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Mealtime
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.03.13 23:18:00 -
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This game has so many wonderful things about it, super advanced things but for some unknown reason, CCP can't think of a better system for character transfers.
Current system requires you to send isk BEFORE you get the character, opening yourself completely to be scammed. You have to HOPE the seller actually sends it.
Hackers are now hacking accounts, putting up character sale threads, receiving isk, and not sending the characters. I imagine they then sell the isk for RL money and could care less if the account gets banned.
Please for the love of god, fix how to do character transfers, suggestions are welcome here. |
mxzf
Shovel Bros
943
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Posted - 2012.03.14 00:13:00 -
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Scamming in character transfers is strictly forbidden. If you got scammed in a character transfer, then petition it. |
Mealtime
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.03.14 01:03:00 -
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I know it is, and I have petitioned many, many different times and I have got my isk back eventually, ranging from 2 days to a week. The point is that:
A.) Plain and simple the character transfer system could be a lot better and user friendly.
B.) The time saved from having GM's answer these petitions is money in CCP's pocket.
C.) Players lose time waiting for petitions to be answered as well as miss out on any new characters they may want to bid on. |
Drake Draconis
Nexus Advanced Technologies
Fidelas Constans
381
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Posted - 2012.03.14 01:08:00 -
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Petition it....and pipe down bro.
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Mealtime
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.03.14 01:15:00 -
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Lol you guys are funny, IT'S MY RIGHT TO POST YO |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Industrial Complex
Cosmic Consortium
1034
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Posted - 2012.03.14 02:20:00 -
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I wonder if CCP has had a look at reusing the GTC trading mechanism to trade characters! That would make life easier for everyone, including the elimination of having to provide your account name to the buyer in order to trade a character. |
Mealtime
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.03.14 11:00:00 -
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Added the point of having to giving account name to reasons why it should be re-vamped. |
Drake Draconis
Nexus Advanced Technologies
Fidelas Constans
382
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Posted - 2012.03.14 14:13:00 -
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Mealtime wrote:Lol you guys are funny, IT'S MY RIGHT TO POST YO
Apparently its your right to not read or understand English either.
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Maru Utama
Blackwell Industries
IMPERIAL LEGI0N
1
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Posted - 2012.03.14 16:42:00 -
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Changing it to your idea would end up with them having a lot more work if a scam happened than currently. Reversing an account transfer is likely way more work than just getting isk back. Awful idea. |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
1079
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Posted - 2012.03.14 16:45:00 -
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I wouldn't object to a contract-style system where characters and isk are *immediately* exchanged rather than the way it currently works. That would also protect account names (privacy issue) and reduce petition load.
The question is, is it worth the development time to implement it over the current system?
It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you. |
Drake Draconis
Nexus Advanced Technologies
Fidelas Constans
383
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Posted - 2012.03.14 16:57:00 -
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FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:I wouldn't object to a contract-style system where characters and isk are *immediately* exchanged rather than the way it currently works. That would also protect account names (privacy issue) and reduce petition load.
The question is, is it worth the development time to implement it over the current system?
That is a propper proposal indeed.... no the OP's emo-rage-rant.
I could get behind that floppie. :)
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Mealtime
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.03.14 21:05:00 -
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Lol Drake this post was created to inspire new ideas on how to improve character transfers. Did I obviously go over the top on my original post, yes, did it work to bring people to read this, yes. |
Mealtime
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.03.14 21:09:00 -
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95% of the character scams are from characters that have been hacked, so when a petition is filed and isk is reversed back to the buyer, CCP looks at the account that scammed, normally finding it was hacked and reversing the character back to its original owner.
This is directed at Maru Utama's comment.
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AFK Hauler
State War Academy
Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2012.03.14 21:38:00 -
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I like the way it is.
I have purchased ONE character from the market. Therefore, my chances for being scammed are relatively small as most people have experienced.
If the deal is too good to be true, it probably is. If you are paying only 50% of market estimated value for the character know that you may never receive that character. Guess it's part of the risk one takes in playing the market.
However, for your first point; maybe have an escrow account at a NPC corp that holds the ISK until the character transfer has been confirmed.
Other than that, it's fine. |
Drake Draconis
Nexus Advanced Technologies
Fidelas Constans
383
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Posted - 2012.03.14 21:47:00 -
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Mealtime wrote:Lol Drake this post was created to inspire new ideas on how to improve character transfers. Did I obviously go over the top on my original post, yes, did it work to bring people to read this, yes.
While you may have brought people here...your topic title makes you look like a kindergarden kid who looked like someone kicked his sand castle over.
Perhaps if you bothered to clean it up...you might get somewhere.
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Mealtime
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.03.14 22:11:00 -
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AFK Hauler, the main point of this post is to change the system of how isk is handled between buyer and seller. To say it is fine but change the way isk is handled is to say that the current system is fundamentally broken.
Also Afk, do you agree with the fact that you have to give your account name, in essence, half of your characters account security away?
Drake, you clearly don't get the movie reference that is made in my title, that's fine but constructive comments have already come from my post so, I am WINNING. |
Drake Draconis
Nexus Advanced Technologies
Fidelas Constans
385
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Posted - 2012.03.14 22:24:00 -
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Mealtime wrote:Drake, you clearly don't get the movie reference that is made in my title, that's fine but constructive comments have already come from my post so, I am WINNING.
Winning what? This isn't a game....these are the forums....special olympics perhaps?
Movie reference?
Last I checked there are no movies that speak or refer to eve online itself. Subtle/cryptic much?
Maybe you should to go C&P...I hear they have lots of these so called games.
If you refuse to read let alone comprehend what I'm getting at....then at least have the gumption to say nothing or a meme that would be appropriate....otherwise your just digging yourself a grave concerning your intelligence on such things.
And to be quite honest...theres no issue with the system as it is NOW.
Floppie came up with an improvement at least....but that dosen't mean theres a problem with it.
But people who complain about it....9 times out of 10...are foolish in how they handled it in the first place.
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Mealtime
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.03.14 22:53:00 -
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Lol Drake, I didn't realize you were some kind of officiado of what works and what doesn't work in eve. My post brings valid concerns about how character transfers are carried out in this game and just because, for some strange reason, you don't think ANYTHING is wrong with the system doesn't mean it is fine.
Everyone has now seen what your opinion is of the character transfer system, great, no more comments are needed, you are not adding anything new to this debate.
You don't like my OP, I could care less, as I said in my previous comment, people are posting good ideas so the post format works, no matter if YOU liked it or not.
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Mealtime
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.03.16 22:07:00 -
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bump |
Irken Slushk
G-Force Developments
3
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Posted - 2012.03.19 05:18:00 -
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I totally agree that the character transfer system SUCKS!!!!!!!! |
Uronksur Suth
Viziam
Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2012.03.19 09:57:00 -
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Mealtime wrote:-+ (PROPOSAL) FIX THE GD CHARACTER TRANSFER SYSTEM, ITS FULL R3TARD -+ \
Oh wow you're clearly really seriously and hardcore or something for yelling in caps. Scamming in character trade is petitionable. This isn't even remotely a priority or worth developer time. |
Arpad Elo
Rock Grinders
Vanguard.
7
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Posted - 2012.03.19 13:36:00 -
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yep
we should probably leak a list of account names acquired through character transfers
that might help get faster action on this issue. |
Mealtime
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.03.19 16:50:00 -
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Uronksur Suth, yeah yeah the post is in caps, it's doing what it's supposed to and getting people to read this. Yes it is petition able but what I am saying is that a better system can be implemented so that you don't have to give your account name and also not get scammed.
By the way, if your character does get hacked, even if you get it back, all the assets may have been stripped and generally are not reimbursed to you. |
Joyelle
State War Academy
Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.03.21 01:22:00 -
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Uronksur Suth wrote:Mealtime wrote:-+ (PROPOSAL) FIX THE GD CHARACTER TRANSFER SYSTEM, ITS FULL R3TARD -+ \ Oh wow you're clearly really seriously and hardcore or something for yelling in caps. Scamming in character trade is petitionable. This isn't even remotely a priority or worth developer time.
Actually, you are really wrong. If you know what it feels like to wait for weeks before receiving your isk back or even getting a reply then you won't post that comment that sounds like it's coming from an ignorant individual or someone involved in the same dubious act.
A contract like system will narrow character transfer issues or scams to only hacked accounts. The way it works is simple and sound, if you can afford it then pay up but if you can't then move on... anyone that doesn't get his character sold can adjust the price as needed.
The current mechanism makes it too easy to scam and put unnecessary work load on the GMs. This is time that can be used to address problems of new players that CCP is trying so hard retain and please. All of these can be easily avoided. A wise man once said, "If ignorance is bliss, why aren't there more happy people?" |
Jiix Zix
Erasers inc.
0ccupational Hazzard
0
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Posted - 2012.03.21 08:42:00 -
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Well,
They used to have ETC selling through the account management page where you assign the ETC to someone and price you are asking for it.
I just wonder why (other than the possibility to scam ISK from the current method is considered business as usual) this method was not adopted to the character transfers.
If you are auctioning your character on forums and then when the auction is over you'd then simply assign that character-to-be-sold to a character "I BUY TOONS AND STUFF" with the amount of isk agreed - and when the buyer accepts the character the character transfer fee is deducted from the sellers account and the isk is transfered or possibility to purchase 'character transfer token(s) in advance.
If the seller do not have credits at the time when the transaction would take place it would just notify the buyer that the transaction could not be made and inform the seller by e-mail 'Dude, where's your credit?' so the seller could then make approriate actions.
However, all things must evolve or die away this whole thing could be taken to another level and implement the real character bazaar.
Seller would put character up on auction with options: Auction time, Min bid, Reserve, Buyout.
Optionally some sort of short 'sales speech' field allowed as well.
Characters with negative wallet and other invalid data could not be put up on sale.
Then normal auction controls for buyers, bid x (needs to be higher than min bid apparently) / buyout.
Bidding would then reserve the isk bidded on the character till higher bid or buyout has been made.
The auction would then provide information about the character in example:
- Skill list and queue
- Corp history
- Security status
- Forum post count (link to posts)
- etc what is considered relevant.
Optionally there could be search filtering when listing characters on the bazaar based on skills etc.
Just my few cents - love it or keep on hating.
- J
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Smiling Menace
Star Nebulae Holdings Inc.
212
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Posted - 2012.03.21 15:09:00 -
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As much as the transfer mechanics leave a lot to be desired, you really have to ask yourself just how much of a problem is the current system?
If it was affecting a large portion of the EVE population then I would agree that it would need fixing.
However, I suspect that this will only ever affect a very small minority of people that trade characters for whatever reason.
I don't think it would be worthwhile for CCP to devote time and resources to this.
My own personal opinion on this is that transferring or selling characters should never have been allowed in the first place because it is very open to abuse.
Caveat emptor as they say. |
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