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DJ Geist	Posted - 2008.07.02 01:04:00 - [1] I'm curious. If we take the actual number of registered users, subtract idle/expired trial accounts, subtract alts (or hazard an educated guess) how big is the remaining eve community? How many indicidual persons playing the game somewhat regularly?
Wave Nagai Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.07.02 01:11:00 - [2] Like, maybe.... 2,000?
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Umbra Synergy Final Retribution Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.02 01:13:00 - [3] they dont count expired accounts in the "current" subscribers numbers, as they are, ya know, not current Originally by: Cecil Montague They should change that warning on entering low sec to: "Go read Crime and Punishment for a few days then come back."
Shoukei Caldari Boobs Ahoy	Posted - 2008.07.02 01:21:00 - [4] i think that we can safely assume there is about 4 alt accounts per 1 person.
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Umbra Synergy Final Retribution Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.02 01:23:00 - [5] nah nah everyone has 12 accounts, its a documented fact Originally by: Cecil Montague They should change that warning on entering low sec to: "Go read Crime and Punishment for a few days then come back."
Amastat Caldari Omegatech	Posted - 2008.07.02 01:27:00 - [6] 200,000 ? One of the QEN reports around the Holiday season of '07 Said basically what you are saying - but I don't know what it was now. I think back then, it was said ther was 180,000 active subscribers, plus several hundred thousand active trial accounts that could become potential full accounts, or something like that. I'll look it up and post what it says here... though it is out of date, it could give you some light on the answer to your question. ____________________ "All warfare is based on deception... we must seem unable...seem inactive...and crush him " - Sun Tzu
Khrillian Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.07.02 01:27:00 - [7] Originally by: Wave Nagai Like, maybe.... 2,000? QFT "I QUIT AND IM TAKING MY 99 ALTS WITH ME"
Amastat Caldari Omegatech	Posted - 2008.07.02 01:33:00 - [8] Edited by: Amastat on 02/07/2008 01:35:31 Edited by: Amastat on 02/07/2008 01:33:53 Here is what the November 2007 QEN report said: Page 4, Paragraph 1, line 2. Today there are more than 195,000 accounts, which represents 433,000 characters, or 2.2 characters per account. It is estimated that the population of EVE will have reached 200,000 by mid-Q4 2007, and will be well into 210,000 by Q1 2008. In addition to these acocounts, there are another 45,000 trial accounts that could potentially become part of the society in the near future. So - anytime CCP is saying, we have X amount of accounts in EVE, they are not including trial accoutns - this much we know. Right now we are in Q2 2008, right? ____________________ "All warfare is based on deception... we must seem unable...seem inactive...and crush him " - Sun Tzu
Khrillian Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.07.02 01:40:00 - [9] I think there was an estimate a long time ago that each unique user has around 2 accounts, although I'm not sure. Also, of those 45,000 trial accounts, maybe 5,000 are considering joining. I'd bet the 40,000 others are gold farmer alt spammers or just regular players who don't want to pay for a second account if they have a second machine and want a **** alt scout.
Spoon Thumb Paladin Imperium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.02 01:46:00 - [10] Those 200k are accounts, not people. If I had to guess / judging from my alliance, I'd say about 1 in 3 players (real humans) have 1 account only, and of the 2/3'rds who have multiple accounts, I'd guess the average number of accounts would be 2.5 So very rough guessing and the 200k becomes 200k / ( 2.5 x0.66666 + 1 x0.3333) =~ 100k actual players
Amastat Caldari Omegatech	Posted - 2008.07.02 01:51:00 - [11] Edited by: Amastat on 02/07/2008 01:52:36 Originally by: Spoon Thumb Those 200k are accounts, not people. If I had to guess / judging from my alliance, I'd say about 1 in 3 players (real humans) have 1 account only, and of the 2/3'rds who have multiple accounts, I'd guess the average number of accounts would be 2.5 So very rough guessing and the 200k becomes 200k / ( 2.5 x0.66666 + 1 x0.3333) =~ 100k actual players Yea - but that's all we know, any official data at least. We can't ever find out how many people, there's no way to find that out accuractly for this many people, but I just offered to the OP what I know that could actually help with his pondering. If anything, we can be thankful its more accurate than other games - like WoW in example. They exaggerate about how many people they have playing to the point where it's hilarious. ____________________ "All warfare is based on deception... we must seem unable...seem inactive...and crush him " - Sun Tzu
Siberys	Posted - 2008.07.02 01:57:00 - [12] Originally by: Tortun Nahme nah nah everyone has 12 accounts, its a documented fact WTF? I doubt most people spend 180$ a month on a game, even one as awesome as EVE.
Amastat Caldari Omegatech	Posted - 2008.07.02 02:05:00 - [13] Originally by: Siberys Originally by: Tortun Nahme nah nah everyone has 12 accounts, its a documented fact WTF? I doubt most people spend 180$ a month on a game, even one as awesome as EVE. That is real exaggerated - I only have 1 account, and I'm still considering getting a second - and have been for a few months, but havn't yet. I've only probably ever met 3 people in my life in EVE that are absolute nuts and own like 5 or more accounts - and they were all traders who were filthy rich and paid for all or most of their accounts with GTC's. ____________________ "All warfare is based on deception... we must seem unable...seem inactive...and crush him " - Sun Tzu
Liang Nuren Perkone	Posted - 2008.07.02 02:12:00 - [14] Originally by: Spoon Thumb Those 200k are accounts, not people. If I had to guess / judging from my alliance, I'd say about 1 in 3 players (real humans) have 1 account only, and of the 2/3'rds who have multiple accounts, I'd guess the average number of accounts would be 2.5 So very rough guessing and the 200k becomes 200k / ( 2.5 x0.66666 + 1 x0.3333) =~ 100k actual players I'd say that this is a very accurate way to look at it, though I think it's a bit low. I'd say 40-60% of Eve players have only one account (though I do suspect that 2.5-3 accounts is accurate for people with multiple accounts). 0.0 is known to be for the "hardcore" players, and that might account for the "2/3rds have more than one account" phenomenon. -Liang -- It was an honor to participate in the Insurgency campaign in Branch. o7 to all involved.
Hyoid Minmatar	Posted - 2008.07.02 02:17:00 - [15] My pet monkey plays. Would that count as 1 account or just .5?
Amastat Caldari Omegatech	Posted - 2008.07.02 02:19:00 - [16] Originally by: Hyoid My pet monkey plays. Would that count as 1 account or just .5? By Goonswarm standards? 2. ____________________ "All warfare is based on deception... we must seem unable...seem inactive...and crush him " - Sun Tzu
Amastat Caldari Omegatech	Posted - 2008.07.02 02:20:00 - [17] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Spoon Thumb Those 200k are accounts, not people. If I had to guess / judging from my alliance, I'd say about 1 in 3 players (real humans) have 1 account only, and of the 2/3'rds who have multiple accounts, I'd guess the average number of accounts would be 2.5 So very rough guessing and the 200k becomes 200k / ( 2.5 x0.66666 + 1 x0.3333) =~ 100k actual players I'd say that this is a very accurate way to look at it, though I think it's a bit low. I'd say 40-60% of Eve players have only one account (though I do suspect that 2.5-3 accounts is accurate for people with multiple accounts). 0.0 is known to be for the "hardcore" players, and that might account for the "2/3rds have more than one account" phenomenon. -Liang I think that is a longshot from what it really is, but is the most accurate guess anyone has made here so far. That would mean that approximatly 1/3 of the actual population in EVE is on at all times on average. ____________________ "All warfare is based on deception... we must seem unable...seem inactive...and crush him " - Sun Tzu
F'nog Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Celestial Industrial Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.02 04:38:00 - [18] IT'S OVER 9000! Old, but I've dearly wanted to use it for a long while. Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said Originally by: Chribba Go F'nog! You're a hero! Not a Zero! /me bows
Feng Schui Minmatar Ghost Festival	Posted - 2008.07.02 04:49:00 - [19] I, for one, would like them to publish their Active Subscriber base as of the day before they changed the GTC's, to 3 months after this fiasco.. I'm guestimating, 50k less active subscriptions personally. If thats the case, CCP has just lost $997,500 USD per month ($19.95 per player, per month)... Brilliant marketing strategy tbh. Project:Gank Pilgrim Guide
Lakche	Posted - 2008.07.02 05:00:00 - [20] Brilliant math job you did there, too.
Mallikanth Minmatar Fallem Angels	Posted - 2008.07.02 06:54:00 - [21] I'm unique and I'm told I'm a person. Do I count? (Probably not )
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2008.07.02 06:57:00 - [22] trails don't count towards the current 260,000. also most people play for 3 hours so with an adverge of 30,000 players on at a time that is about 240,000 accounts log in a day. but I'd guess more like 200,000 people paying for eve log in a day because the current online counts trails and I'd say that makes it about 160,000 players considering the 5% that has more than 1 account.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2008.07.02 06:59:00 - [23] Edited by: MotherMoon on 02/07/2008 07:00:02 Originally by: Khrillian I think there was an estimate a long time ago that each unique user has around 2 accounts, although I'm not sure. Also, of those 45,000 trial accounts, maybe 5,000 are considering joining. I'd bet the 40,000 others are gold farmer alt spammers or just regular players who don't want to pay for a second account if they have a second machine and want a **** alt scout. Quick fact based on cerdit cards and GCT the last eco blog stated 5% of the playerbase has more than 1 account. EDIT:however these people I would guess 50% have more than 2 accounts and 20% have up to 4 :P so they count for more than 5% of the community.
Jinx Barker GFB Scientific	Posted - 2008.07.02 07:01:00 - [24] I am not a unique person - I am a meat popsicle.
Rivqua Caldari Omega Wing	Posted - 2008.07.02 07:15:00 - [25] Originally by: Feng Schui I, for one, would like them to publish their Active Subscriber base as of the day before they changed the GTC's, to 3 months after this fiasco.. I'm guestimating, 50k less active subscriptions personally. If thats the case, CCP has just lost $997,500 USD per month ($19.95 per player, per month)... Brilliant marketing strategy tbh. But that was the issue, noone was paying $19.95 cuz they were using GTC, they were paying more in the neighbourhood of $12.6, and thats about Ç8, so even with your totally exaggerated number of 50k, thats "only" Ç400k / month, which most of was paying for bandwith costs anyway. On the other hand, looking statistically, this kind of change would at most (and this is huge figure in marketing circles) make 5% leave. /Riv
Melor Rend	Posted - 2008.07.02 07:48:00 - [26] If I look at my corp, alliance and other people I know in EVE then I'd have to estimate that at least 50% of the "subscribers" are alts. I only know two people that play EVE seriously/regularly that do not have at least two (if not more) accounts. I'd estimate about 100k unique people are subscribed but that could be way off.
Shintai Gallente Balad Naran Orbital Shipyards	Posted - 2008.07.02 08:59:00 - [27] 125-150000 unique players. Rest is second accounts. -------------------------------------- Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry
Adonis 4174	Posted - 2008.07.02 09:00:00 - [28] Don't think I'm unique. I'm just another suit. ---- Infiniband can do more than just prevent lag
Zinras Caldari Order of draugr	Posted - 2008.07.02 09:10:00 - [29] Originally by: Feng Schui I, for one, would like them to publish their Active Subscriber base as of the day before they changed the GTC's, to 3 months after this fiasco.. I'm guestimating, 50k less active subscriptions personally. If thats the case, CCP has just lost $997,500 USD per month ($19.95 per player, per month)... Brilliant marketing strategy tbh. Your idiocy is mind boggling. However, since you're so unhappy, feel free to contract your stuff to me and leave Originally by: CCP Greyscale moderated - mother abuse - Mitnal CCP's best friend
ShadowMaiden Amarr Metal Machine	Posted - 2008.07.02 11:29:00 - [30] Originally by: Siberys Originally by: Tortun Nahme nah nah everyone has 12 accounts, its a documented fact WTF? I doubt most people spend 180$ a month on a game, even one as awesome as EVE. Of course they would, how do you think certain alliances got so powerful? It certainly wasn't merit. What you have to remember is that to many people, EvE is serious business and they'll spend whatever it takes to ensure they are better than you (be it multiple accounts or GTC selling). That's why certain alliances will never be taken down, they've invested too much time and RL money, ergo, they can't walk away from EvE at the drop of a hat, their egos and bank account simply won't let them. I wish I was a 3ft Doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes

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