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SugeR RusH	Posted - 2008.06.23 09:25:00 - [31] Okay so people whine about nano's... problem is what do you define as a nano? I mean ive been going 300 with an afterburner before and i got slaughtered in local for being 'nano'?
coeathal vega Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.06.23 09:33:00 - [32] the sudden reason... caldari: omg i cant kill a nanoship in my uber drake. omg overpowered. ----
F'nog Celestial Horizon Corp. Celestial Industrial Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.23 10:09:00 - [33] Originally by: Larkonis Trassler Whinage won't solve anything. Evolution is required. Oh, so BoB has to get involved in FW for it to be meaningful or real? Is that what you're saying? Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
RuleoftheBone Ataraxia.	Posted - 2008.06.23 10:50:00 - [34] /breaks wind...noisily. "Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way" General George Patton USA
Larkonis Trassler Neo Spartans	Posted - 2008.06.23 11:05:00 - [35] Originally by: F'nog Originally by: Larkonis Trassler Whinage won't solve anything. Evolution is required. Oh, so BoB has to get involved in FW for it to be meaningful or real? Is that what you're saying? ............................................________ ....................................,.-æö...................``~., .............................,.-ö...................................ô-., .........................,/...............................................ö:, .....................,?......................................................\, .................../...........................................................,} ................./......................................................,:`^`..} .............../...................................................,:ö........./ ..............?.....__.........................................:`.........../ ............./__.(.....ô~-,_..............................,:`........../ .........../(_....ö~,_........ô~,_....................,:`........_/ ..........{.._$;_......ö=,_.......ô-,_.......,.-~-,},.~ö;/....} ...........((.....~_.......ö=-._......ô;,,./`..../ö............../ ...,,,___.\`~,......ô~.,....................`.....}............../ ............(....`=-,,.......`........................(......;_,,-ö ............/.`~,......`-...............................\....../\ .............\`~.-,.....................................\|,./.....\,__ ,,_..........}.>-._\...................................\|..............`=~-, .....`=~-,_\_......`\,.................................\ ...................`=~-,,.\,...............................\ ................................`:,,...........................`\..............__ .....................................`=-,...................,%`>--==`` ........................................_\..........._,-%.......`\ ...................................,<`.._\|_,-&``................`\ Assumption of Risk
Captain Falcord The Python Cartel	Posted - 2008.06.23 11:11:00 - [36] In my opinion nano as a concept should not be nerfed. However, CCP needs to make a more evident division between the ships that are supposed to be nano and the ones that aren't. For example, Vagabond should retain it's nano capacities at full, but ships like the sacrilege or the ishtar should get that aspect nerfed to hell. Diversity is good, but invading other ship's role, is not. ---<---@ JackFalcord
Nanetha	Posted - 2008.06.23 11:14:00 - [37] Originally by: Del Narveux (aka you know theres a problem when you see a maller going 5km/s). I HEREBY PRESENT TO THOU, NANO MALLER (PEW) http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/8933/nanomallerad0.jpg
Tenuo Native Freshfood	Posted - 2008.06.23 11:16:00 - [38] Originally by: Captain Falcord In my opinion nano as a concept should not be nerfed. However, CCP needs to make a more evident division between the ships that are supposed to be nano and the ones that aren't. For example, Vagabond should retain it's nano capacities at full, but ships like the sacrilege or the ishtar should get that aspect nerfed to hell. Diversity is good, but invading other ship's role, is not. Ishtar is quite horribly broken when it comes to non nano fittings, can't even fit 3 heavy electrons, mwd, dual rep and electrochem booster. And wtf is up with 5 mids and only 5 low on a ship meant to armor tank. once you've fitted above you have 2 high slots and have run out of cpu and grid. _______________________________________________________________________________ EVE Online: The Hand-holding Age The truth about balance is that it doesn't exist.
Malcanis We are Legend	Posted - 2008.06.23 11:28:00 - [39] Originally by: Reem Fairchild From one of the recent threads: Originally by: Yakia TovilToba Someone in caldari melitia chat said we must make at least 2 a day in order to create CHANGE we can BELIEVE in. Let's HOPE it is true and we don't have to make 5 a day I guess the good people in Invicta are really getting to them. IIRC there is a forum rule against spamming. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Corstaad Vardr ok Lidskjalv Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2008.06.23 11:32:00 - [40] Just a little hint to stop the nano gangs. You can buy them from the lp stores and they used to be junk. If you must know its the faction cruisers.
Istvaan Shogaatsu Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2008.06.23 12:06:00 - [41] Originally by: Tamia Clant Originally by: Pithecanthropus It's cute how nanoweenies think zipping around in tinkerbell wings in a fancy form of warp core stabbed ships think they are actually pvping. What is PVP, then? Sitting in a battleship, wiggling your e-peen around, while smacktalking in local? No. According to the Forum Rules, PVP is any combat engagement you win. Any combat engagement you don't win however, is an unbalanced exploit and must be fixed NOW. /me continues racking up nanoHAC kills with his dirt cheap, fully insurable pulse snipoc
Angelonico Series of Tubes	Posted - 2008.06.23 12:13:00 - [42] Originally by: Firkragg Well if they nerf nanos how exactly is any solo and small gang pvp supposed to take place without getting blobbed to hell? Find a way to nerf blobs first and then we will talk. Quoting for truth.
Call'Da Poleece	Posted - 2008.06.23 12:13:00 - [43] Originally by: Captain Falcord In my opinion nano as a concept should not be nerfed. However, CCP needs to make a more evident division between the ships that are supposed to be nano and the ones that aren't. For example, Vagabond should retain it's nano capacities at full, but ships like the sacrilege or the ishtar should get that aspect nerfed to hell. Diversity is good, but invading other ship's role, is not. If CCP stealth nerfed the nano capabilities of ishtars, sacs and other common nano ships EXCEPT Vagabond "because its meant to go fast" there would be a sharp drop in the number of nanos, and then a sharp rise in the number of nano Vagabonds after however long it takes to train minmatar cruiser 5 and medium ac 5 (and possibly shield fitting skills)... i.e. no change in the number of nanos after a couple of months If CCP let everyone know several weeks before they nerfed nano ishtar etc then there would be no drop in the number of nanos as they would have trained the required skills in the meantime..... But overall I think the only reason people bring up the whole "nerf ishtars and sacs but not vagas because they are meant to go fast" is because the other ships are getting more kills than they can in their Vagabond because they suck
Sergara Darkthorn black hearts	Posted - 2008.06.23 12:21:00 - [44] The Nano whine is getting a bit old atm... as is the counter whine of 'omfg n00bs adapt!11!' really.. just get over it... the people who are moaning about it can easily cross train for something really cheap and disposable like an arbitrator or Vexor.. just a few days extra training and some good drone skills (which you should have anyway) and youve got a good cheap alternative As for the rather smug individuals who hang onto invicta's (no offence to Invicta.. good pvp'rs and respect where its due)coat tales and claim a little bit of their victories.. I wonder how they would react if they were to come up against a RKK gang, or finfleet?... yeah im sure there would be much whining and emo rage
Captain Falcord The Python Cartel	Posted - 2008.06.23 12:39:00 - [45] Originally by: Call'Da Poleece Originally by: Captain Falcord In my opinion nano as a concept should not be nerfed. However, CCP needs to make a more evident division between the ships that are supposed to be nano and the ones that aren't. For example, Vagabond should retain it's nano capacities at full, but ships like the sacrilege or the ishtar should get that aspect nerfed to hell. Diversity is good, but invading other ship's role, is not. If CCP stealth nerfed the nano capabilities of ishtars, sacs and other common nano ships EXCEPT Vagabond "because its meant to go fast" there would be a sharp drop in the number of nanos, and then a sharp rise in the number of nano Vagabonds after however long it takes to train minmatar cruiser 5 and medium ac 5 (and possibly shield fitting skills)... i.e. no change in the number of nanos after a couple of months If CCP let everyone know several weeks before they nerfed nano ishtar etc then there would be no drop in the number of nanos as they would have trained the required skills in the meantime..... But overall I think the only reason people bring up the whole "nerf ishtars and sacs but not vagas because they are meant to go fast" is because the other ships are getting more kills than they can in their Vagabond because they suck No no no don't get me wrong. I don't want to see everything nerfed "but the vagabond" I want ships as the ishtar to get directed to what their role is supposed to be. That means, nerf their nano capacities but instead increase the Sacrilege tank, the Ishtar offensive capabilities... Just make each ship good in what it was made to be good at, not good at the thing a Vagabond should be. The best example of this balance would be the Stabber and the Thorax. Stabber is thought to be nano'ed, where Thorax is not. They're both good ships in their own roles. ---<---@ JackFalcord
Haakelen Force d'action navale	Posted - 2008.06.23 12:42:00 - [46] And how are you going to magically make the Ishtar useful when non-nanoed?
Captain Falcord The Python Cartel	Posted - 2008.06.23 12:43:00 - [47] Originally by: Haakelen And how are you going to magically make the Ishtar useful when non-nanoed? Buff other aspects of it. ---<---@ JackFalcord
Haakelen Force d'action navale	Posted - 2008.06.23 12:44:00 - [48] Yeah, that's what I was kind of asking. Y'know, some kind of... specifics?
Captain Falcord The Python Cartel	Posted - 2008.06.23 12:45:00 - [49] Originally by: Haakelen Yeah, that's what I was kind of asking. Y'know, some kind of... specifics? I'm not an expert, but there are probably many experienced pilots, and CCP themselves, who could give an specific shape to those changes. I'm just pointing out that nano should not be nerfed in ALL ships, it has to be taken out from those that don't "deserve" it and give them something different. ---<---@ JackFalcord
Haakelen Force d'action navale	Posted - 2008.06.23 12:48:00 - [50] So, the Gallente don't 'deserve' a useful HAC? Only the Minmatar do? To quote a respected old associate of mine, Originally by: Firkragg Well if they nerf nanos how exactly is any solo and small gang pvp supposed to take place without getting blobbed to hell? Find a way to nerf blobs first and then we will talk.
Tradella	Posted - 2008.06.23 12:57:00 - [51] The role of a HAC is to be a nano ship. It is more expensive than a BS, can be fitted for similar tank but usually not nearly as much gank. So why would anyone in his/her right mind fly one, except for a Sunday morning trip in high sec? The answer is nano. Nano HACs can compete with BS, at least if they stay in their role of roaming gangs. Tradella
Aerick Dawn The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.06.23 14:08:00 - [52] I've been playing since launch, and there does need to be an adjustment to be more in line with the duties of each ship class. Interceptors are the ones that go omgfast, but then getting outrun by a curse, thats a bit silly. Heck, even BS can go stupid fast. Its the ability to decide on how/when/where to fight, or to escape that gives certain nano fitted ships an "unbalanced" advantage. I can sit in my ishtar all day long and fly it around like an interceptor, it only does 10x more damage. If I get caught in a camp, its stupid easy to get back to the gate or just to extend and escape. The primary issue is you can dual web a nanohac, but it will still have enough momentum to get it to the gate most of the time. The people that say "set your crap up right", are really saying "if you have your ship fitted right" you can take out a stupid nanopilot. I'm a fan of the slugfest myself, so I guess I'm a little biased. __________________ If I'm in a fair fight, i've done something terribly wrong.
Xaen Caritas.	Posted - 2008.06.23 14:18:00 - [53] Originally by: Ancorehraq sis Originally by: Elirel Edited by: Elirel on 23/06/2008 06:37:57 Hint One blackbird worth ten million can disable at least 2 nanohacs worth at least 150 million each /hint. Bull**. Nano HACs are at least 200mil, usually more like 250. Also, nerf blackbirds. Those things are hacks. My curse is pushing 500M. Not counting implants. - Support fixing the UI\|Suggest Jita fixes\|Compact logs**
Xaen Caritas.	Posted - 2008.06.23 14:34:00 - [54] Originally by: Aerick Dawn I've been playing since launch, and there does need to be an adjustment to be more in line with the duties of each ship class. Contrary to popular belief, being around a long time does not cause your points to be more valid. In fact, the game was so different back then as to be largely irrelevant. Originally by: Aerick Dawn Interceptors are the ones that go omgfast, but then getting outrun by a curse, thats a bit silly. WTB Curse setup that goes 8km/s. Originally by: Aerick Dawn Heck, even BS can go stupid fast. WTB BS setup that can go "stupid fast" Originally by: Aerick Dawn Its the ability to decide on how/when/where to fight, or to escape that gives certain nano fitted ships an "unbalanced" advantage. And if you nerf the ability to nano a HAC what purpose will they serve then? Most battlecruisers would be more useful, cost a third as much and be fully insurable. Originally by: Aerick Dawn I can sit in my ishtar all day long and fly it around like an interceptor, it only does 10x more damage. Except interceptors are 3,000 - 4,000 m/s faster. And only until somebody decides to shoot your drones. Or do you think you can rescoop them while you're going 3500m/s and your drones go 800 m/s? Originally by: Aerick Dawn If I get caught in a camp, its stupid easy to get back to the gate or just to extend and escape. Good, gatecamping is kinda lame. Originally by: Aerick Dawn The primary issue is you can dual web a nanohac, but it will still have enough momentum to get it to the gate most of the time. Even a web is not supposed to be an "I WIN BUTAN". Have you ever thought of clicking approach and lighting up your MWD to stay in range? Originally by: Aerick Dawn I'm a fan of the slugfest myself, so I guess I'm a little biased. Clearly. Post a change that wouldn't completely unbalance things and render HACs useless and people might take you seriously. - Support fixing the UI\|Suggest Jita fixes\|Compact logs
Tal Ribek Perkone	Posted - 2008.06.23 16:51:00 - [55] "The reason for the sudden invasion of "nano-whining" threads" You fail
Dianeces The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.06.23 16:53:00 - [56] Originally by: Sergara Darkthorn I wonder how they would react if they were to come up against a RKK gang, or finfleet? FinFleet is the best corp in BoB.
Reem Fairchild Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.06.23 17:06:00 - [57] Edited by: Reem Fairchild on 23/06/2008 17:07:27 Originally by: Aerick Dawn Interceptors are the ones that go omgfast, but then getting outrun by a curse, thats a bit silly. Just because an armor tanked taranis can get run down by a super pimped out Curse fitted for speed, doesn't have to mean there's an imbalance here. I'd like to see the Curse that can outrun my Claw. I don't think there are very many of them of them out there, if any. And if I put any kind of money into it, even just the kind of investment that a Curse would need to get to 3.5 km/s, then I can guarantee with 100% certainty that there are none that can even get close to its speed.
Garvin Lumines	Posted - 2008.06.23 17:07:00 - [58] The Caldari Faction needs to wake up and realize that they are being farmed by the rest of eve, and just give it up for a bit. Go back to missioning. Don't give them targets. They will get bored and move on or go inactive again. Try again in a month or so.
F'nog Celestial Horizon Corp. Celestial Industrial Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.23 20:40:00 - [59] Originally by: Larkonis Trassler Originally by: F'nog Originally by: Larkonis Trassler Whinage won't solve anything. Evolution is required. Oh, so BoB has to get involved in FW for it to be meaningful or real? Is that what you're saying? Nice art, but you may want to train humor to 1. Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
Blind Jhon	Posted - 2008.06.23 21:06:00 - [60] People got angered because of some sort of psicologycal devices: 1) shoot a fast thing make you nervous because it's not an uber tank simply you miss every attack: notify you miss the attack, it seem is my fault... 2) it's versatile if the odds are bad you have the i-run option 3)it's dreadfull, it's like a velociraptor, you know that you can't excape. i die or he die. the frustration comes when people feel thet the situation is gone out theyr hands, the choyce belong to the fater ones conclusion nano isn't overpowered more then buffer tank, blasters, geddons+megapulse + schorch, buffer torp ravens, falcons +cloack and jammers (all) bla bla bla people are just frustrated and irritated, everybody is (angered whit) afraid of nano is like RL psycology >> number, tecnique, skills, tank bla bla bla

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