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Blydchyld Caldari Galactic Extensive Enterprises	Posted - 2008.06.27 10:44:00 - [1] Howdy. My corp are in a position where we are mining high ammounts of minerals and things to buy orders, mainly high end minerals. We do however have the ability to create ~100 BS per month, we have well researched BPO's for every tier 1 BS and a large supply for tier 2's. What we are looking at doing is negotiating an agreement with an alliance to provide them with large ammounts of ships delivered to a Empire station of their choosing. As im new to the buisness side of the game (spent long time pew pew'ing) any advice, guidance or direction you can offer would be most welcome. Cheers. I LIKE ARK! The above post is my post and does not represent the views of any entity, If my views have upset you PM me
Elaine Celeste	Posted - 2008.06.27 19:16:00 - [2] Well, I don't have any specific advice, but I am interested. Contact me IG please if you're still looking for someone to sell to? Play the Celeste Lottery!
Arthor Dark Gallente N.A.S.A. Skunk-Works	Posted - 2008.06.28 16:12:00 - [3] I really don't understand looking for bulk order buyers. Especially in this case. Are you gonna offer a lower price than the highest Jita buy order? Why on earth would you do that for? If not, it's only a 100 items a month, is it really such an encumbrance to keep track of 4 market orders (one for each BS tier1)? If you feel you can't sell that many in Jita in a month, then just divide the lot into 3 and sell them in Amarr, Rens and Jita. That's a total of 12 orders.
Ava Santiago Minmatar	Posted - 2008.06.28 17:08:00 - [4] Originally by: Arthor Dark I really don't understand looking for bulk order buyers. Especially in this case. Are you gonna offer a lower price than the highest Jita buy order? Why on earth would you do that for? If not, it's only a 100 items a month, is it really such an encumbrance to keep track of 4 market orders (one for each BS tier1)? If you feel you can't sell that many in Jita in a month, then just divide the lot into 3 and sell them in Amarr, Rens and Jita. That's a total of 12 orders. Right, because everyone finds it convenient to transport battleships to Jita so they can sell them at a minimum price point against significant competition... and every customer wants to take 20-30 jumps through empire space during a war to go get and fit a new ship.
Arthor Dark Gallente N.A.S.A. Skunk-Works	Posted - 2008.06.28 17:36:00 - [5] Edited by: Arthor Dark on 28/06/2008 17:37:46 Originally by: Ava Santiago Right, because everyone finds it convenient to transport battleships to Jita so they can sell them at a minimum price point against significant competition... and every customer wants to take 20-30 jumps through empire space during a war to go get and fit a new ship. He said he can deliver them to any system in Empire, so why not to Jita, Rens or Amarr? And yeah, I guess it would be tough to get the ships in Empire space during a war, since no single alliance has an NPC corp freighter alt.
Ava Santiago Minmatar	Posted - 2008.06.28 17:44:00 - [6] Originally by: Arthor Dark Edited by: Arthor Dark on 28/06/2008 17:37:46 He said he can deliver them to any system in Empire, so why not to Jita, Rens or Amarr? And yeah, I guess it would be tough to get the ships in Empire space during a war, since no single alliance has an NPC corp freighter alt. It's not about capability, it's about convenience. Customers are almost always willing to trade additional isk for the time they would lose in a trip to Jita - or waiting for the freighter alt. Concord doesn't provide consequences. Concord provides insurance payouts.
Arthor Dark Gallente N.A.S.A. Skunk-Works	Posted - 2008.06.28 18:02:00 - [7] Well, how much more are we talking about? 10% more than the lowest sell order?
Clair Bear	Posted - 2008.06.28 18:04:00 - [8] In which case you're no longer talking manufacture, you're talking trade. So the same customers might as well issue the contracts to a trader rather than manufacturing corp. A large alliance would already have a logistics wing of alts doing this anyway, the profit potential there is nowhere near that of lazy mission runners in mission hubs. OP: most time efficient and least risky approach for you is to manufacture, insure and SD your battleships. Alternatively, compress the minerals and haul them to appropriate 0.0 and empire regions to sell. Try offering a small % fee (call it .5-1% or so) for a consultant to work out the most profitable way for you to move the exact mix and volume of your minerals weekly. Just like learning to pew on your own is less painful with experienced help your new market PvP venture might benefit from experience as well. I would offer my services, but I'm 1. lazy and 2. greedy. (p.s. I have the ability to produce 70 BS per day. 100 a month isn't that much =)
Shadarle	Posted - 2008.06.28 20:17:00 - [9] I can't understand anyone wanting to sell in bulk when talking T1 BS's... the margins are already low... just because you mine the stuff yourself doesn't change the cost to make the ships any. Why would anyone intentionally sell in bulk (which means you have to be selling at a small discount at least) when all T1 BS's sell easily and quickly on the market anyhow and you don't have to take that loss? It's not like we're talking 500-1000 of each BS a month...
Tyndmyr	Posted - 2008.06.28 23:30:00 - [10] What prices, volumes, and how much will shipping affect the cost? I dont really manufacture a lot, but Id consider ordering lots of popular items, such as ravens, caracals, or ospreys, if the price offered me a decent margin via reselling them individually. Theres possibilities, but it all depends on how you do it. If you can crank them out cheap enough, and are willing to take a low margin, you'll find buyers.
Ava Santiago Minmatar	Posted - 2008.06.29 00:48:00 - [11] Originally by: Arthor Dark Well, how much more are we talking about? 10% more than the lowest sell order? Current sell price for Burst's 20,000 isk. My last 20 sell prices for Burst's ranged from 400,000-600,000 isk (market sales). Outsize returns are available from convenience and service. Concord doesn't provide consequences. Concord provides insurance payouts.
Shadarle	Posted - 2008.06.29 00:53:00 - [12] Originally by: Tyndmyr If you can crank them out cheap enough Everyone can crank out ships for the exact same price, the only difference is some people don't realize this.
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2008.06.29 01:08:00 - [13] Originally by: Shadarle I can't understand anyone wanting to sell in bulk when talking T1 BS's... the margins are already low... just because you mine the stuff yourself doesn't change the cost to make the ships any. Why would anyone intentionally sell in bulk (which means you have to be selling at a small discount at least) when all T1 BS's sell easily and quickly on the market anyhow and you don't have to take that loss? It's not like we're talking 500-1000 of each BS a month... Who knows why such people exist, but they do. We (as in my corp) has done private contracts for bulk T1 items at above market cost. Anyone who has had to deal with the logistics of building 100+ BS, 2k+ cruisers, and 2k+ frigates would appreciate the ease of which having them delivered to your doorstep helps. IMHO, the profit isn't worth the headache though. Which is why we've moved well out of that.
Shadarle	Posted - 2008.06.29 03:05:00 - [14] If in fact you can get more money to deliver in bulk than you could to sell em one at a time then that is definitely interesting. It's like RL manufacturing and sales... when profits drop low in a sector the successful companies are those that add value added features... such as the ability to deliver and supply in bulk quantities. Interesting. So if you can sell for more than market value this is a decent idea... if you sell for under market value it sucks, way too much headache and work to lose profit.
Splagada Minmatar Tides of Silence Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.29 11:40:00 - [15] sometimes you find a buyer that lives just next door. everyone wins good idea :D
Jinx Barker GFB Scientific	Posted - 2008.06.29 21:02:00 - [16] I am looking for someone to build me 10-20 Megathrons at competitive prices. Not a recurring contract, but once every few months. If you can accommodate, and have no other current obligatons drop me a line with your quote. Again, I am looking for a competitive price, not a free-hand out, some people get confused by the terms, in no way I assume it is you.
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2008.06.30 00:42:00 - [17] Originally by: Shadarle If in fact you can get more money to deliver in bulk than you could to sell em one at a time then that is definitely interesting. It's like RL manufacturing and sales... when profits drop low in a sector the successful companies are those that add value added features... such as the ability to deliver and supply in bulk quantities. Interesting. So if you can sell for more than market value this is a decent idea... if you sell for under market value it sucks, way too much headache and work to lose profit. Pretty much, but even then. With the limited manufacturing slots. For a good time there we were using well over 30 people on a continuous basis. The headache of supplying mins to the manufacturing location, plus the delivery to the chosen locations of the clients... ... just not worth the extra earned above market cost. It is a logistical nightmare to run it as a for profit enterprise. Less headache and not that much less muss doing T2 production with what limited prints we carry in house and inventing what we don't carry.
spanky herman Gulfonodi Industries Shadow Donkeys	Posted - 2008.06.30 07:49:00 - [18] Originally by: Jinx Barker I am looking for someone to build me 10-20 Megathrons at competitive prices. Not a recurring contract, but once every few months. If you can accommodate, and have no other current obligatons drop me a line with your quote. Again, I am looking for a competitive price, not a free-hand out, some people get confused by the terms, in no way I assume it is you. Where is the delivery point? How many do you want 10 - 20 ?
Blydchyld Caldari Galactic Extensive Enterprises	Posted - 2008.06.30 16:00:00 - [19] Originally by: spanky herman Originally by: Jinx Barker I am looking for someone to build me 10-20 Megathrons at competitive prices. Not a recurring contract, but once every few months. If you can accommodate, and have no other current obligatons drop me a line with your quote. Again, I am looking for a competitive price, not a free-hand out, some people get confused by the terms, in no way I assume it is you. Where is the delivery point? How many do you want 10 - 20 ? Cheers ofr the order thefts there Spanky :P Thansk ever so much for the advice and i will get hold of those i can tonight. But i am really looking for a mass supply order, perhaps even with a 0.0 alliance that would like a live in ship builder. I LIKE ARK! The above post is my post and does not represent the views of any entity, If my views have upset you PM me
Clara Mismer Minmatar Gulfonodi Industries Shadow Donkeys	Posted - 2008.06.30 20:36:00 - [20] If what you are looking for is a steady customer look at the new merc corps and approach them - They will need ships eventually. I'm sure you can set up a deal to reprocess the loot as well if they don't already have an person in place. Most of the "pain" in loosing a ship is replacing the parts and I'm sure a fair deal could be worked out supplying them with the ships and modules they need where they need them. You might also try a thread in the recruiting section if you haven't already there may be corps looking for your skill set that just cant find the people they need.
Jinx Barker GFB Scientific	Posted - 2008.06.30 21:47:00 - [21] Originally by: spanky herman Originally by: Jinx Barker I am looking for someone to build me 10-20 Megathrons at competitive prices. Not a recurring contract, but once every few months. If you can accommodate, and have no other current obligatons drop me a line with your quote. Again, I am looking for a competitive price, not a free-hand out, some people get confused by the terms, in no way I assume it is you. Where is the delivery point? How many do you want 10 - 20 ? Sent you an evemail Spanky.

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