EVE Search - What is the point of a Myrm now a'days?

All Channels

Ships and Modules

What is the point of a Myrm now a'days?

» Click here to find additional results for this topic using Google

Monitor this thread via RSS [?]

Pages: [1] 2 3 :: one page
Author	Thread Statistics \| Show CCP posts - 0 post(s)
Enkryption Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.07.02 22:09:00 - [1] Terrible Drone Mbits. Slow. No Turret Bonuses. Why has it become an oversize Vexor? Aren't Battle Cruisers supposed to be bigger then cruisers/hacs? Why is the Myrm so terrible? Is it supposed to the the Gallente BC ratter? Again, 75 bandwidth on a drone boat battle cruiser!? Come on ;\ Yes, I know the nerf was a long time ago but it's bugging me that the Myrm has been turned into such a crappy boat.
Madla Mafia The Dead Man's Hand	Posted - 2008.07.02 22:10:00 - [2] Once the Pilgrim gets fixed, then we can look at the Myrmidon. ------------------------------------------ Amarr - getting screwed since 2005.
Kunming T.H.U.G L.I.F.E White Core	Posted - 2008.07.02 22:16:00 - [3] Thank the whiners on these boards... Nowadays I use it as a disposable 0.0 NPC belt ratter, the 6 HIs give me the opportunity to loot and salvage while ratting at the same time. In pvp, I see it as a rather pointless ship though.. Quote: READ THIS NEXT PART CAREFULLY AS IT IS VERY IMPORTANT AND POSTING A REPLY WITHOUT READING IT MAY RESULT IN YOU LOOKING STUPID.
Lisento Slaven Amarr The Drekla Consortium	Posted - 2008.07.02 22:25:00 - [4] Was it nerfed or something? What am I missing... --- Put in space whales!
Storm Strike	Posted - 2008.07.02 22:27:00 - [5] Oh noes its balanced scrambles around looking for another op ship
Borg9	Posted - 2008.07.02 22:42:00 - [6] Terrible drone Mbit: yea lets give it 125m3 dronebay like a bs oh wait its a bc Slow: have you ever flown a drake No turret bonus: yea it's a drone ship Why is the myrm so terrible: cause ur doin it wrong
Grarr Dexx Amarr Naval Protection Corp Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.07.02 22:43:00 - [7] Use 2/2/1 and guns in the highslots, it's still a very capable ship and has a bunch of midslots to fit a load of cap rechargers and an mwd.
Enkryption Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.07.02 22:49:00 - [8] Originally by: Borg9 Terrible drone Mbit: yea lets give it 125m3 dronebay like a bs oh wait its a bc Slow: have you ever flown a drake No turret bonus: yea it's a drone ship Why is the myrm so terrible: cause ur doin it wrong Vexor: 100 Drone Bay Ishtar 125 Drone Bay + 50 every HAC level. Myrm: 150 Drone Bay Vexor: 75mbits Bandwidth Ishtar 125mbit Bandwidth Mrym: 75mbits Bandwidth So once again, why does the Myrm suck so bad? It's a vexor with a bigger sig radius. Ishtar needs to be made 100 and the Myrm needs it's 125 back. It's pretty terrible to have a Battlecruiser drone boat having the same Drone Bandwidth as a t1 cruiser drone boat.
Ryusoath Orillian Minmatar KYBOSHI TRADING	Posted - 2008.07.02 22:54:00 - [9] Edited by: Ryusoath Orillian on 02/07/2008 22:56:04 myrm is perfect for nanofags to blown up. thats its new role. hope those nanofags get nerfed as hard as the myrm did.
Enkryption Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.07.02 22:56:00 - [10] Originally by: Ryusoath Orillian myrm is perfect for nanofags to blown up. thats its new role. I hope you mean the perfect ship for "nanofags" to "blow" up, and are not indicating Myrms have even an inkling of ability to even touch a "nanofag".
Boz Well	Posted - 2008.07.02 23:03:00 - [11] Originally by: Borg9 Terrible drone Mbit: yea lets give it 125m3 dronebay like a bs oh wait its a bc Slow: have you ever flown a drake No turret bonus: yea it's a drone ship Why is the myrm so terrible: cause ur doin it wrong Obviously there are no numbers between 75 and 125.
Tasko Pal Heron Corporation	Posted - 2008.07.02 23:06:00 - [12] Well, if there are any genuine problems with the myrm, I'm sure someone will eventually bring them up.
Borg9	Posted - 2008.07.02 23:08:00 - [13] Edited by: Borg9 on 02/07/2008 23:09:59 Originally by: Enkryption Originally by: Borg9 Terrible drone Mbit: yea lets give it 125m3 dronebay like a bs oh wait its a bc Slow: have you ever flown a drake No turret bonus: yea it's a drone ship Why is the myrm so terrible: cause ur doin it wrong Vexor: 100 Drone Bay Ishtar 125 Drone Bay + 50 every HAC level. Myrm: 150 Drone Bay Vexor: 75mbits Bandwidth Ishtar 125mbit Bandwidth Mrym: 75mbits Bandwidth So once again, why does the Myrm suck so bad? It's a vexor with a bigger sig radius. Ishtar needs to be made 100 and the Myrm needs it's 125 back. It's pretty terrible to have a Battlecruiser drone boat having the same Drone Bandwidth as a t1 cruiser drone boat. yea you know you can put guns on ur myrm right
Lux Exterior Sincarnate Contracts	Posted - 2008.07.02 23:09:00 - [14] Originally by: Boz Well Originally by: Borg9 Terrible drone Mbit: yea lets give it 125m3 dronebay like a bs oh wait its a bc Slow: have you ever flown a drake No turret bonus: yea it's a drone ship Why is the myrm so terrible: cause ur doin it wrong Obviously there are no numbers between 75 and 125. This is the correct answer. "That which does not kill us makes us stronger" Friedrich Nietzsche
Borg9	Posted - 2008.07.02 23:12:00 - [15] Originally by: Lux Exterior Originally by: Boz Well Originally by: Borg9 Terrible drone Mbit: yea lets give it 125m3 dronebay like a bs oh wait its a bc Slow: have you ever flown a drake No turret bonus: yea it's a drone ship Why is the myrm so terrible: cause ur doin it wrong Obviously there are no numbers between 75 and 125. This is the correct answer. so wat ur saying is i takes 125 and minus it from da 75 so i get.....25 ok thats how much drone banwif u getz
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.07.02 23:16:00 - [16] Originally by: Enkryption So once again, why does the Myrm suck so bad? It's a vexor with a bigger sig radius. Ishtar needs to be made 100 and the Myrm needs it's 125 back. It's pretty terrible to have a Battlecruiser drone boat having the same Drone Bandwidth as a t1 cruiser drone boat. Actually, it should be 100 bay / 50 band Vexor, 200 / 100 band Myrm but also add one utility highslot, leave Ishtar alone at 325/125 tops. _ EXPRESS SUPPORT for the issue of mineral and moon material balance !
Zhilia Mann	Posted - 2008.07.02 23:25:00 - [17] Originally by: Akita T Actually, it should be 100 bay / 50 band Vexor, 200 / 100 band Myrm but also add one utility highslot, leave Ishtar alone at 325/125 tops. I don't disagree, but what's the logic on the numbers?
Borg9	Posted - 2008.07.02 23:27:00 - [18] Originally by: Akita T Originally by: Enkryption So once again, why does the Myrm suck so bad? It's a vexor with a bigger sig radius. Ishtar needs to be made 100 and the Myrm needs it's 125 back. It's pretty terrible to have a Battlecruiser drone boat having the same Drone Bandwidth as a t1 cruiser drone boat. Actually, it should be 100 bay / 50 band Vexor, 200 / 100 band Myrm but also add one utility highslot, leave Ishtar alone at 325/125 tops. Akita usually I agree wit u but not on this post. Drone boats should have fewer high slots so they can't fit 8 nos/neuts to keep their active tanks going all the time giving them a huge tank all while having the same dps as the other ships in their class. Drone boats would turn into the huge tank and huge gank ship.
Diomidis Amarr Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.02 23:41:00 - [19] What's the point for a Myrm when there is a Domi? What's the point for a Drake when there is a Raven? Harbinger vs. Geddon... Brutix vs. Blasterthron...an so on... HELLO, it's a BC - it uses hell less SP to be effective, costs a tad less, it's a bit more agile than a BS etc...it can still fit a strong tank and fight with both turrets and drones within web range, leaving room for utility highs and mids...its a nice ship...not as beasty as a Domi, still good enough for starters... The Bandwidth nerf got too other ships too, like the Pilgrim / Curse / Arbi line - yes, their bay was increased a lot, yet total dps were sinked. But unlike the Myrm, there is way less fitting room for either turrets or heavy tank in most of these ships...tough luck - adapt and move on....try a Domi for a chance, train for something new...it's all we all do since we have started this game What comes around, goes around. Join the Biggest Greek Corp! www.Mythos-eve.com - Join Mythos Channel in game!
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.07.03 01:00:00 - [20] Originally by: Zhilia Mann Originally by: Akita T Actually, it should be 100 bay / 50 band Vexor, 200 / 100 band Myrm but also add one utility highslot, leave Ishtar alone at 325/125 tops. I don't disagree, but what's the logic on the numbers? Originally by: Borg9 Originally by: Akita T Originally by: Enkryption So once again, why does the Myrm suck so bad? It's a vexor with a bigger sig radius. Ishtar needs to be made 100 and the Myrm needs it's 125 back. It's pretty terrible to have a Battlecruiser drone boat having the same Drone Bandwidth as a t1 cruiser drone boat. Actually, it should be 100 bay / 50 band Vexor, 200 / 100 band Myrm but also add one utility highslot, leave Ishtar alone at 325/125 tops. Akita usually I agree wit u but not on this post. Drone boats should have fewer high slots so they can't fit 8 nos/neuts to keep their active tanks going all the time giving them a huge tank all while having the same dps as the other ships in their class. Drone boats would turn into the huge tank and huge gank ship. Well, for starters, the HACs usually have theoretical maximum offensive capabilities somewhere between battlecruisers and battleships, but closer to the battlecruisers, on top of pretty tough tanks, and the Ishtar is a very dedicated droneboat. At maximum skills, the Ishtar has the same drone bay as a Dominix, but only 3 (medium) turret slots (instead of the 6 large ones the Dominix can sport), 2 less lowslots but increased drone control range. So, drone-wise, it's basically on par with the Dominix in both bay size and bandwidth, but can project it further away, and it severely lacks in any other kind of firepower (well, at least it's got 2 "mandatory" support highslots, so it can get double drone control range on a "max firepower at long range" fit compared to the Dominix). In other words, both the Dominix and the Ishtar are just fine, IMO. Now, looking at the Vexor, you can either say it has a much too small dronebay or a much too large bandwidth (and that goes for all cruiser-sized droneboats, not just the Vexor) - the myrmidon can carry 2 full flights of drones, Ishtar and Dominix up to 3 full flights, but the Vexor can only carry a 33% of an extra maxed-out wave ? Meh. Allowing it to drop 3 sentry drones on top of 4 damage-bonused guns means it can have a little bit too much firepower at both range or point-blank range for my taste, so the logical conclusion is that you either have to remove some drone bandwidth or cut down one turret... and again, it makes much more sense to reduce it to 5 medium drones or just two sentry drones instead. Now, comparing the Vexor with the Myrmidon in their CURRENT incarnation, we notice something else odd - they have identical bandwidths, and the Myrmidon sports a max of 6 unbonused turrets compared to the Vexor's 4 bonused ones (at max-skills, that's the equivalent of 5 guns on the Myrmdon). Even given the problems with drone replacements, it just down't feel right to have the potential firepower of a Myrmidon and a Vexor so close together, no matter how you put it... but wait, the Vexor also gets a free utility slot ! In other words, seriously, there is no logical option but removing the normally-unused extra 25 bandwidth and letting it stick with 50 instead of 75. Now, on to the Myrmidon. I have already mentioned the pathetic DPS situation compared even to the Vexor (yeah, yeah, better tank and all that jazz), so it's pretty clear it's a bit lacking in the "damage potential" department. The change they made to it by reducing the bandwidth from 125 to a mere 75 was a mistake. Yes, I know, 100 sounds like an odd number, but that means you can actually use heavies or sentries (4 of them) to differentiate even further from the Vexor (now sporting only 2 max), or you can use 3 heavies and 2 mediums for a pretty decent damage potential. The dronebay also needs a bit of enlarging to accomodate the spares. _ EXPRESS SUPPORT for the issue of mineral and moon material balance !
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.07.03 01:11:00 - [21] continued As for the utility slot, well... you could just remove 3 gun hardpoints, give it a 100% damage role bonus and REDUCE its highslot count by one - but this way you actually added 2 utility slots in a full damage configuration, while reducing the maximum NOS/NEUT potential. Addin one utility slot will increase that max NOS/NEUT damage potential, but then again, why not - it's supposed to be a relatively "tanky" ship, so it has to be able to combat enemies some other way. Not like you could fit 7 medium nos/neuts and still have a decent armor tank at those fitings... if anything, it could use a REDUCTION in some of the fitings, making it have to choose between tank and direct or indirect damage potential. Or heck, why not, leave the highs alone and give it 110 drone bandwith for 4 large and 1 medium drone for all I care, and a 220 dronebay. Anything in between 75 and 125 is fine, but closer to 100 feels like the perfect balance. Heck, you can even make that 110 bandwidth and 275 drone bay (a 2.5 waves in contrast with 2 waves on Vexor and max 3 waves on Istar and Dominix). The Myrmidon was SLIGHTLY overpowered with a 125m dronebay back when bandwidth didn't exist, and heck, it was INITIALLY released with 100m drone bandwidth, and the devs INCREASED it to 125m because so many were crying it was UNDERpowered... then they went a full 180 and slammed it to 75m. That's just... bleah. Seriously, all it can do is tank and nos/neut, because damage-wise it's pretty pathetic (like I said, even compared to the damn current Vexor). So, there's the logic behind the numbers _ EXPRESS SUPPORT for the issue of mineral and moon material balance !
Boz Well	Posted - 2008.07.03 01:14:00 - [22] Originally by: Trader Man Obviously I understand that akita is a stupid tard/troll I was hoping I would bump into someone intelligent and who would interpret a question in a smart way OK Let me put it like this, I have all the necessary support skills, energy use, armor compensation, naviagtion, capital ship etc. But I have no skills for carrier at all, so what range of skills is needed to fully utilize all possible functions that a carrier can fit ? I.E. can i throw clone operation vacility on a carrier? etc... im looking at amarr carriers So what skill do I need in order
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.07.03 01:15:00 - [23] Originally by: Boz Well Originally by: Trader Man stuff Ah, the memories... feels like yesterday or the day before Oh, wait, it WAS _ EXPRESS SUPPORT for the issue of mineral and moon material balance !
Liang Nuren Perkone	Posted - 2008.07.03 01:17:00 - [24] Originally by: Diomidis What's the point for a Myrm when there is a Domi? What's the point for a Drake when there is a Raven? Harbinger vs. Geddon... Brutix vs. Blasterthron...an so on... HELLO, it's a BC - it uses hell less SP to be effective, costs a tad less, it's a bit more agile than a BS etc...it can still fit a strong tank and fight with both turrets and drones within web range, leaving room for utility highs and mids...its a nice ship...not as beasty as a Domi, still good enough for starters... The Bandwidth nerf got too other ships too, like the Pilgrim / Curse / Arbi line - yes, their bay was increased a lot, yet total dps were sinked. But unlike the Myrm, there is way less fitting room for either turrets or heavy tank in most of these ships...tough luck - adapt and move on....try a Domi for a chance, train for something new...it's all we all do since we have started this game What comes around, goes around. Well, but you seem to have misread the OP. The OP didn't ask what the point of the Myrm was with the Domi. They asked what the point of the Myrm was with the Vexor. It's not quite that bad, but it was a huge nerf to the drone training path. Don't bother lying to yourself: most people fly the Myrm with 5 mediums these days (despite CCP's balancing claim of it being balanced around 2/2/1). -Liang -- It was an honor to participate in the Insurgency campaign in Branch. o7 to all involved.
Lugburz	Posted - 2008.07.03 01:27:00 - [25] cant you put like 5 or 6 tuurets on myrm... like arty's? i can only put 3 on me feckin Ishtar, looks like it tanks well though....
Atsuko Ratu Caldari VSP Corp.	Posted - 2008.07.03 04:10:00 - [26] The obvious solution is to nerf the vexor. My favorite part was the skill remark. That made my day
Liang Nuren Perkone	Posted - 2008.07.03 04:17:00 - [27] Originally by: Atsuko Ratu The obvious solution is to nerf the vexor. Well, first they'd need to nerf the Arbitrator... ;-) -Liang -- It was an honor to participate in the Insurgency campaign in Branch. o7 to all involved.
Voculus E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2008.07.03 04:19:00 - [28] Originally by: Enkryption Originally by: Ryusoath Orillian myrm is perfect for nanofags to blown up. thats its new role. ...and are not indicating Myrms have even an inkling of ability to even touch a "nanofag". Though there are much better drone boats, the Myrmidon can kill nanofags easily. We have the technology! Step 1) Deploy Curator Sentry Drones Step 2) Be ready with the web and neutralizers if they get close Step 3) Watch them get ground to dust as they run. Step 4) Profit! _________________________________________________________
Liang Nuren Perkone	Posted - 2008.07.03 04:21:00 - [29] Edited by: Liang Nuren on 03/07/2008 04:21:56 Originally by: Voculus Though there are much better drone boats, the Myrmidon can kill nanofags easily. We have the technology! Step 1) Deploy Curator Sentry Drones Step 2) Be ready with the web and neutralizers if they get close Step 3) Watch them get ground to dust as they run. Step 4) Profit! KM OR STFU? I don't buy it even slightly. -Liang Ed: Also, I don't even make bones about it anymore... I nano my cruisers. -- It was an honor to participate in the Insurgency campaign in Branch. o7 to all involved.
Atsuko Ratu Caldari VSP Corp.	Posted - 2008.07.03 04:23:00 - [30] Originally by: Liang Nuren Edited by: Liang Nuren on 03/07/2008 04:21:56 KM OR STFU? I don't buy it even slightly. -Liang Ed: Also, I don't even make bones about it anymore... I nano my cruisers. He's lying. The myrm is such an awful ship, it can't even solo another myrm. My favorite part was the skill remark. That made my day

Pages: [1] 2 3 :: one page
First page \| Previous page \| Next page \| Last page

COPYRIGHT NOTICE
EVE Online, the EVE logo, EVE and all associated logos and designs are the intellectual property of CCP hf. All artwork, screenshots, characters, vehicles, storylines, world facts or other recognizable features of the intellectual property relating to these trademarks are likewise the intellectual property of CCP hf. EVE Online and the EVE logo are the registered trademarks of CCP hf. All rights are reserved worldwide. All other trademarks are the property of their respective owners. CCP hf. has granted permission to EVE-Search.com to use EVE Online and all associated logos and designs for promotional and information purposes on its website but does not endorse, and is not in any way affiliated with, EVE-Search.com. CCP is in no way responsible for the content on or functioning of this website, nor can it be liable for any damage arising from the use of this website.