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Kel Gunrunner
Dark Destiny Inc.
Total Eclipse Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.07.03 00:28:00 -
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I notice alot of the posts on here are complaints about unbalenced ships etc (I wont get into the recons again) So i just wanted to post something a bit different. a homage to the humble blackbird
This is a fine example of a ship that CCP has gotten right.
Its a great ship, flown well it can be awsome. yet its weaknesses are all so clear :P Its a ship that can add a bit spice to a gang of any size, and a fairly new player can fly 1 and have a useful role
you can even take it out solo and use it to bait bold ceptors who think they have caught a weak and lonely blackbird.
What a great ship. well done ccp.
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masternerdguy
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Posted - 2008.07.03 00:29:00 -
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most balanced ship is drake
DRAKE
DRAKE
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Siberys
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Posted - 2008.07.03 00:32:00 -
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How do you have a most balanced ship? Thats like asking for caldari ships with high DPS, gallante ships with long range, ammar ships with low-cap draining weapons, and mimnatar ships that don't look like crap.
My vote: Arbitrator
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masternerdguy
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Posted - 2008.07.03 00:33:00 -
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there needs 2 be a caldari navy drake
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Kel Gunrunner
Dark Destiny Inc.
Total Eclipse Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.07.03 00:35:00 -
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I just think the blackbird is a great example of a ship CCP got right. there just fun. I fly gallente myself :)
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Siberys
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Posted - 2008.07.03 00:35:00 -
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 Originally by: masternerdguy
there needs 2 be a caldari navy drake
An Imperial Navy Prophecy would be sickly awesome too.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
Metafarmers
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Posted - 2008.07.03 00:41:00 -
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The most balanced ship in Eve is the Charon... if you center it on a point it will balance 
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Sniper Wolf18
Gallente
Apocalypse Ponies
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Posted - 2008.07.03 00:59:00 -
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dominix
PvP
Missions
Fleet warfare
0.0 alliance crap
fleet support
and it does all of that well
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Tharukan Desm'ar
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Posted - 2008.07.03 01:17:00 -
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I haven't flown many races ships but i have to say the vexor is a great all rounder for any newer players that like a cheap drone cruiser. Good bonuses, slots and the guns can be cut back on to only a few to use in getting aggro before setting drones off. Even a miner can do well with it if your not able to use a barge if you have good drone skills. Plus its affordable for all the versatility you get.
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LetsDoThis
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Posted - 2008.07.03 01:24:00 -
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Apocalypse.
Great tank, great dps, good range, excellent tracking, fully sustainable.
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Khrillian
Minmatar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.07.03 02:04:00 -
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Probably the pod or the shuttle. Noobships are slightly imba because gallente get a drone. Any other ship there will likely be a favorite for any given engagement.
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Vasponger
Prophets Of a Damned Universe
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Posted - 2008.07.03 02:43:00 -
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sac
missles/turrets
nano/tank
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Faife
Minmatar
Kinda'Shujaa
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Posted - 2008.07.03 02:46:00 -
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Edited by: Faife on 03/07/2008 02:46:06
Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
The most balanced ship in Eve is the Charon... if you center it on a point it will balance
not that i'm a full mechanical engineer, but i can assure you that any solid can balance on a point
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Draygo Korvan
Merch Industrial
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.07.03 02:50:00 -
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The most balanced ship is the one no one ever uses.
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masternerdguy
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Posted - 2008.07.03 02:55:00 -
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Originally by: Draygo Korvan
The most balanced ship is the one no one ever uses.
the pax luxary yacht?
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
Metafarmers
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Posted - 2008.07.03 02:55:00 -
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Originally by: Faife
Edited by: Faife on 03/07/2008 02:46:06
Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
The most balanced ship in Eve is the Charon... if you center it on a point it will balance
not that i'm a full mechanical engineer, but i can assure you that any solid can balance on a point
not if it's Caldari
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Hurtado Soneka
Caldari
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.07.03 03:08:00 -
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Dominix is easily the most balanced ship of the game, by an imperial mile.
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari
Omerta Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.07.03 03:10:00 -
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balanced vs what?
I'd say the Tier 2 BCs are the most balanced class of ship in a 1v1 scenario, in that they do fairly equally against each other and all have their own strengths + weaknesses.
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Slayton Ford
STK Scientific
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Posted - 2008.07.03 03:16:00 -
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rifter
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Liang Nuren
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.07.03 04:01:00 -
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Originally by: Rawr Cristina
balanced vs what?
I'd say the Tier 2 BCs are the most balanced class of ship in a 1v1 scenario, in that they do fairly equally against each other and all have their own strengths + weaknesses.
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Megan Maynard
Minmatar
Out of Order
Vanguard.
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Posted - 2008.07.03 04:18:00 -
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Stabber or rifter.
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Viktor Fyretracker
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.07.03 04:19:00 -
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Drake by far, it has the lowest number of off center things poking out from it. therefor it would be the most balanced if placed on fulcrum.
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Nadarius Chrome
Celestial Horizon Corp.
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Posted - 2008.07.03 04:33:00 -
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Pod IMO. It's the only truly balanced ship. Since Trinity it even has nice little stabilisation thrusters!
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Meridius Dex
Amarr
Foundation
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.07.03 04:42:00 -
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Another vote for the humble Arbitrator. You can tank it, nano it, cap warfare it, long-range drone warfare it -- pretty much whatever you can think up.
And it's pretty. And dirt cheap.
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Doc Fury
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Posted - 2008.07.03 04:42:00 -
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Chances are, it's the ship you are not flying.
The beginning was the end (of everything)
The Ape regards his tail, (he's stuck on it)
Repeats until he fails..half a goon and half a god, A man's not made of steel...
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duckmonster
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.07.03 04:57:00 -
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Most balanced would be the Vagabond.
Most unbalanced would be the recons, both force and combat, which need major buffing.
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masternerdguy
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Posted - 2008.07.03 04:58:00 -
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drake needs some buffing too.
but seriously, recons are pretty weak and they should seriously be buffed.
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Admus
Multiverse Corporation
Cosmic Anomalies
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Posted - 2008.07.03 05:13:00 -
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Does anyone else find irony in the statement "most balanced?"
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Admiral Pelleon
Caldari
White Shadow Imperium
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Posted - 2008.07.03 05:14:00 -
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Originally by: Meridius Dex
Another vote for the humble Arbitrator. You can tank it, nano it, cap warfare it, long-range drone warfare it -- pretty much whatever you can think up.
And it's pretty. And dirt cheap.
+1 arbi
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Khrillian
Minmatar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.07.03 05:33:00 -
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Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker
Drake by far, it has the lowest number of off center things poking out from it. therefor it would be the most balanced if placed on fulcrum.
Maybe if you flip a raven upside down and put weights on the wings that would be pretty stable. Ideally you want big heavy things poking out, so they create a center of gravity below the object's support point, like those birds. Linkage
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kbullet
Atomic Battle Penguins
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Posted - 2008.07.03 06:51:00 -
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there's no such things as balanced ship, unless there are balance whiners
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Commander Jamieson
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Posted - 2008.07.03 07:43:00 -
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Originally by: Tharukan Desm'ar
I haven't flown many races ships but i have to say the vexor is a great all rounder for any newer players that like a cheap drone cruiser. Good bonuses, slots and the guns can be cut back on to only a few to use in getting aggro before setting drones off. Even a miner can do well with it if your not able to use a barge if you have good drone skills. Plus its affordable for all the versatility you get.
Gotta agree with this. The vexor was a great ship when I got up to Cruisers for both missioning and mining.
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Lars Lodar
Induseng Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.07.03 08:59:00 -
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I'd have to agree that all the Tier 2 BC are perfectly balanced against each other.
As a life long drake user, it's been great for missions/exploration when I first started and has been very good to me for piracy which I've been doing for a year or so.
The drake is very versatile and can fill a number of roles for pvp. It can reliably perform well in both gang and solo situations and is one of the most underestimated combat ships in EVE. 
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Funkcikle
Gallente
MicroFunks
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Posted - 2008.07.03 09:21:00 -
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Yhea see, what your all doing here is utterly failing to comprehend the concept of "balance" as the op said about the Blackbird, it has great strengths but also significant flaws. Saying that, for instance the Apoc is great for everything means that, in fact, its NOT balanced.
And this lady's and gentlemen is why whe get constant unending streams of complaining about ships, if the're not brilliant at everything u moan that it's "unbalanced " and needs buffing
Guns and ships are fine, boost players :P
To answer the OP I actually struggle to fine an better example of a well balanced ship than the blackbird, the domi, if anything is overpowered, considering its only a tier 1 battleship, with a great tank, fearsome dps, and great inherent flexibility of lots of different drones.
I think I will take the easy option and say the bb's bigger brother the Falcon is the most balanced of the recon. Used properly in the right circumstances, it can be a battlewinner but goes squish very easily if u get something wrong or have a bit of bad luck.
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Daftex Muleson
Minmatar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.07.03 09:37:00 -
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First define "balanced"....You can't use a ships ability to fulfil multiple roles as an indication of balance. It has to be that any clear advantage a ship has in it's design is balanced by a disadvantage. I'd argue, that with a few exceptions, the ships in EVE are pretty well balanced on the whole.
The unbalancing factor is the pilot in all cases.
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Yakov Draken
Minmatar
Tides Of War
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Posted - 2008.07.03 10:25:00 -
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Edited by: Yakov Draken on 03/07/2008 10:26:44
The Rupture is a well balenced ship. It is neither overpowered nor underpowered - I'm assuming that is what balenced is means in this context. It is a ship they got right and it is also generally fun to fight making for even more win.
I think the Stabber is overpowered. Probably the insane agility more than the speed. But forget I said that and never think of nerfing them.
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Acedias
Atropos Asylum
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Posted - 2008.07.03 11:35:00 -
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Balanced ship? I vote the typhoon Bit of everything.
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Ghengis Tia
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.07.03 14:03:00 -
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If you train all the skills to fly a Typhoon effectively, you can fly just about anything.
(Climbing the long,steep Typhoon skill mountain)
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Splagada
Minmatar
Tides of Silence
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.03 14:05:00 -
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Phoon is pretty balanced
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Ponderous Thunderstroke
Republic War Machine Industries
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Posted - 2008.07.03 14:31:00 -
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Bellicose.
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Yes. Yes I am.
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Straight Chillen
Gallente
Solar Wind
Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service
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Posted - 2008.07.03 14:44:00 -
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Dominix, Nuff Said
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Alz Shado
Ever Flow
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Posted - 2008.07.03 14:55:00 -
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The mighty Typhoon. From Missile spamming to sniping to drones to logistics to mining, is there anything it can't do?
-It's a minmatar boat that's at it's best spewing torps and rocking an armor tank!
-It's got enough low slots to fit extenders that can push it up towards 2000m3 in the hold. With 4x Miner IIs and 4xTorp launchers it can mine that Arkanor AND take out a triple BS spawn.
-It's also got enough low slots to fit a decent speed tank -- the Nanophoon '08 ain't what it used to be, but it's still respectable
-It's got a 175 m3 drone bay, enough for both a full rack of Berserker IIs AND a full compliment of medium armor rep bots, or 35 Warrior II's if you're crazy like that.
And it looks like a freaking KEG.
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Zaerlorth Maelkor
The Maverick Navy
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.07.03 14:57:00 -
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The Scorpion, obviously! All you need to do is stick your left arm out the window!
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Guillame Herschel
Gallente
Buffalo Soldiers
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Posted - 2008.07.03 14:58:00 -
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Apotheosis has a pole to balance on a tightrope.
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Pwett
Minmatar
QUANT Corp.
QUANT Hegemony
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Posted - 2008.07.03 15:35:00 -
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I think the Typhoon would be a good ship for balance sake.
Whatever it can do is heavily, heavily offset by the amount of time it takes to fly it well.
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<Q> QUANT Hegemony
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Twin blade
Minmatar
The Triangle
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Posted - 2008.07.03 15:42:00 -
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The only balanced ship is the Pod in its own class if you class the pod as a ship.
There is NO balanced ship as every ship dont have the same stats or slots and so can not ever be fully balanced vs all other ships in game.
Im sorry but logic says no ship in eve is 100% balanced other than the pod and thats only in its own class.
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PaddyPaddy Nihildarnik
Gallente
aurorae pacificas
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Posted - 2008.07.03 15:46:00 -
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Id say most of the t1 cruisers are pretty well balanced for their roles. Its getting into t2 and bs that you find the disparity greater. Cruisers just seem to all fill specific roles but are still mostly balanced against others in their ship class.
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Tyrantus
Amarr
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.07.04 04:22:00 -
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Originally by: Admiral Pelleon
Originally by: Meridius Dex
Another vote for the humble Arbitrator. You can tank it, nano it, cap warfare it, long-range drone warfare it -- pretty much whatever you can think up.
And it's pretty. And dirt cheap.
+1 arbi
+10
Quite frankly no ship in all of Eve can compete with the all round goodness that is the Arbitrator. Need a role filled and noone in your gang has the relevant T2 ship skills? Call in the Arbi! 
Originally by: Tzujeih
Quick, somebody other than myself, make my decisions for me!
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