe off of their pos's dscan range and strike the next day.
We used to use a corpmate's site called WormNav(http://www.wormnav.com/) to really ease indentifying system effects, statics, and for finding connecting wormhole sigs. There's also the activity chart but I think I read CCP changed the API so this may not be as reliable as it once was.
Just don't use a pilgrim vs a missile boat without a repper, and know that an AB won't get you safely through camped bubbles/out of many tackle situations, though you can neut off 1-2 people's tackle and also jump with aggression. |
WARBRO
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.13 12:33:00 -
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From my experiences in eve solo pvp is a rare thing. More often than not you will get picked off by a low sec gate camp before you actually find anyone to kill. My advice would be to join a pirate corporation and offer to be their bait ship. You will have the option to engage the solo ship and still have the luxury of having backup. You could also get a recon cruiser (like the arazu). If you get good at scanning, you should be able to catch some low sec missioners. Also wormholes are a good bet for finding solo people. |
Lady Spank
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2012.03.13 13:54:00 -
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From my experience solo PvP is a constant thing.
OP, forget about cloaking and waiting. Get in a solid fit and go roaming. Simple. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (a¦á_a¦â) |
Angelo Cossa
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.03.13 15:14:00 -
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Everto Trucido wrote:So, I've been in Eve on and off for a few years now. I get in, have these wonderful plans and... never quite realize them. I want to solo pvp. I did the Agony classes, read a bunch of stuff, but the thing I'm missing is: WHERE? I know no sane person is going to write: come to xx sector, plenty of newbs for you to kill. But still... what are the things to look for when trying to find a suitable sector for finding an easy kill. I simply want to roam somewhere a bit, know that I can lock and kill a target of opportunity if I find one, but every time I went out in my cloaked ship to charter unknown space, I found 0 prey. I scanned lowsec and some nullsec, but to no avail. So to summon up: how does a well-read but no practical experience pirate-ish capsuleer find a base from which to start learning the ropes of pirating?
Thank you all for the advice.
Well i am no pirate, but one thing i use to see if a system is "safe" or not when travelling in low sec is the eve map, you have a option to see how many people entered there in the last 30 minutes and even to see how many have died there. So get the low sec system with hight density of people and low kills (so it is not a war there, just peoplo passing by) and go kill someone ;) |
Meditril
T.R.I.A.D
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Posted - 2012.03.13 16:25:00 -
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Go to faction warefare low-sec system and start hunting mission runners or solo plexers. It should be no problem for you to find a solo fight, if you have patience, are clever and get a fleeling for what is a bait and what not. |
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Everto Trucido
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.03.13 19:45:00 -
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Damn, thank you all for all the food for brain. I guess it depends on what kind of a player you are. I was in a corp for a while, it was pleasant, but I'm more of a lone wolf. Did a month or two in 0.0, had some pretty nice fleet fights (newb that I am, was flying tackle, of course). Then I got into smaller pvp corp, was supposed to learn the ropes of pirating but... I quit eve, because I had loads of studying to do. Basically, every freking time I come back to Eve I have the same goal: learn the way of the lonely pvp. I don't mind that my stats aren't going to be full of bcs, bss, or for that matter anything big. I really enjoy just being in a cloaked ship and I watching... so no, I don't wanna go roaming/rampaging through sectors till my glorious death. Daneel Trevize I thing has the best idea of what I'm looking for and I'm sure to check up on the w-space. I'm trying to find out how to spot a solid base camp system for all my I-wanna-be-a-spider-like-pirate thingy. The thing is I tried it before on my own and... I spent two days looking at a gate and the rate of travell was 1 person / 2 hours. So that was badly chosen... Thought about going pirate faction, do the epic for one of them and base out of 0.0 say Serpentis base. But that's a WHOLE lot of hassle for something that could go the way I explained above (lots of ideas but no people in system equals FAIL). So if any solo pvp-er who takes hours watching his prey from a cloaked ship only to kill a single frigate in a whole day is reading this: how do you do it?
But again, thank you all for the advices, I'll keep trying with this idea of mine, but if it doesn't work, I'm grateful for all the alternatives you've mentioned and I'll consider! |
Abbadon21
Cosmic Cimmerians The G0dfathers
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Posted - 2012.03.13 20:52:00 -
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It depends a lot on exactly what you are wanting to do...
If you want to kill a ratter, then get your self a good ship and plot a 50 jump course (less secure) though low sec and check the belts in every system that has people in local. It's alot of work and some times you will get a kill every couple systems, but most the time you have to be very patient.
If just want to fight, head to an entrance system to low or null sec and realize the people there are most likely going to blob you.
I made a video series about how to force a fight you can win even when you are outnumbered on my website at: http://www.eveproguides.com/free-pvp-video-series/
Good luck, solo and small gang PVP is the best part of EVE and really the biggest advantage EVE has over every other game. Learn How PRO Players Make Billions of ISK and Dominate PVP: http://www.EVEProGuides.com |
Daneel Trevize
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.13 21:03:00 -
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If you're sure w-space will be at least fun to try, then continue considering it. But spank's right that you can have a lot of fun roaming without a cloak, just think on a larger scale, that once you get into some nullbears' ratting backwaters that they're already succumbing to your sticky trap as they pay too little attention to local & intel while harvesting their rats/PI/hauling and think their 20 mates in local have their back rather than being afk in a station/pos/space.
If you want to take a covert cloakying ship to null, where you're far far more likely to run into a camp, the AB-fitted pilgrim especially has problems. It'll be far safer in wspace but do expect to lose it sooner than you think, the first ship you go for might be able to summon backup before you've neuted them out and nibbled them away with drones that have to be kept alive. Also if you're planning a stay of hours in someone's system you can't be doing something else more fun/making isk to buy the next ship. You'd get a fair number of hurricanes for 1 recon.
When I was in a w-space corp, we lived in w-space with a static to the class of systems we wanted to hunt, and constantly cycled it to find people active/probably worth waiting on/for a quite system to run anoms in. We ensured our routile would be target-rich and as much on our terms as possible. Dipping into systems from k-space, most likely through other people's statics, carries far more chance of being spotted, baited, or camped in. I'm sure there's still plenty of w-space corps that would be interested in someone who's not looking to pve all day, and is willing to scout down connections to find someone to pounce on. But it is a time-consuming activity with decreasing value of targets and increasing likelyhood that you'll be bumping into pimped out T3/recon fleets. There's a lot to going for being your own man in k-space. |
Longinius Spear
Double-Down Narwhals Ate My Duck
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Posted - 2012.03.13 21:47:00 -
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Daneel Trevize wrote:Perhaps you should try w-space. Once you learn some basic mechanics, you'll know that peeking into a system from a highsec hole is basically 100% safe for taking a look, and if the residents aren't camping it then you can sneak in and lie in wait for them to be doing anoms/PI. You'll never be hotdropped though you can be baited or caught in a 3-way. Mostly though you'll be able to gather intel on and study your chosen victims, it shouldn't be too hard to find some that are active in your prime time such that you can either attack them soon after you've entered their hole, or log off at a safe off of their pos's dscan range and strike the next day.
We used to use a corpmate's site called WormNav(http://www.wormnav.com/) to really ease indentifying system effects, statics, and for finding connecting wormhole sigs. There's also the activity chart but I think I read CCP changed the API so this may not be as reliable as it once was.
Just don't use a pilgrim vs a missile boat without a repper, and know that an AB won't get you safely through camped bubbles/out of many tackle situations, though you can neut off 1-2 people's tackle and also jump with aggression.
I agree with this message. ^^^^
WH combat is were its at if you like small ship engadgments. A lot of submarine warfare going on in there.
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skarrr
Capital Enrichment Services
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Posted - 2012.03.14 02:12:00 -
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Shoot me a mail in game if you are keen on solo/ small gangpvp. |
Mr Morita
Gunpoint Diplomacy
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Posted - 2012.03.14 05:25:00 -
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1. Buy a Riifter. 2. Move to Heild. 3. Undock. 4. ????? 5. PROFIT! |
Xi 'xar
Mise en Abyme
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Posted - 2012.03.14 09:19:00 -
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Camp DED 2 plexes in lowsec... http://reduplication.wordpress.com/category/explore-low-sec/ http://reduplication.wordpress.com/category/live-low-sec/ http://mrsnypes.blogspot.com/2010/07/burnt-lands.html
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The MightySword
Pod-A-Lot Syndicate Jokers Wild.
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Posted - 2012.03.16 14:20:00 -
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WOW im amazed no one has mentioned Dotlan yet
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/
Type in a system in the search box then click on the ssytem and it will give you statistics for the hour and for 24hrs that have passed on how many jumps and kills there have been.
IMHO an invaluauble resource for pvp and low sec roams.
Just my 2 isk worth
good hunting |
Inepsa1987
Critical Mass Inc.
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Posted - 2012.03.16 23:02:00 -
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The MightySword wrote:WOW im amazed no one has mentioned Dotlan yet http://evemaps.dotlan.net/Type in a system in the search box then click on the ssytem and it will give you statistics for the hour and for 24hrs that have passed on how many jumps and kills there have been. IMHO an invaluauble resource for pvp and low sec roams. Just my 2 isk worth good hunting
I was just about to post a dotlan link. Though its not an end all, it shows pve and pvp activity in all of eve in a semi accurate fashion. Spaceship Pilot. |
Bricksauce
Red Dawn.
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Posted - 2012.03.19 08:54:00 -
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Hit F10, and set the filter on the star map to PILOTS IN SYSTEM. Look for lowsec/null systems that have people.
Fly there, and see explosions.
o7 |
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Tinu Moorhsum
Royal Scientific Research Enterprise
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Posted - 2012.03.19 09:58:00 -
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Everto Trucido wrote:
WHERE?
I solo PVP with an alt from a wormhole and get a steady stream of kills (and losses) from him. I'll tell you a couple of my secrets to finding targets.
1) first and foremost, solo PVP is not "drinking from the firehose" type PVP. Many of your potential targets don't *want* to PVP and you must be VERY patient sometimes to find them or corner them. On a typical solo roam I may engage 2-3 ships in a couple of hours and maybe have to disengage 1/2 of them because they warped in a blob or it turned out to be more than I could handle.
1b) the easiest type of solo PVP is to camp a high-sec gate near a hub offering distribution missions that occasionally go into low-sec. Egghelende on the Jel gate will get you about 200 kills a month if you put much effort into it just from the sheer numbers of noobs in T1 haulers, frigates and destroyers that jump through that gate. There is a system near the Kor-azor/Aridia border as well that has HUGE number of macros in T1 haulers grinding missions (or did the last time I checked). If all you want is kills then this is a good option..... however... these are *easy* kills. If you want *interesting* kills, read on.
2) a LOT of plexes, missions and ratting happens in low-sec. You'd be surprised. I would say 1/2 of the systems where someone is active have wrecks on scan. So how do you catch them? This is where you need a prober. Use combat probes, try to find the ship directly if you can but if you can't then probe out complexes and anomolies (especially ungated ones) Look for where people *were* ratting (wrecks) or mining (cans) and get set up (cloaked) inside to wait for them to come back. Some will.
Another trick is to use available wormholes to "hide" your ships. you disappear, you are no longer reported on intel channels and everyone thinks you left. But you didn't leave. You're still in-system but cloaked in a way that makes you invisible to local and invisible to intel channels.
An example of how I used #2 to get a kill yesterday: I saw a pilot in an ishtar (I was in a vagabond) with core scanner probes out in a system. I concluded that he was looking for plexes. He didn't do anything with my prober in system but as soon as I put out probes he recalled his probes and logged off. So I scanned the system for all anomolies and found 1 Radar site and 1 wormhole. Pretty straight forward... he was looking for the radar site but I interrupted him. I made a contact for the pilot, got the vaga into the wormhole to hide it and scanned down the radar site making a corp book mark for it. Then I left the system with my prober. After ... mmmm.... 15 min or so he logged back on. I gave him 7 min to finish his probing and start to run the site and then I came out of the wh, warped to BM, landed right on top of him and melted him. His loss 237mil isk.
Did something very similar with a hulk a week ago in 0.0: His loss 350mil isk (faction fitted Hulk FTW).... nice drop too.
3) "screw up" your sec status as fast as you can. One of the main problems in low-sec is getting a fight on a gate. Especially in small ships, two pilots with higher sec status can't engage one another on a gate/station without getting BAP'd by the sentries. However, if you are permanently red and flashy then people can engage you under sentries. That's a HUGE advantage for pirates and allows you to get a LOT more fights. (and a few that you didn't want... but that's the price). The alt I solo with in low-sec has a sec status of about -9 most of the time (I plex a lot in him so it never really goes to -10 for long) but I 'm very careful to not allow his sec status to get above -5.
4) use the agent finder. The agent finder will allow you to see where nearby agents are and what kind of missions they are offering. The good part about this is, say, you know that a mission runner will have a good tank for kinetic and thermal... it will allow you to choose your damage to play into the lowest resist of his ship and melt him faster. For example in some regions/systems I've been able to melt mission battleships in 45 seconds or so using the vagabond and the loki comes across as being hit with an uber-tanking tonne of bricks. Even with an AF, if you're using the right ammo, you might be able to "tip over" a mission BS.... but all of this takes planning and knowing what you're attacking and where their Achilles heel is. I work out of a wormhole so I'm all over eve but if you're planning on working from K-space then look at what damage you can do with your choice of ships and then choose an area to work in that will present you with mission ships who are weakly tanked for your damage.
5) Use Dotlan. Dotlan data is delayed but the 24h statistics will show you the "main routes" through a region and where much of the ratting/mission runing is being done. it gives you a bit of focus because you don't have to waste time roaming around in empty space. Also the eve in-game maps have a wealth of information that will help you find systems that are not empty.
Other than that... it's just a question having some balls, having a plan and a big dose of good luck.
Good luck. T- |
takedoom
The Generic Pirate Corporation Fusion.
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Posted - 2012.03.20 11:21:00 -
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Try to find a system with a funny name like gayar for instance. This is where you want to setup shop. http://spinthatdamnship.ytmnd.com/
I am not a thief. I am a treasure hunter. |
Gerald Mitchell
Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
0
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Posted - 2012.03.20 13:18:00 -
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I'm still relatively new to solo-pvp myself, and my stats are currently pretty horrible... BUT.
I have learned to use the in-game maps to my advantage, as they provide a lot of valuable information if you know what you're looking for Head in to the in-game map and start messing with the filters.
I am in a rather large alliance, so the first thing I do is go to "lines" and set the line color to "Standings Since most of the space occupied by my alliance is BAD hunting grounds (due to too many blues), I look for systems which are connected to yellow or red lines.. Yellow is the best, as the occupying faction sees you as "neutral" rather than red. Neutrals will generally still be reported on intel in my experience, but if you hang out in an area long enough without stirring up a hornets nest, the occupants of that system will generally let their gaurd down.
The second thing to look for is activity in the potential hunting grounds. As mentioned above, there are several options on the in-game map which allow you to narrow down which areas are potentially good for hunting.
Scroll down to the "statistics" tab under "stars" and try checking the following stats
"Average Pilots in space in the last 30 minutes".. This will give you a snapshot of recent activity in that system. Obviously, you do not want to camp in systems with too many people, as it raises your odds of getting blobbed. However, if you find one of these systems that exists along a "pipeline" rather than a large intersection of systems, you can potentially nab incoming or outgoing traffic, and do so far enough away that any distress call will not result in an instant blob
"Jumps in the last hour".. If you see a system which is showing 30-60 jumps in the last hour, you should consider that a potentially good system for gate-camping. That's 1 jump every 1-2 minutes, which is a reasonable amount of time to wait for someone. Obviously, not every jump will be a potential target, because you do not want to engage everyone... But lets say even 1 out of every 5 of those are potentially good targets.. You have to wait an average of 5-10 minutes to find a target you like? Not bad. Even if you have to wait 1/2 an hour, it may be worth it. Combine this with the knowledge of how many gates are in the system and how much traffic is nearby, and you're starting to narrow down your potential camp grounds
"Ships destroyed in the last hour." ... The less, the better. The less ships destroyed means the less competition you have and the less jumpy people in the system will be. Avoid systems with huge kill counts for obvious reasons. You may be jumping into a trap
"Station count"... Systems with stations and a high "average pilots in space" generally means it's some kind of hub for a faction. It sucks going into a system with 10 people just to find that 7 of them are docked 2 are ratting in Tengu's, and 1 is POS'd up
"Pirate and Police ships destroyed in the last 24 hours" gives you a glimpse at how much ratting is going on in that system.
Optimally, you would want to look for a system with the following traits
-Low to Medium people in space in the last 30 minutes. (1-10, maybe? -Station count 1 or 0. Preferably 0 -High jump count.. 30 -As few gates as possible. 1-2 is best. (Careful, as you can get camped too. -High "Pirate and police ships destroyed in the last 24 hours -Low "Ships destroyed in the last hour".. The lower the better
Once you find a system like this, you want to come in under the radar. Start Dscanning the system to see how many pilots are active in space, so you don't get ambushed or otherwise caught off your guard. Start setting up Tactical's on all of the gates, both on and off grid. This way you can Dscan the gate from a distance as soon as you see someone enter local, or you can sit on a gate and watch the gate flash yourself while still remaining safe.. Although this tends to draw more attention. . but the tactical also provides a quick escape if things go wrong on-gate.
Sometimes Blitzing Asteroid Belts or Ice Belts can result in miners/ratters who are caught unaware. You can do the same with plexes. As soon as you enter a system that you KNOW has very few people in it, but has a high ratting score, immediately scan down how many plexes are in system and jump right to the first one you find. Most of the time you will come up empty, but once in a while you will catch someone in the middle of something and they will NOT be happy to see you.
Hope this helps. |
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