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Nikkoli Immortalis Kruoris	Posted - 2008.06.30 05:40:00 - [1] Are there any plans to have an astrometrics cruiser or battleship? perhaps this could be an idea for an attitional model of the recon and Black ops ships? It would be nice if I had a ship I could actually complete sites with after I probe them out instead of having to bookmark then go get my combat ship.
Helen coracao ardente The Requiem	Posted - 2008.06.30 05:45:00 - [2] Originally by: Nikkoli Are there any plans to have an astrometrics cruiser or battleship? perhaps this could be an idea for an attitional model of the recon and Black ops ships? It would be nice if I had a ship I could actually complete sites with after I probe them out instead of having to bookmark then go get my combat ship. Use a Ishtar mate.
Falcon Troy Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.06.30 05:59:00 - [3] We don't need anything bigger than a frigate. It's supposed to be a specialized craft. Having fully combat ready probing ships would be overkill. _____________ Hai.
Lakche	Posted - 2008.06.30 07:44:00 - [4] We could use a specialized ship to hunt down cloakers. (Atleast, I sure could...) And I hear Black Ops kind of suck at what they currently do.
Tamoko Damage Unlimited Inc INTERDICTION	Posted - 2008.06.30 07:59:00 - [5] Not having to drop off the anathema to pick up an omnipresent boring ass Raven, to clean out my RADAR plexes would be a boon. Paying 1`000`000`000 ISK for a T2 battleship that can probe and pew at the same time wouldn't, on the other hand.
Atsuko Ratu Caldari VSP Corp.	Posted - 2008.06.30 14:52:00 - [6] A tackle-ready prober would be nice, but honestly, you can just gang warp a ceptor in with you. Or, god forbid, put tackle gear on your cov ops. My favorite part was the skill remark. That made my day
cyver agamon	Posted - 2008.06.30 15:42:00 - [7] Edited by: cyver agamon on 30/06/2008 15:45:21 Edited by: cyver agamon on 30/06/2008 15:44:04 Edited by: cyver agamon on 30/06/2008 15:43:32 May I suggest the T2 'Science Platform' Type Battlecruisers? They would be built on the Tier 2 battleships (Myrmidon, Harbinger, Drake and Hurricane) and Have several bonuses making them useful for scanning and combat. Let's give an Example. [Gallente: Nereid Deep-Space Science Vessel] Requirements: BC V, Gallente Cruiser V, Astrometrics V, Science Vessels I. While not granted as much pure firepower as it's base ship the Myrmidon, the Nereid is capable of fielding an even greater madd of drones, and gives up it's weapons space for advanced Sensor suites and probe bays. It also gives up it's turrets in favor of missile bays, which require much less room and allow the interior mass of the ship to be lowered. Developer: CreoDron With Probe use in mind, Creodron produced a heavy Electronic warfare ship, that would be able to defend itself adequatley with it's own small fleet of drones. In return for enhanced drone interface technology, even over the Myrmidon, it lost much of it's standard firepower, and no longer fits turrets, but had it's skin hardened to compensate. Gallente Cruiser Skill Bonus: 5% bonus to Armor resistances and 10% bonus to drone hitpoints and damage per skill level. Battlecruisers Skill Bonus: 5% bonus to missile velocity and +25 m3 extra Drone Bay space per level Special: 60% reduction to duration/activation time of modules requiring Astrometrics. --------- powergrid output 1000 Low Slots 5 Med Slots 5 High Slots 8 CPU Output 500 Launcher hardpoints 4 Turret hardpoints 0 Shield Capacity 2000 EM: 0% KINETIC: 76% THERMAL: 20% EXPLOSIVE: 50% Recharge: 1,400 Sec. Armor Hitpoints 4550 EM: 20% KINETIC: 35% THERMAL: 40% EXPLOSIVE: 10% Max Velocity: 140m/s Drone Capacity: 50m3 Cargo Capacity: 380m3 Mass: 14,000,000 KG. Volume: 150,000m3. Capacitor Capacity: 3000. Recharge Time: 950 Seconds. Maximum Targetting Range: 65km Scan Resolution: 150mm Signature Radius: 400 (< Big Electronics boat, big sig radius) Calibration: 400 Rigs: 2 What do you think?! :3
Transmaniacon Strike-Force-Alpha	Posted - 2008.06.30 15:57:00 - [8] I really like this idea, though I think a bit steeper skill requirements would be needed so it becomes more of a specialized ship, and something which takes a good ammount of time to fly. Things like Electronic Upgrades V, maybe some other electronic skills, nothing too steep, but enough to keep everyone from having one. I like the idea a lot though, and I think your ship suggestion is great.
Arvald Caldari Aurora Acclivitous Paxton Federation	Posted - 2008.06.30 16:26:00 - [9] Originally by: Atsuko Ratu A tackle-ready prober would be nice, but honestly, you can just gang warp a ceptor in with you. Or, god forbid, put tackle gear on your cov ops. helios is perfect for this, just nano it Originally by: Xanos Blackpaw Stealthbomber combat (or as i like to call it: Just because you *are* paranoid don't mean there isnt a invisible demon about to eat your face)
Saline Ladamire	Posted - 2008.06.30 16:41:00 - [10] I like the science BC idea.

Amandine Andoiun Gallente	Posted - 2008.06.30 17:43:00 - [11] Wait, a Helios could be fitted out to do this? Could you tell me how to fit it? I'm new at this game and I was planning on getting into exploration and I was looking exactly for this - a ship that I wouldn't have to switch.
Nikkoli Immortalis Kruoris	Posted - 2008.06.30 20:27:00 - [12] I am thinking something designed to be the next step up from the CovOps astro. I will have to expand my thought on what the ship would have to be like, but I am definately thinking the covOps cloak, and an astrometric bonus, similar to the cov ops now. I'll come up with a setup when I get home from work
Dave Deadstar Minmatar We are Legend	Posted - 2008.06.30 20:49:00 - [13] I would think the 60% reduction is a bit high, as with covops 5 you only get 50% reduction.
Nikkoli Immortalis Kruoris	Posted - 2008.06.30 21:52:00 - [14] Edited by: Nikkoli on 30/06/2008 21:54:48 Gallente Cruiser Skill Bonus: 5% bonus to Small Hybrid Turret damage and 10% bonus to Scout Drone Thermal damage per level Recon Ships Skill Bonus: -98% to -100% reduction in Cloaking Device CPU use per level and 10% reduction to duration/activation time of modules requiring Astrometrics per level Role Bonus: 50% reduction in scan probe launcher CPU usage. Fitting powergrid output 800 low slots 3 med slots 7 high slots 5 cpu output 450 launcher hardpoints 1 turret hardpoints 2 Shield shield capacity 1125 shield em damage resistance 0 shield explosive damage resistance 60 shield kinetic damage resistance 77.5 shield thermal damage resistance 50 shield recharge time 1,250.00 sec Armor armor hitpoints 1406 armor em damage resistance 60 armor explosive damage resistance 10 armor kinetic damage resistance 76 armor thermal damage resistance 60 Structure max velocity 190 drone capacity 40 capacity 400 m3 mass 12500000 kg volume 85000 m3 packaged Capacitor recharge time 343.75 sec capacitor capacity 1125 Targeting maximum targeting range 140 km max locked targets 10 radar sensor strength 0 ladar sensor strength 0 magnetometric sensor strength 30 gravimetric sensor strength 0 signature radius 155 m scan resolution 270 Required skills Primary Skill required -Gallente Cruiser V ----Spaceship Command III ----Gallente Frigate IV -------Spaceship Command I Secondary Skill required -Recon Ships II ----Covert Ops IV -------Spaceship Command III -------Electronics Upgrades V ----------Electronics II ----------Engineering II ----Signature Analysis V -------Electronics I ----Spaceship Command V
Nikkoli Immortalis Kruoris	Posted - 2008.07.01 05:30:00 - [15] This would put it on par with the requirements of the other recon ships, ( so it would be a T2 cruiser) but it wouldn't be able to pew pew like they do
Gneeznow Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.07.01 07:08:00 - [16] The science bc is a cool idea, something like a mini-marauder with enough CPU for recon / scan probe launchers, maybe 4 medium weapons with 100% role damage bonus, and expensive, maybe 300 million isk or something
Amastat Caldari Omegatech	Posted - 2008.07.01 08:11:00 - [17] Edited by: Amastat on 01/07/2008 08:13:46 Sounds like the OP just basically wants the ultimate exploration ship that has both the PvE'ing and probing capability all rolled into one. I never really done exploration before, but have you tried getting a SoE probe launcher, in combination with Gravity Capacitor Rigs? Or would this gimp the PvE'ing fit too badly? Personally, I wouldn't mind such a ship - but it could make things way too easy for explorers maybe? I don't know, never tried it before so I really have nothing to base any sound judgement on the matter. Even if it did make things a lot easier for explorers, I would imagine they would still always have the potential of being probed and ganked in lowsec/0.0 - I'm sure all the true yarrs shouldn't really complain about the idea of CCP placing high-powered carebear magnets in deep lowsec/0.0 Such a battleship could also be fitted into a yarr boat too I bet - you can have raiding groups made up strictly of these ships, no more, "Ugh - 3 carebears in the same pocket here; why didn't one of us bring a covert ops!?" ____________________ "All warfare is based on deception... we must seem unable...seem inactive...and crush him " - Sun Tzu
Derek Sigres	Posted - 2008.07.01 08:16:00 - [18] Originally by: cyver agamon Edited by: cyver agamon on 30/06/2008 15:45:21 Edited by: cyver agamon on 30/06/2008 15:44:04 Edited by: cyver agamon on 30/06/2008 15:43:32 May I suggest the T2 'Science Platform' Type Battlecruisers? They would be built on the Tier 2 battleships (Myrmidon, Harbinger, Drake and Hurricane) and Have several bonuses making them useful for scanning and combat. Let's give an Example. [Gallente: Nereid Deep-Space Science Vessel] Requirements: BC V, Gallente Cruiser V, Astrometrics V, Science Vessels I. While not granted as much pure firepower as it's base ship the Myrmidon, the Nereid is capable of fielding an even greater madd of drones, and gives up it's weapons space for advanced Sensor suites and probe bays. It also gives up it's turrets in favor of missile bays, which require much less room and allow the interior mass of the ship to be lowered. Developer: CreoDron With Probe use in mind, Creodron produced a heavy Electronic warfare ship, that would be able to defend itself adequatley with it's own small fleet of drones. In return for enhanced drone interface technology, even over the Myrmidon, it lost much of it's standard firepower, and no longer fits turrets, but had it's skin hardened to compensate. Gallente Cruiser Skill Bonus: 5% bonus to Armor resistances and 10% bonus to drone hitpoints and damage per skill level. Battlecruisers Skill Bonus: 5% bonus to missile velocity and +25 m3 extra Drone Bay space per level Special: 60% reduction to duration/activation time of modules requiring Astrometrics. --------- powergrid output 1000 Low Slots 5 Med Slots 5 High Slots 8 CPU Output 500 Launcher hardpoints 4 Turret hardpoints 0 Shield Capacity 2000 EM: 0% KINETIC: 76% THERMAL: 20% EXPLOSIVE: 50% Recharge: 1,400 Sec. Armor Hitpoints 4550 EM: 20% KINETIC: 35% THERMAL: 40% EXPLOSIVE: 10% Max Velocity: 140m/s Drone Capacity: 50m3 Cargo Capacity: 380m3 Mass: 14,000,000 KG. Volume: 150,000m3. Capacitor Capacity: 3000. Recharge Time: 950 Seconds. Maximum Targetting Range: 65km Scan Resolution: 150mm Signature Radius: 400 (< Big Electronics boat, big sig radius) Calibration: 400 Rigs: 2 What do you think?! :3 The key problem here is your ship is in fact built for combat more than science. You give a tank bonus, a DPS bonus in the form of bonused drones, a range bonus (which is entirely out of character for Gallente, especially when you consider it to be a missile range bonus at that). The Drone bay bonus expands the combat utility and flexability enormously. I understand the idea - to build a combat ready Scouting craft but you have to understand those two tasks are kept seperate for a very good reason. If a single person could effecively probe and gank targets that they find it doens't inspire team play. A ship such as this would find it's home hunting war targets solo, griefing player corps and probably a fair amount of piracy depending upon it's price point. I don't agree with the road your advocating but if the task was given to me to design a basic ruleset I would use a destroyer not a BC. The reason is the Destroyer classic role in warfare is to combat Subs - the epitome of stealth in modern combat. You can give the ship fair amounts of firepower and tanking bonuses and you do not inheritly break combat - the ship would still succumb to heavy combat ready targets but if it could snag and kill cov ops ships and the occasional recon you are fufilling your purpose. If you want a ship that can hunt down and kill most any other ship out there (which is what you essentially advocate - a mini Domi/Big Ishtar with badass probing capabilities) then you're trying to design a solopwnmobile - somethign that I understand the Devs have tried to eradicate for quite some time.
Nikkoli Immortalis Kruoris	Posted - 2008.07.01 18:04:00 - [19] Originally by: Derek Sigres The key problem here is your ship is in fact built for combat more than science. You give a tank bonus, a DPS bonus in the form of bonused drones, a range bonus (which is entirely out of character for Gallente, especially when you consider it to be a missile range bonus at that). The Drone bay bonus expands the combat utility and flexability enormously. I understand the idea - to build a combat ready Scouting craft but you have to understand those two tasks are kept seperate for a very good reason. If a single person could effecively probe and gank targets that they find it doens't inspire team play. A ship such as this would find it's home hunting war targets solo, griefing player corps and probably a fair amount of piracy depending upon it's price point. I don't agree with the road your advocating but if the task was given to me to design a basic ruleset I would use a destroyer not a BC. The reason is the Destroyer classic role in warfare is to combat Subs - the epitome of stealth in modern combat. You can give the ship fair amounts of firepower and tanking bonuses and you do not inheritly break combat - the ship would still succumb to heavy combat ready targets but if it could snag and kill cov ops ships and the occasional recon you are fufilling your purpose. If you want a ship that can hunt down and kill most any other ship out there (which is what you essentially advocate - a mini Domi/Big Ishtar with badass probing capabilities) then you're trying to design a solopwnmobile - somethign that I understand the Devs have tried to eradicate for quite some time. That is why I posted my version of the ship.. Its based on the recon ships that are already available, I just did less guns and less DPS boost and swapped those for scanning. I know that for most plexes, 1 med launcher, 2 med guns and 40m3 of drones wouldn't be enough, but for the smaller ones it would be worth it in my opinion. I agree with your though that Cyver is trying to make too powerful of a ship.
Nekopyat	Posted - 2008.07.01 18:54:00 - [20] Originally by: Dave Deadstar I would think the 60% reduction is a bit high, as with covops 5 you only get 50% reduction. nods I was actually thinking something like the T1 astro frigates so a total reduction of 25%. That would leave the covert ops as the 'best' prober (though why a spy ship is ideal for exploration always seems like a bit of a mis-design) but gives a more 'all in one' solution for those who want it. I am actually getting ready to start exploration and will probably end up just using a normal BC rather then a astro-frigate/Covert ops for just this reason.

Nikkoli Immortalis Kruoris	Posted - 2008.07.02 19:00:00 - [21] CCP: perhaps you could put this in the suggestions forum...


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