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Retributionz
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Posted - 2004.05.18 02:13:00 -
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Ok, the escrow is a big enough mess as it is trying to sort through all the junk, and badly labled stuff to find what your looking for, but when you add in the fact that 1/4 of the stuff is scams it just makes me mad.
I mean, right now escrow kindof sucks because you can't see all the items becasue there isn't that much room, but today when I get on to look for something not only is some of the escrow not shown, but a good portion of the stuff shown is taken up with a scammer named Miss Sixtty with like 30 post of shuttles that have been scamm labled "Armageddons" and "apocs" 
Can't CCP just make escrow scamming a bannable offense so that we can clear away all the junk and see the good stuff?
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Meridius
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Posted - 2004.05.18 02:51:00 -
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Yes, these retarded scammers need to be banned.
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Systemlord
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Posted - 2004.05.18 03:20:00 -
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Clarely miss sixty or something need to get kicked and throw in the 100 - 200mil jovian body part sellers along with it... |
Darrin Tobruk
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Posted - 2004.05.18 03:41:00 -
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I agree. The escrow system needs to be fixed so that people can't put shuttles in for battleships and so on.
I would also suggest different pages for differant items, ie: one escrow page for ships, another for moduals, and so on. If you wanted to pair it down even more, you could have a setup similar to the existing market except you can actually sell the named stuff you get from pirates and missions.
Let's fix escrow or do away with it altogether in favor of having the market accept named stuff.
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Skelator
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Posted - 2004.05.18 04:02:00 -
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Just yesterday i saw some Idiot posting Harvesters in 10 and 50 packs for Outrageous pricing (!5 million for 10 etc etc)
Ad upon closer examination they were Basic Mining drones..
I hope that one day CCP can make it so that the product labeled is the product sold.
Most of these Idiots are just preying on the poor Noob's anyways.
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Schizophrenia
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Posted - 2004.05.18 04:54:00 -
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I think the quickest fix would just to label it Bannable and make an example outta a few dozen scammers
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MacLagavulin
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Posted - 2004.05.18 05:52:00 -
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I agree with most of the statements and want to say, that for me the Escrow is nearly useless since the last changes have been done. Maybe it's because of the new highway that the number of offers you can see in the Escrow now is very much less than it has been before and makes it nearly impossible to find valueable items, except bpc's. No need to say anything about those scammers, it has been said all before. The same people are making stupid orders at the regular market too. It's the same allways and everywhere around the world: If there's a way to betray or cheat it will be done ... it seems to be part of our genetic code and makes me real sad sometimes.
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Shylan
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Posted - 2004.05.18 06:00:00 -
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I totally agree these lame scammers need to be banned from the game all together. CCP bans players for using exploits well in a way these scammers are exploiting a flaw in the Escrow system.
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Lufio II
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Posted - 2004.05.18 07:47:00 -
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Inspect Merchandise before you claim the escrow? I haven't used the system that much yet, and why is offering an Amarr Ship for 500k a scam, even if it's a shuttle? The guy didn't lied at all and if someone wants a shuttle that badly, so be it.
I ran about a few scammers offering 0run BPC on escrow without telling. Again inspection of merchandise shows that, too. One doesn't have to go after the scammers, it's way more efficient to educate the ppl and raise the awareness, so that those 'scammers' won't be able to do their business anymore. They will disappear sooner or later then, beside the ones trying it again, because they think they're the first ones with such an idea.
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F'nog
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Posted - 2004.05.18 07:53:00 -
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Banning people over escrow is stupid. It's not an exploit, though it could be lame.
But they definitely do need to fix it. There should be search options, and settings, just like the map feature, so you can choose what you're looking for at even the most basic level: ships, modules, drones, etc.
If people want to rip off others, or scam them, fine, caveat emptor, but right now it's just a useless morass of too much crap that can't be filtered. It's simply not worth the trouble of checking.
The only time I use escrow is to give/get something from a certain other player, or to speculate on Jovian tech  . Beyond that, it's uselss and not worth the effort.
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2004.05.18 09:18:00 -
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 Originally by: Lufio II
Inspect Merchandise before you claim the escrow?
How does that help us to see the few decent escrow items that don't appear on the list because it's too full of ridiculous scam attempts?
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Iratus Caelestis
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Posted - 2004.05.18 09:47:00 -
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You're right it should be bannable, I also think there should be an option for selling BPC's under a seperate tab.
If I didn't want your first BPC I don't want the 50th one you've listed.
Maybe they need to increase the cost of escrows as well, if it was 10% of selling price it would stop the scammers. You could then refund half the cost of advertising on escrow if it doesn't sell. It would stop the ridiculous overpricing of some items as well.
The downside is it would push some items up in cost at first but the prices would level over time as people would lose the 5% of the item cost should it not sell and so reduce the cost to an pricepoint at which it will sell.
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sutty
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Posted - 2004.05.18 10:33:00 -
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scams are as legal as corp theft... its your own fault for not checking.
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Iratus Caelestis
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Posted - 2004.05.18 10:41:00 -
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As an addendum though, I've never been caught (touch wood) with an escrow scam but have twice paid millions for low level items on the market.
That's mostly because I'm an idiot though.
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Sphalerite
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Posted - 2004.05.18 10:50:00 -
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simple fix... make it so that people you have blocked don't have their escrow stuff show up for you. blacklist the scammers.
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2004.05.18 12:53:00 -
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Originally by: sutty
scams are as legal as corp theft... its your own fault for not checking.
Please stick to the subject under discussions and don't introduce irrelevant arguments.
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sutty
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Posted - 2004.05.18 13:36:00 -
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Baldour Ngarr - stop been a irating troll. the issue is your saying you should be banned for trying to scam somone, iam saying you should not be banned and just be more careful.
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Callia
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Posted - 2004.05.18 13:41:00 -
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Originally by: sutty
scams are as legal as corp theft... its your own fault for not checking.
Well done Sutty for stating the bleedin' obvious.
The problem though is, becausecos most of us are not stupid enough to buy the scams they just sit around clogging up the Escrow until finding stuff worth buying is like hunting for lost supositories in the bog bowl.
The problem is not scams being possible. It is that you cannot filter them out.
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2004.05.18 13:42:00 -
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Originally by: sutty
Baldour Ngarr - stop been a irating troll. the issue is your saying you should be banned for trying to scam somone, iam saying you should not be banned and just be more careful.
Err, no.
I don't care at all about trying to scam someone, and anyone who gets scammed is a fool for not taking proper care. But that is NOT the issue under discussion in this thread.
I care very greatly - and so does the guy who began this thread, who was complaining about *the spam they cause* - that said scam attempts cause "legitimate" escrow missions to disappear off the bottom of the screen. Particularly given that nowadays, when you claim an escrow it TELLS you what you're buying - the scammee gets a message saying "you are about to claim one unit of Shuttle" when he clicks on the so-called apocalypse, so he'd have to be blind three times running to actually fall for this.
It's not because they are attempting to scam people, that we are lodging a complaint. It's because these scam attempts are cluttering up a system with limited space.
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Lachenlaud
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Posted - 2004.05.18 14:03:00 -
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Originally by: Iratus Caelestis
You're right it should be bannable, I also think there should be an option for selling BPC's under a seperate tab.
If I didn't want your first BPC I don't want the 50th one you've listed.
Well, they could allow you to enter items thusly (if BPC's were stackable  ):
Item To Sell / Total Quantity / Qty per Lot / Price per Lot
Description (Defaulted to actual item name)
Restricted: <enter if for anyone>
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That way if someone wanted to sell 50 copies of 1 BPC for 5000 isk each (just an example), they could enter it as:
Widget BPC / Qty: 50 / Lot Qty: 1 / 5,000 isk
BP for a Widget
No Restrictions
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Just a thought...... 
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Anssett
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Posted - 2004.05.18 15:55:00 -
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Originally by: sutty
scams are as legal as corp theft... its your own fault for not checking.
And i have no problem with someone trying it.
However the miss sixxty or whatever has put 25 Battleships for sale and they are all shuttles - not smart and def. an exploit of the escrow market.
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OrbitalEffect
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Posted - 2004.05.18 16:30:00 -
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Edited by: OrbitalEffect on 18/05/2004 16:32:41
Just add a dialog nag box (one which you can't disable) that will pop up just before you claim the escrow. It could say "Before you finalize this purchase, have you inspected the mechandise?" and then give quick instructions on how to inspect.
That would save many newbies from falling victim to this idiot, Miss Sixtty and her ilk.
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Ma'at
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Posted - 2004.05.18 17:44:00 -
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escrow is a pain in the arse with all the scams.
instead of manual description, have it done automatically.
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tomw
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Posted - 2004.05.18 17:50:00 -
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feel free to watch for my escrows tomw and tomw1, they are always exactly as labled i noteced miss sixtty yesterday selling shuttles as battleships along with a whole other host of scams, rip offs, ect. i cant help but wonder how many people do not get there stuff sold as it does not even show on the list because of all the crap. all you can do till ccp decides that this is a problem is inspect, inspect, inspect.
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Brolly
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Posted - 2004.05.18 17:55:00 -
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Why not go with default description of the item as apposed to it being manually entered?, it's simple and crazy but just might work.
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Azguel
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Posted - 2004.05.18 20:29:00 -
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How many people actually buy ships from escrow? i can understand named gear as you can't buy that on market, but all ships are available on the market.
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2004.05.18 20:34:00 -
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Originally by: Azguel
How many people actually buy ships from escrow? i can understand named gear as you can't buy that on market, but all ships are available on the market.
Costs a seller 350k, or something, to sell a hefty battleship on the market. Costs 850ISK to sell it on escrow. You do the math.
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Azguel
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Posted - 2004.05.18 20:43:00 -
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Originally by: Baldour Ngarr
Costs a seller 350k, or something, to sell a hefty battleship on the market. Costs 850ISK to sell it on escrow. You do the math.
ok, i guess you can tell i only buy stuff on market and don't build yet, hehe. my bad
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Expert Newbie
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Posted - 2004.05.18 21:50:00 -
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Quickest fix would be to list the item name instead of allowing the sellers to type in a name, as was suggested on the Idea forum. However I don't know how much work it would take to program this fix...
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Retributionz
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Posted - 2004.05.19 00:11:00 -
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Originally by: sutty
scams are as legal as corp theft... its your own fault for not checking.
Dude did you read the post?
I didn't fall for this stuff and no one with a clue is "not checking"
The escrow is Spammed with this junk. Miss Sixtty took up over 50% of the escrow with totally scams
Tons the legit people had there stuff not shown because people like her junk it up with trash.
Make escrow scam spamming bannable.
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YuuKnow
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Posted - 2004.05.19 00:30:00 -
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Maybe the fee should be higher, that would keep people from using it unless there legit. Say........10k isk?
Of course that would make everyone hesitate to use it too, not just the scammers
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EvilDoomer
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Posted - 2004.05.19 16:00:00 -
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Maybe CCP should come up with a Court system.
Of players with a law skill and then bring people to a trial of real players NOT CCP 
Put peeps on trial............
If then there should be some kind of fine or something.
Or something like that.
For peeps that are scammers or criminals........
if found guilty put a -5 on them or something.
Then the community could punish
that person.
Thanks
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Bad Harlequin
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Posted - 2004.05.19 16:05:00 -
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Originally by: Lufio II
Inspect Merchandise before you claim the escrow? I haven't used the system that much yet, and why is offering an Amarr Ship for 500k a scam, even if it's a shuttle? The guy didn't lied at all and if someone wants a shuttle that badly, so be it.
right. that's not the guy we're talking about, tho.
The point is to look for something, strain the alread-speedy database system with "inspect item" for every damn thing, get info on every damn thing, realize someone's just being a jerk, and move on to next item, repeat process 30 more times.
If you're selling a shuttle why can't the listing simply unchangeably start with SHUTTLE ffs, if you selling an APOC, the descrip SAYS so.. what a novel concept
if you're selling a bunch of stuff the mouseover for list of internal contents, maybe. Or something less diskspinny if that's a bigger drain.
There's LOTS of logical reasons to change the escrow system and none whatsoever for keeping it as is, with the one exception being simply that CCP would rather allow one more potential avenue for scammers as "part of the game," even tho the simple mechanics of it are laggy and annoying and time-consuming with no one being fooled 95% of the time.
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