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Reven Cordelle
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Posted - 2008.07.02 10:12:00 -
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A short while back, I was buzzing around some COSMOS sites looking to hack some cans.
Being lazy, i grabbed a surplus blackbird, slapped an average fitting to it, including a cloak.
Upon warping into the general area, i notice many battleships.. which was fine. I warp in.. slap the cloak on. I'm supposedly undetectable. Whilst drifting about I relay some information to fleetmates saying I could do with a bit of pew.
The nearest enemy is 22km away, its a frigate. The frigate then locks me and starts shooting at me, at which point I decloak and i'm made obvious to every battleship in the room. Hold on.. I was cloaked.
Blackbird didn't last long, but its not that part that bothered me.
I thought that when cloaked, and providing you werent within 5000m (or 2000m? i forget) of something, you were essentially "not there" and you didnt show on the overview.
How the hell can rats pull me out of cloak 22km away?
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Cadde
Gallente
L.M.F.A.O
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Posted - 2008.07.02 10:14:00 -
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Maybe they de-synced?
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Beef Hardslab
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
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Posted - 2008.07.02 10:22:00 -
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That's nothing - I was once killed by rats while afk inside POS shields.
Petition got it back, except the loot that dropped of course. I still miss that officer smartbomb. 
Why there should be a breathalyzer to login to Eve:
 Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii
Podding my own alt in a gatecamp while drunk, he was carrying a hauler full of tech II goods, Oops.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.07.02 10:23:00 -
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Some NPC, including Concord, but not only them, can see you even if cloaked.
Usually they are in level 4 missions, but probably in Cosmos missions too. Then a lot of missions have gas cloud blocking the cloak function.
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Ralara
Caldari
Vivicide
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Posted - 2008.07.02 10:29:00 -
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Petition it. I think it's a bit of a bug - I've noticed before when cloaked in an asteroid field awaiting my prey, the NPCs seem to start heading towards my ship - not at MWD speed but they head directly towards me at 200-500 meters a second.
Quite odd.
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Foulque
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Posted - 2008.07.02 10:42:00 -
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Originally by: Ralara
Petition it. I think it's a bit of a bug - I've noticed before when cloaked in an asteroid field awaiting my prey, the NPCs seem to start heading towards my ship - not at MWD speed but they head directly towards me at 200-500 meters a second.
Quite odd.
I noticed this yesterday too
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prsr
Gallente
JuBa Corp
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2008.07.02 10:50:00 -
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Don't know about missions, but when I'm scouting around cloaked and sometimes sitting 100km or more away from a gate or belt, I've seen npc's spawn near my ship (20km - 40km away) instead of around the belt or gate where I'm at. They don't lock me or move towards me but when hostiles warp to that gate or belt they'll notice the odd location of the npc's and they could have a rough idea of where I'm spying from, or was :)
Not a big issue really, and CCP is working on some way to make it easier to detect cloakers if they are not in the proper recons or covert-ops ships. So the empires and npc's are just ahead of us capsuleers in this respect.
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northwesten
Amarr
Trinity Corporate Services
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Posted - 2008.07.02 10:50:00 -
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oh know sounds like the NPC made a break though on the tech side to hunt Cloakers 
Trinity Corporate Services
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mingmin
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Posted - 2008.07.02 11:08:00 -
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A number of things can de cloak you that you cant see, bio mass and sometimes gas clouds, i've been caught out a few times with the bio mass on gates de cloaked me as i was heading to the gate. dont imagine theres alot of biomass in the cosmos, but could be something along these lines.
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Franga
NQX Innovations
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Posted - 2008.07.02 11:13:00 -
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I like to add a dash of cloaking to me salads. Maybe some pepper. You should never, however, mix pepper with either API or cloaking. Mmkay?
Originally by: Rachel Vend
... with 100% reliability in most cases ...
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Julio Torres
Phantom Squad
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Posted - 2008.07.02 11:26:00 -
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Lost a Pilgrim this way a very long time ago.
The NPC's cant lock you or see the ship, but they will approaches your location. If you sit still, they will uncloak you.
Move slightly and they will zoom by.
My ship was reimbursed.
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Julio Torres
Phantom Squad
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Posted - 2008.07.02 11:27:00 -
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Edited by: Julio Torres on 02/07/2008 11:27:10
Originally by: mingmin
A number of things can de cloak you that you cant see, bio mass and sometimes gas clouds, i've been caught out a few times with the bio mass on gates de cloaked me as i was heading to the gate. dont imagine theres alot of biomass in the cosmos, but could be something along these lines.
Biomass and cans wont uncloak you anymore \o/
But you cant recloak close to them /o\
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John Tasker
Naval Protection Corp
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.07.02 11:31:00 -
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Edited by: John Tasker on 02/07/2008 11:31:42
The cluster is getting smarter and learning new ways to kill players after years of slaughtering it`spirates o.O
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Jabezhane
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Posted - 2008.07.02 15:12:00 -
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I had this a couple of weeks ago. Decided to train up some exploration skills and went out looking. Stayed cloaked the whole time. I found a spot and warped to it cloaked at about 30km away.
Came out of warp and within 5 or so seconds the rats were targetting and coming towards me.
They were stil 25+km away.
Bizzare.
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Tyrantus
Amarr
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.07.02 16:57:00 -
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Originally by: Julio Torres
Lost a Pilgrim this way a very long time ago.
The NPC's cant lock you or see the ship, but they will approaches your location. If you sit still, they will uncloak you.
Move slightly and they will zoom by.
My ship was reimbursed.
/this
Do not sit cloaked in or near anyplace that spawns rats. Lost a Cheeta due to this and almost lost another the same way. Little buggers spawned directly on me as I was sitting nearly 400km away from a belt. However if you keep constant motion they leave you alone. I've also noticed that if your late initiating cloak in a belt that already has rats you will cloak but the rats will finish locking you up and decloak you. Must be a stealth nerf to afk cloakers.
Originally by: Tzujeih
Quick, somebody other than myself, make my decisions for me!
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Princess Jodi
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.02 17:17:00 -
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Well, there are several reports which indicate that something different is going on. I haven't personally experienced them yet.
COSMOS missions in 0.0 frequently have Gas Clouds or other means which decloak you on warp-in. Please check if something as simple as this is decloaking you.
The one pilot who reported that a frig locked him from 22k away while he was cloaked...that's pretty hard to explain if you truly have stated what occurred.
While I would totally approve of CCP finding a way to combat afk cloakers, I kinda doubt the NPC's would be involved in that effort.
I'll watch this thread and pay close attention to my own cloaked activities to see if I can add anything to this discussion. For now, all I see is a few people reporting new and odd behavior from NPC's. Obviously, I've seen lots of that before, like when a gate spawn followed my transport to my POS and sat there trying to get thru the POS shields for an hour.
Reserving judgement on what is actually occurring, but its an interesting subject.
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Leviathan9
Gallente
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2008.07.02 18:53:00 -
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Originally by: Reven Cordelle
A short while back, I was buzzing around some COSMOS sites looking to hack some cans.
Being lazy, i grabbed a surplus blackbird, slapped an average fitting to it, including a cloak.
Upon warping into the general area, i notice many battleships.. which was fine. I warp in.. slap the cloak on. I'm supposedly undetectable. Whilst drifting about I relay some information to fleetmates saying I could do with a bit of pew.
The nearest enemy is 22km away, its a frigate. The frigate then locks me and starts shooting at me, at which point I decloak and i'm made obvious to every battleship in the room. Hold on.. I was cloaked.
Blackbird didn't last long, but its not that part that bothered me.
I thought that when cloaked, and providing you werent within 5000m (or 2000m? i forget) of something, you were essentially "not there" and you didnt show on the overview.
How the hell can rats pull me out of cloak 22km away?
i went afk in a belt in an ishtar cloaked in 0.0, around 60km from anything, i come back 5mins later after getting a drink and rats had killed me...
Moral of the story, don't cloak with rats nearby...
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Aeo IV
Amarr
Xomic OmniCorporation
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Posted - 2008.07.02 19:33:00 -
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Originally by: Princess Jodi
The one pilot who reported that a frig locked him from 22k away while he was cloaked...that's pretty hard to explain if you truly have stated what occurred.
All ships, NPC or otherwise are undoubtedly aware of the existence of cloaked ships when they're on the same grid; all the cloak does is make it appear that the ship isn't their.
I wouldn't be surprised if their is a mistake in the AI programing of NPCs which allows them to see and respond to cloaked ships, even if they're not suppose to.
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