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Hexus Draidin
Intersteller Masons Wonder Kids
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Posted - 2012.03.14 19:27:00 -
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Watch out! We got an idealist over here! |

Grumpy Owly
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Posted - 2012.03.14 19:31:00 -
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For those interested and thinking your overwhelmed by the volume of candidates or amount of debate.
There is a useful tool called Vote Match that can help to look at significant points and views the candidates may have.
You may still want to look at details further and ask specific questions of the candidates of course, but it may help as a tool to narrow down candidates to a shortlist to research. Bounty Hunting for CSM 7
Stop EvE Apathy |

Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2012.03.14 19:32:00 -
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Grumpy Owly wrote:For those interested and thinking your overwhelmed by the volume of candidates or amount of debate. There is a useful tool called Vote Match that can help to look at significant points and views the candidates may have. You may still want to look at details further and ask specific questions of the candidates of course, but it may help as a tool to narrow down candidates to a shortlist to research.
A vote for Mittani is a vote for freedom!
CFC: Coalition for Freedom of Choice!
Mittani is literally The Jesus. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |

Fredfredbug4
Kings of Kill EVE Animal Control
88
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Posted - 2012.03.14 20:10:00 -
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I for one liked the last CSM. They stopped the game from turning into Barbie INNN SPAAACE! which was really never that bad, but was unnecessary and pretty much useless. EVE needs more updates like Crucible. Stuff that actually betters how the game plays
Of course why do we need CSM if we can just voice our opinions on the forums or other mediums? The problem with that comes from the fact that there are two completely different and very large groups in EVE. The PVP community and the hi-sec Carebear community. Because of people having multiple accounts, each with multiple characters, it is very easy to inflate one side and make it look like more people share a certain opinion than meets the eye.
What the CSM gives us is the ability to pick someone that shares the same opinions as we do, and vote for them. Because votes are restricted to one per account, the numbers aren't inflated as much and CCP can more accurately see what the popular opinions are and base the game's future off of that.
Refusing to vote for CSM is pretty much the same as not sharing your opinion. If you hate something, then vote for someone that hates it too! Not voting just gives CCP the wrong ideas of what people want which causes them to make the decisions that we all ***** about in the forums.
Plus, I like all the chaos and tear inducing things that exist in EVE! A corp scam you? Then join as an alt and steal their stuff! People attacking your mining op? Recruit others and take the fight to them! All of the crazy things that can happen in EVE are what makes the game fun. Knowing you can be on top of the world one day and then easily booted to the bottom keeps people alert and more willing to log in every day to make sure that such a thing never happens. If EVE had no betrayal and bullying then EVE would be just another MMO. |

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1893
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Posted - 2012.03.14 20:25:00 -
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Grumpy Owly wrote: There is more to EvE than just one issue.
Then Mittens is the candidate for you! He's the only one who hasn't tried to rally people around a single issue to get elected. People obsessing over a single issue is what made CSMs 1-5 so ineffective. It wasn't until CSM 6 that they decided to present a united front and actually got CCP to listen to reason.
Why anybody would want to go back to CSMs 1-5 where nothing got accomplished makes no sense. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Grumpy Owly
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Posted - 2012.03.14 20:32:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Grumpy Owly wrote: There is more to EvE than just one issue.
Then Mittens is the candidate for you! He's the only one who hasn't tried to rally people around a single issue to get elected. People obsessing over a single issue is what made CSMs 1-5 so ineffective. It wasn't until CSM 6 that they decided to present a united front and actually got CCP to listen to reason. Why anybody would want to go back to CSMs 1-5 where nothing got accomplished makes no sense.
So interesting that you now collectively support the works as the whole of the CSM 6, yet my objections are leveled or intended to be leveled at one candidate.
Here's an interesting opinion on the efforts of Mittens where as a result there seems to be more than one aspect of apathy or laziness that might need to be prevented as a result for CSM7.  Bounty Hunting for CSM 7
Stop EvE Apathy |

Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
135
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Posted - 2012.03.14 20:51:00 -
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Grumpy Owly wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Grumpy Owly wrote: There is more to EvE than just one issue.
Then Mittens is the candidate for you! He's the only one who hasn't tried to rally people around a single issue to get elected. People obsessing over a single issue is what made CSMs 1-5 so ineffective. It wasn't until CSM 6 that they decided to present a united front and actually got CCP to listen to reason. Why anybody would want to go back to CSMs 1-5 where nothing got accomplished makes no sense. So interesting that you now collectively support the works as the whole of the CSM 6, yet my objections are leveled or intended to be leveled at one candidate. Here's an interesting opinion on the efforts of Mittens where as a result there seems to be more than one aspect of apathy or laziness that might need to be prevented as a result for CSM7. 
You don't campaign against one specific candidate if you want things to get done the way you want them.
You campaign for somebody.
Where is your wisdom now? You're so apathetic you won't even pick a candidate to support.
So what you do is encourage people to split their voites and help the guy you didn't want in there in the first place.
All in a thread purporting that the CSM should be abolished?
Genius. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |

Grumpy Owly
326
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Posted - 2012.03.14 20:59:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote:Grumpy Owly wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Grumpy Owly wrote: There is more to EvE than just one issue.
Then Mittens is the candidate for you! He's the only one who hasn't tried to rally people around a single issue to get elected. People obsessing over a single issue is what made CSMs 1-5 so ineffective. It wasn't until CSM 6 that they decided to present a united front and actually got CCP to listen to reason. Why anybody would want to go back to CSMs 1-5 where nothing got accomplished makes no sense. So interesting that you now collectively support the works as the whole of the CSM 6, yet my objections are leveled or intended to be leveled at one candidate. Here's an interesting opinion on the efforts of Mittens where as a result there seems to be more than one aspect of apathy or laziness that might need to be prevented as a result for CSM7.  You don't campaign against one specific candidate if you want things to get done the way you want them. You campaign for somebody. Where is your wisdom now? You're so apathetic you won't even pick a candidate to support. So what you do is encourage people to split their voites and help the guy you didn't want in there in the first place. All in a thread purporting that the CSM should be abolished? Genius.
I have voted. The priviledge of the ballot box affords non-disclosure.
I simply encourage people to vote not how to vote, already stated this.
I would have thought it obvious that a "stop apathy" position actually supported the democratic process of the CSM as its trying to encourage effective representation. As such its a view supporting the CSM electorate process and as such the CSM based on the results. Anyone with a modicum of intelligence could connect the dots on this one. Bounty Hunting for CSM 7
Stop EvE Apathy |

Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
135
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Posted - 2012.03.14 21:01:00 -
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Grumpy Owly wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:Grumpy Owly wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Grumpy Owly wrote: There is more to EvE than just one issue.
Then Mittens is the candidate for you! He's the only one who hasn't tried to rally people around a single issue to get elected. People obsessing over a single issue is what made CSMs 1-5 so ineffective. It wasn't until CSM 6 that they decided to present a united front and actually got CCP to listen to reason. Why anybody would want to go back to CSMs 1-5 where nothing got accomplished makes no sense. So interesting that you now collectively support the works as the whole of the CSM 6, yet my objections are leveled or intended to be leveled at one candidate. Here's an interesting opinion on the efforts of Mittens where as a result there seems to be more than one aspect of apathy or laziness that might need to be prevented as a result for CSM7.  You don't campaign against one specific candidate if you want things to get done the way you want them. You campaign for somebody. Where is your wisdom now? You're so apathetic you won't even pick a candidate to support. So what you do is encourage people to split their voites and help the guy you didn't want in there in the first place. All in a thread purporting that the CSM should be abolished? Genius. I have voted. The priviledge of the ballot box affords non-disclosure. I simply encourage people to vote not how to vote, already stated this. I would have thought it obvious that a "stop apathy" position actually supported the democratic process of the CSM as its trying to encourage effective representation. As such its a view supporting the CSM electorate process and as such the CSM based on the results. Anyone with a modicum of intelligence could connect the dots on this one.
OK so you support the CSM...so you support Mittani.
Glad we cleared that up. It's a good thing for those modica of intelligences. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |

Grumpy Owly
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Posted - 2012.03.14 21:11:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote: OK so you support the CSM...so you support Mittani.
Glad we cleared that up. It's a good thing for those modica of intelligences.
If Mittens gets elected to the CSM I wll accept it.
I do not support what he stands for however. Considering that I have declared this above with the use of the english language might provide some direct evidence to this view. But feel free to manipulate and interpret my views for me from your own point of view completing neglecting my stance. After all this is primarly how Mittens enacts his political views anyhow I guess. Bounty Hunting for CSM 7
Stop EvE Apathy |

Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
157
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Posted - 2012.03.14 21:19:00 -
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Things to look for in the winter release, because new CSM won't have much time to impact the summer release
1. T2 production removed from high sec 2. All ice mining removed from high sec 3. Significant reduction on high sec incursion and mission ISK generation capabilities 4. Wormhole ABC ores removed 5. More changes to wh mechanics making it easier to attack/more difficult to defend wormhole pocket colonies 6. Improvements in high sec ganking capabilities
Bottom line, this CSM will be dominated even more by null sec power blocs, and just look at their track record
1. High sec ice interdiction: Goons 2. Recent Hulkageddon: Primarily one Goon Corp 3. High Sec Incursion interdiction: Orchestrated by Darius III of Brick Squad and other null sec zealots (though I have no idea why they did, since most high sec incursion runners are alts of null sec players) 4. Current CSM made comments months ago about wishing to remove ABC ores from wormhole pockets
This new crew will do everything they can to move CCP in the direction of making high sec/ wormhole life unpleasant Their ultimate goal is to make high sec life not even not economically viable. It will take awhile, but the CSM will keep pushing that way
BTW, I voted for a candidate that I felt might champion the high sec lifestyle. And further, since I started playing in May 2008, I have spent over half my time living in wormholes, low and null sec. |

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1893
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Posted - 2012.03.14 21:21:00 -
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Grumpy Owly wrote:For those interested and thinking your overwhelmed by the volume of candidates or amount of debate. There is a useful tool called Vote Match that can help to look at significant points and views the candidates may have. You may still want to look at details further and ask specific questions of the candidates of course, but it may help as a tool to narrow down candidates to a shortlist to research.
That "tool" wasn't developed by a disinterested third party and its results are not to be trusted.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1893
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Posted - 2012.03.14 21:23:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:1. High sec ice interdiction: Goons 2. Recent Hulkageddon: Primarily one Goon Corp 3. High Sec Incursion interdiction: Orchestrated by Darius III of Brick Squad and other null sec zealots (though I have no idea why they did, since most high sec incursion runners are alts of null sec players)
None of these things have anything to do with the CSM. They are actions taken by individual corps or alliances.
Quote:4. Current CSM made comments months ago about wishing to remove ABC ores from wormhole pockets
Go read the actual minutes. It was CCP who brought up the idea of removing ABC ores from wormholes. Not the CSM. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
477
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Posted - 2012.03.14 21:28:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Bottom line, this CSM will be dominated even more by null sec power blocs, and just look at their track record
1. High sec ice interdiction: Goons 2. Recent Hulkageddon: Primarily one Goon Corp 3. High Sec Incursion interdiction: Orchestrated by Darius III of Brick Squad and other null sec zealots (though I have no idea why they did, since most high sec incursion runners are alts of null sec players) In counter argument let's list all the in-game events created by highsec blocs
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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
157
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Posted - 2012.03.14 21:38:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:1. High sec ice interdiction: Goons 2. Recent Hulkageddon: Primarily one Goon Corp 3. High Sec Incursion interdiction: Orchestrated by Darius III of Brick Squad and other null sec zealots (though I have no idea why they did, since most high sec incursion runners are alts of null sec players) None of these things have anything to do with the CSM. They are actions taken by individual corps or alliances. Quote:4. Current CSM made comments months ago about wishing to remove ABC ores from wormhole pockets Go read the actual minutes. It was CCP who brought up the idea of removing ABC ores from wormholes. Not the CSM.
The leader of the goons who sanctioned at least 2 of these 3 high sec attacks is the same guy leading the current CSM and is expected to lead it again. Yet you expect anyone to believe that he will suddenly leave that anti-high sec attitude at the door when it comes to plotting the future of Eve. Suuuurrrrre....we all believe that.
As for the ABC ores in wormholes, I read the minutes and the myriad posts about it months ago. Does not matter how you want to spin it, null sec blocs want to weaken anything to do with wormhole groups, and this was one of the ways you/goons/CSM targeted wormhole groups. |

Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
135
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Posted - 2012.03.14 21:42:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:1. High sec ice interdiction: Goons 2. Recent Hulkageddon: Primarily one Goon Corp 3. High Sec Incursion interdiction: Orchestrated by Darius III of Brick Squad and other null sec zealots (though I have no idea why they did, since most high sec incursion runners are alts of null sec players) None of these things have anything to do with the CSM. They are actions taken by individual corps or alliances. Quote:4. Current CSM made comments months ago about wishing to remove ABC ores from wormhole pockets Go read the actual minutes. It was CCP who brought up the idea of removing ABC ores from wormholes. Not the CSM. The leader of the goons who sanctioned at least 2 of these 3 high sec attacks is the same guy leading the current CSM and is expected to lead it again. Yet you expect anyone to believe that he will suddenly leave that anti-high sec attitude at the door when it comes to plotting the future of Eve. Suuuurrrrre....we all believe that. As for the ABC ores in wormholes, I read the minutes and the myriad posts about it months ago. Does not matter how you want to spin it, null sec blocs want to weaken anything to do with wormhole groups, and this was one of the ways you/goons/CSM targeted wormhole groups.
High-sec is a bloated joke and deserves to be targeted by everyone. As for wormholers?
Another way we target them is with our points, webs, drones, and guns. Everytime they plop out of the little mirrored ball and into our space. We also deliberately collapse their wormholes after a rigorous spanking.
What's your point, TBH? He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
227
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Posted - 2012.03.14 21:56:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote:As for wormholers?
Another way we target them is with our points, webs, drones, and guns. Everytime they plop out of the little mirrored ball and into our space. We also deliberately collapse their wormholes after a vigorous spanking.
What's your point, TBH? Wow, does anyone get trapped on their side of the wormhole when it collapses? Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |

Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
137
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Posted - 2012.03.14 22:00:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:As for wormholers?
Another way we target them is with our points, webs, drones, and guns. Everytime they plop out of the little mirrored ball and into our space. We also deliberately collapse their wormholes after a vigorous spanking.
What's your point, TBH? Wow, does anyone get trapped on their side of the wormhole when it collapses?
Not usually, but once in a while. Talk about lulz... He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |

Kai Tel
State War Academy Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.03.15 03:44:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Chairman For Life Mittani is laughing at you.
You know, I once has a piece of toast pop out that had a likeness of his face on it after buttering. I was tempted to E-Bay it, no lie bro. |

Grumpy Owly
326
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Posted - 2012.03.15 09:31:00 -
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To add to some of the spectacular events surrounding Goon and/or affiliate claims.
Darth Gustav wrote:Mittani is literally The Jesus.
I mean why wasn't this made apparent at the start of the campaign. I see this as a HUGE failing in Mittens marketing campaign for not mentioning this. Consider the millions of people who would flock to the game knowing the relevance of this fact.  Bounty Hunting for CSM 7
Stop EvE Apathy |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3009
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Posted - 2012.03.15 09:33:00 -
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i don't believe that the mittani has ever referred to himself as "the jesus"
he has however referred to himself as a "fuckin wizard" "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3009
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Posted - 2012.03.15 09:34:00 -
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anyway let me summarize this thread
"abloobloobloo disband the CSM because they got CCP to look at my gamebreaking titan" "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |

TheBlueMonkey
Natural Progression
91
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Posted - 2012.03.15 09:44:00 -
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Ban Bindy wrote: I want to play a game, not to participate in electoral politics.
Erm.... this is eve, it's all drama and politics. Your statement's a little like starting sim city and saying "I want to look at people walking around, not build a giant city" |

Red Templar
Raging Ducks Goonswarm Federation
171
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Posted - 2012.03.15 09:53:00 -
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If there will be no politics in sandbox game... who will want to play this game?
Its all about politics. Its all about building your empires. No one wants to play another generic mmo. Otherwise we would spend time on wow forums, not on eve forums.
So shut up and stop trying to limit and narrow this game to suit your preferences. For Love. For Peace. For Honor.
For None of the Above.
For Pony! |

Mai Khumm
Apple Construction Inc Northern Associates.
181
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Posted - 2012.03.15 10:35:00 -
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Yes, I agree the CSM dosen't work and needs to be dealt with.
CCP will NOT fix this issue as it good PR for them.
It actually stirs up drama. This post is an excellent example.
Mittens, and his mindless drones/alts of said drones. Will bash every post like this, and dis-credit you.
So, as I see it, you have 2 options. 1, quit. 2, try to deal with it.
Personally, I believe GSF and CFC will **** up, it's just a matter of time. In all of human history it has happened countless of times. I know that all goons and friends are currently laughing at this. But once they pull their heads out of their asses and read a history book, they'll see I'm right. ****** and WWII is the most recent example of this. "But that's real life and this is a videogame" Exactly, and it's happened before in this game, they've failed. It will happen again. "Being drunk is a good disguise. I drink so I can talk to a**holes. This includes me." |

Grumpy Owly
327
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Posted - 2012.03.15 11:23:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Grumpy Owly wrote:For those interested and thinking your overwhelmed by the volume of candidates or amount of debate. There is a useful tool called Vote Match that can help to look at significant points and views the candidates may have. You may still want to look at details further and ask specific questions of the candidates of course, but it may help as a tool to narrow down candidates to a shortlist to research. That "tool" wasn't developed by a disinterested third party and its results are not to be trusted.
Interesting, so why has Mittens adopted to take part in it then? Surely if he had any convictions he wouldn't be associated with the process if it was perceived as corrupt?
Dierdra Vaal wrote:Please keep in mind that Vote Match! is only intended to point you in the direction of which candidates might be good matches for you. You should still try to get to know more about several of your highest matches by checking out their forums threads, websites or talking to them ingame before deciding who gets your vote :)
Dierdra Vaal wrote:Yeep wrote:Last time the phrasing of the questions left a lot to be desired. Some issues were impossible to agree with without saying you thought they were the most important thing while others you could just agree needed attention. If I were feeling uncharitable (as I was last year) I'd say that this was an attempt to skew people's decisions towards certain candidates. Have you fixed this? I always try to make the statements as diverse and impartial as possible. I don't really know how candidates will vote so I don't see how I can try to skew people's decisions. Additionally I posted requests for statements on both the official eve forums and failheap, and made the list based on that, the questions from last time and the CSM meeting minutes. I had my proposed 'final' list up for review on failheap for a while (I ended up changing some questions as a result of the feedback there). As such I feel I've gone sufficient lengths to ensure statements are as neutral as possible. Also keep in mind that these statements exist to highlight the differences between candidates, not to give candidates a place to advertise their campaign positions. As such, some statements are intentionally designed to elicit polarised responses.
The person who runs the process also ensures participation in the questions to derive the content. I'd suggest reading the various threads about vote match to see the encouragement to get the electorates views.
Also isnt it an equal opportunity for all candidates as to how it functions. Personally i think people are capable of recognising it as an aid in the process of narrowing down choices as opposed to an ultimate tool for voting discernment. Bounty Hunting for CSM 7
Stop EvE Apathy |

knobber Jobbler
Seniors Clan Get Off My Lawn
58
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Posted - 2012.03.15 11:45:00 -
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Ban Bindy wrote:
CSM's decisions veer back and forth from stupid to absurd, the recent "Titan Crisis" being a good example.
CSM doesn't decide anything, they sit at the table representing us, a stakeholder. CCP runs things by them and they give opinions.
All the changes that the CSM brought about were chosen by players and voted on in these very forums. All the CSM did was finally bring it to CCP in an organised fashion.
The Current Titan changes are welcome by allot of people, although they seem to be a bit of a hack and not what people imagined, they're better than being blobbed by 50 of the buggers as EVE's answer to the 'IWIN' button. |
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