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Anoobiss
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Posted - 2004.05.19 18:36:00 -
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Well I am just curious,what is so wrong with piratin nowadays.Most piratin acts have been stopped due to sentry guns and other mods put into the game.From what I see most piratin is now done in deep space where everything is legal technically.True pirating which
'Celes Apoc' and other pirate hunters should be looking for and hunting and makin war with is NEWB ORE theifs in Empire.I am just curious as to what Pirate Hunters Nowadays consider pirating and maybe an example to go with it.
No Flaming Please!
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juduzz
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Posted - 2004.05.19 19:50:00 -
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My views from a relitively newer player 3.5 months and try to be a "pirate hunter".
Pirating is "evil" and should be stopped we need pirate hunters and pirates for them to hunt and vice versa it makes he game more fun,
Is pirating realy that bad? IMHO nope only in a role play type of way.
Hunting pirates is fun and being chased by pirates is to ( unless its some smack talking ****, be it the pirate or pirate hunter).
Whats pirating? Hmm pirating: sitting at agate and shooting every thing that jumps in and hoping to get some nice loot from the cans, shooting indies with cruise kestrels in low sec space hope for some good cargo exspanders and attacking miners/randsoming miners in roid fields.
Attacking indys with dispocible alts aint pirating thats worst thats like being an ore theif avoiding the consequences of concord.
Making war on ores thiefs is difficult as it seems most seem to reside in NPC corps and using a siposible alt or something to nukle an indy aint gonna stop them just slow them down. ( if only there was a declare wr on person feature :D )
One problem ive seen is quite a few pirates seem to be going legit and sticking to mining around the area i hunt.
On the subject of sentry guns i hate t when ppl camp gates outside of the turrets range for the simple fact you cant fight back with out them firing on you, pirate corps like zombie who sensor dampen them i have np with because you can return fire and youve gotta put your hats off to them for comming up with that hehe.
Well tahts my opinion flame away :P
P>S> little side note to snigg thanks for showing me how good the rifter is :D kestresl go pop quite quick against them aslong as you dont select aproach by accident :(
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S3VYN
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Posted - 2004.05.19 20:04:00 -
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Edited by: S3VYN on 19/05/2004 20:09:57
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Whats pirating? Hmm pirating: sitting at agate and shooting every thing that jumps in and hoping to get some nice loot from the cans, shooting indies with cruise kestrels in low sec space hope for some good cargo exspanders and attacking miners/randsoming miners in roid fields.
That's a common misconception that I have been trying for a while to get people to see past. Pirating is NOT gate camping and gate camping is NOT necessarily pirating.
Is there anything wrong with pirating (as far as game play goes) nope. It's a part of the game and most likely a fairly fun one because of the amount of PvP.
Pirating, in my definition of the term in relation to the EVE universe is almost the exact same as mercenary except that there is no specific targetting or planned payout.
Mercenary: Someone hired to target a specific individual or group of individuals for a set, agreed upon amount of money or goods.
Pirate: Someone who targets the general population for the chance of a payout (in the form of thrills, goods or ransom money).
Just my $0.02
Edit: Typo
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Neko Makai
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Posted - 2004.05.20 05:59:00 -
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You can dampen sentry guns o,O!!! NICE!!!
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ZURAN 666
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Posted - 2004.05.20 10:12:00 -
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The only time that "Pirating" as it is called becomes a problem is when a) As stressed earlier the wrong people are given the wrong title and seen as pirates when they are not, but infact disgracing some of the more skilled pirates out there. b) When people come up against a pirate and are given a chance to stop what is about to happen they choose not to and sit and whine and complain about it. Or when they whine and complain about getting caught by a pirate for not taking the proper precautions. People who are given the chance to pay a fee and get to keep thier stuff no matter how mad they may be, for the most part are nice people to deal with. It is the ones that do not know that it is a part of the game that are hard to deal with, or the people that say wait till I have my friends around and we will see how tough you are. If you need your friends to back you up how tough are you? CCP has tried to take measures to even the score between the pirates and the non pirates. I think it is a very fair mix and if anything the pirates got the bad end of the stick. But since they are pirates it is something that should be expected. I think that when I have come up against people that have used thier heads to get out of situations and made me think is when I have had the most fun. This like any game has people in it that are out to ruin the fun for everyone. I hope that people that read this post remember that life can be fukt up on both sides and that what goes around comes around. No need to loose your RL temper and get mad it is all a game.
Have fun and I hope to be able to interact with you no matter what kind of interaction it is good or bad.
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Drogon
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Posted - 2004.05.21 00:12:00 -
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Originally by: juduzz
On the subject of sentry guns i hate t when ppl camp gates outside of the turrets range for the simple fact you cant fight back with out them firing on you, pirate corps like zombie who sensor dampen them i have np with because you can return fire and youve gotta put your hats off to them for comming up with that hehe.
yes dampening the sentry guns is a bogus tactic that ive seen people employ even them sitting outside the sentry gun range. However, a cool little mod in the game is the remote sensor booster. target a sentry gun or 4 and give them the well deserved boost their deserve and send those gate campin beatches running for their safe spot 
Director, Divine Retribution
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Jehutty
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Posted - 2004.05.21 01:36:00 -
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Well,I agree with the people that say Pirating is part of the game.I have delt with it forever.I lost 2 cruisers when I first started to m3g4,without ever complaining of pirates.It is part of the game and what is the deal with Pirate Hunters.Most True Pirates if you can still find them are in 0.0 just gaurdin space.Hell I sit at a gate everyday trying to ward off bogies that are not part of our Alliance.Does that make me a Pirate I think not.If you get ganked by what you want to call a Pirate it is probably becuase you lost something is a place you were not wanted,Or should not have been.I feel that if there are pirates they belong as much as pirate hunters do,But when the supposed Pirate Hunters start to attack and make war upon corps that are in fact not pirates in their terms,just means that Pirate hunters are grasping at straws and are being careless with who THEY declare are pirates!
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Tobruk
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Posted - 2004.05.21 06:18:00 -
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no. its good for the eve economy. forces people who would normally never loose mods or leave empire to "reinvest" some isk backinto the economy after their loss. also its kinda a right of passage for a noob to loose their first cruiser/nice ship to a gate camper.
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Arbenowskee
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Posted - 2004.05.21 08:49:00 -
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Pirating is FUN :) mostly because of the funny reactions, that people tend to have, after they've lost their ship :P Ore thieving is FUN for the same reason :D
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Lifewire
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Posted - 2004.05.21 09:20:00 -
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Piracy and wars are the destructive forces in EVE. Imagine playing "Command&Conquer" without enemy...after building your base and tons of weapons/troops, what to do??? Watch them for hours???
Pirates make this game worth to play it, even for piratehaters. There is nothing to discuss about it at all, without pirates EVE would be crap.
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djNME
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Posted - 2004.05.21 09:25:00 -
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heya
I think pirating is needed n the game. I myself am not a pirate. I call myself a merc so mostly try to pirate hunt. i guess i call it PK hunt . Though only when it effects my corp or money making. Though in my opinion.. the only reason people would mine or run missions. Why do they want isk?.. I think it's to get a better, bigger, & badder ship. Just to keep mining or running missions?Nope so they can kick some arse . Also me either .. everything i have done , mining, missions etc. were all done because i wanted to one day own nice ships. Fit them well and have insruance so i could fight someone. Most of this game revolves around needing ships ammo etc anyways. I never made isk for anything else but to kill. Though the games i play are highly based on 1 v 1, 2 v2 , 3v 3v & ffa's so i like PVP aspects of games.
I guess my only thing with some pirates.. is some tactics they use. There are tons of people that would be a good fights and offer both a challenge and possible isk to them, but what I consider the muppet pirates are the ones only preyin on the weak. There are some corps considered "pirates" and i respect them like mad. They face equal fleets and still fight etc. The ones i think r prats just make sure there is no way to lose. Then and only then they put they patch over the eye and scream arhhhh . I don't see how camping or noobie hunting .4 can be fun.. or that profitable unless they pay ransoms. Then again.. fighting people that will give them a runf or there money would even be less profitable. SO they have to stoop. So i think pirates can be kool n needed and some can be just pathetic wannbe clones of the good ones.
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Shariona
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Posted - 2004.05.21 09:40:00 -
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Originally by: Anoobiss
Well I am just curious,what is so wrong with piratin nowadays.Most piratin acts have been stopped due to sentry guns and other mods put into the game.From what I see most piratin is now done in deep space where everything is legal technically.True pirating which
'Celes Apoc' and other pirate hunters should be looking for and hunting and makin war with is NEWB ORE theifs in Empire.I am just curious as to what Pirate Hunters Nowadays consider pirating and maybe an example to go with it.
No Flaming Please!
And how do we do that, hiding in a can filled with ore and wait for them to arive?
If your opponent is of choleric temper, seek to irritate him -- Sun Tzu
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Lifewire
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Posted - 2004.05.21 09:52:00 -
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ItŠs the nature of piracy to attack haulers and weak ships and flee if the big big navy blobs come.
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2004.05.21 10:00:00 -
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Pirating is great...
It keeps me in a job when it is rife although now that eve is being taken over by the large alliances, there is less and less scope for pirates and therefore less and less scope for pirate hunters.
So hurry up pirates and make a new piratical alliance we can attack!
dbp
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Silverlancer
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Posted - 2004.05.21 10:17:00 -
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Pirating isn't a problem. It is a critical part of the game. The problems aren't the pirates, but those who give the pirates a bad name...
Scammers
Jerks who ask for tolls and kill you anyways
Empire-space kestrel griefers
Ore thieves.
These guys claim themselves to be "pirates" or something on that order, but they're not. People who safespot the instant they hit a fair fight aren't pirates. They're wimps, carebears. And people who steal ore aren't pirates, they're griefers. Ask m0o what true pirates are.
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pHASE 11
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Posted - 2004.05.21 10:21:00 -
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Edited by: pHASE 11 on 21/05/2004 10:29:52
The whole ebil pirates vs ebil alliances discussion is way wrong. I'm surprised to find a semi-constructive thread about it 
Disclaimer: The following view is my own and not necesarily the same as my corp/alliance.
Pirate = ganking anyone without reason and without proper warning.
Valid resons _could_ be:
* War declaration (concord sanctioned or not).
* Blatantly violating policies of the region claimer/owner/squatter (be it concord, corp or alliance).
* Too much immature smacktalking and threats.
* Scamming/Stealing/Corp theft.
* Revenge of earlier "criminal" act.
Podding someone is fun, getting podded yourself in a proper (not necessarily fair) combat sure hurts but is part of the game. Getting blown up without reason when you are not expecting it is not fun.
This might come as a suprise to some self-proclaimed pirates (lifewire) here but without you there would still be wars.
To try to answer the initial question:
PvP is fun the difference is how we choose targets. Some pirates do it by randomness and opportunity (as many low level criminals IRL), the pirate hunters seeks reasons and tries to target untrustworthy and "criminal-looking" behaviour.
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Von Schnopp
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Posted - 2004.05.21 12:16:00 -
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How about pirates how find joy in stalking their targets while they mine and hunt for NPC etc? I simply cruise up to my intended target and lock them down. Then I go on to politely greet them and ask them for a sum based on how long they've been around in EVE and what ship they fly etc. If they cooperate I release them and wish them a nice day. :)
I don't call myself pirate, I'm simply an opportunistic insurance dealer, hehe.
What shelf do I sit on in your little pirate behaviour index?
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Lifewire
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Posted - 2004.05.21 12:20:00 -
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Podding someone is fun, getting podded yourself in a proper (not necessarily fair) combat sure hurts but is part of the game. Getting blown up without reason when you are not expecting it is not fun.
This might come as a suprise to some self-proclaimed pirates (lifewire) here but without you there would still be wars.
I guess you where 1 of the 300 aunenen-podkills last 3 days. Try to see my view: how can i earn money with pirating? What would you do if you wish to start a pirate career? You cannot destroy a BS alone at a gate. If the enemy doesnt fight back, he will be able to jump before you break his hull. Pointless to do it alone as long enemy doesnt want a fight too. Second reason for a unfair fight(5 vs 1 for example) is: i need a fast lock time, warp scramblers, webbers, the full set to be able to force a player to fight, to make it impossible for him to flee, to toll him. Not only 1 warpscrambler, i need 8 and i need 3-4 Webbers to get a mwd-ship stopped. I need them surrounding the gate because the webber has 10 km range and ships are placed 12 away when they jump in.
These things are reasons why carebears canŠt even know how difficult succesfull pirating is. They just donŠt know what they talk about but talk a lot...
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Lifewire
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Posted - 2004.05.21 12:24:00 -
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How about pirates how find joy in stalking their targets while they mine and hunt for NPC etc? I simply cruise up to my intended target and lock them down.
Bullsh.., everybody sees you in local and warps to safespot. If you warp to a belt you wont be in 20km range to scramble, you can be dropped everywhere, at 50 km for example. So donŠt talk about pirating if you donŠt know anything about it. You "imagine" how you would do it...i do it since 1 year and know how it works and how it doesnt work. I say the gates are the combat zones and every pvp-player can state this. Some kills can be made in belts but the majority is done at gates, because they can only be done at gates. I guess if you where a pirate you would camp a belt 
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pHASE 11
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Posted - 2004.05.21 12:28:00 -
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Edited by: pHASE 11 on 21/05/2004 12:44:00
Edited by: pHASE 11 on 21/05/2004 12:37:30
Edited by: pHASE 11 on 21/05/2004 12:31:02
Originally by: Lifewire
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Podding someone is fun, getting podded yourself in a proper (not necessarily fair) combat sure hurts but is part of the game. Getting blown up without reason when you are not expecting it is not fun.
This might come as a suprise to some self-proclaimed pirates (lifewire) here but without you there would still be wars.
I guess you where 1 of the 300 aunenen-podkills last 3 days. Try to see my view: how can i earn money with pirating? What would you do if you wish to start a pirate career? You cannot destroy a BS alone at a gate. If the enemy doesnt fight back, he will be able to jump before you break his hull. Pointless to do it alone as long enemy doesnt want a fight too. Second reason for a unfair fight(5 vs 1 for example) is: i need a fast lock time, warp scramblers, webbers, the full set to be able to force a player to fight, to make it impossible for him to flee, to toll him. Not only 1 warpscrambler, i need 8 and i need 3-4 Webbers to get a mwd-ship stopped. I need them surrounding the gate because the webber has 10 km range and ships are placed 12 away when they jump in.
These things are reasons why carebears canŠt even know how difficult succesfull pirating is. They just donŠt know what they talk about but talk a lot...
Next time I suggest you read twice before quoting. There's no connection at all between what I wrote and your answer. Fair equal-number fights are welcome but I never expect them.
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Lifewire
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Posted - 2004.05.21 12:52:00 -
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Edited by: Lifewire on 21/05/2004 12:55:06
There is a connection: you expect the pirates to be how they cannot be if they want to strike succesfully. Pirates have to be mean, unfair, tricky. They donŠt enter your system and ask:"who wants to fight with me?". They have to force you and they need the firepower/locking speed/warp scramblers/webber to force and destroy you before you can flee by warping, loggin, mwding...since pirat ships medslots are full of sensor boosters, webbers, warp scramblers they cannot fight your tank 1 vs 1. After killing your ship they will podkill you to...
...end smacktalk in local
...prevent you from warning other pilots on the way
...to make sure the next tolled pod pays to survive
...because he simply doesnŠt like you (forum posts  )
...because he could be without webber and you approach the gate
...because he could be fitted without warpscrambler and only guns can stop you
...to do ISK damage (implants/clone costs)
podding is more than fun: itŠs nessesairy and i would only not podkill if enemy pays ISK + i donŠt expect mercy in my pod.
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pHASE 11
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Posted - 2004.05.21 13:27:00 -
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Originally by: Lifewire
Edited by: Lifewire on 21/05/2004 12:55:06
There is a connection: you expect the pirates to be how they cannot be if they want to strike succesfully. Pirates have to be mean, unfair, tricky. They donŠt enter your system and ask:"who wants to fight with me?".
I was trying to answer the original question. I do not go around telling anyone how they should do their business and I do not ask them if their choosen profession is difficult.
What I wrote was that even without "pirates" there would be pvp & war in eve.
I was also trying to point out that even if it's technically possible to gank/steal/smacktalk without a "good" reason people tend to get upset and may take it as a reason to start chasing you.
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Von Schnopp
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Posted - 2004.05.21 13:54:00 -
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Originally by: Lifewire
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How about pirates how find joy in stalking their targets while they mine and hunt for NPC etc? I simply cruise up to my intended target and lock them down.
Bullsh.., everybody sees you in local and warps to safespot. If you warp to a belt you wont be in 20km range to scramble, you can be dropped everywhere, at 50 km for example. So donŠt talk about pirating if you donŠt know anything about it. You "imagine" how you would do it...i do it since 1 year and know how it works and how it doesnt work. I say the gates are the combat zones and every pvp-player can state this. Some kills can be made in belts but the majority is done at gates, because they can only be done at gates. I guess if you where a pirate you would camp a belt
I don't imagine anything and it's not bull****. This is how I work on a regular basis and I'm not interested in systematic ganking at gates since there's no challenge in it. Not in empire space 0.5 - 0.1 at least. Sure, people with some degree of selfpreservation and perception will probably warp to safety right away but sometimes you just get lucky.
I know there's less to earn in doing it my way but I can't help that I prefer to hunt. And hey, I've got a MWD on my ship that really helps closing the distance to 20km pretty fast mind you ;)
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Lifewire
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Posted - 2004.05.21 15:03:00 -
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What I wrote was that even without "pirates" there would be pvp & war in eve.
The first thing that would happen without pirates is that one alliance calls another to be "pirates" In a pvp game aggressors are important. People that start a shipfight, a fleetbattle, a campaign, a war! ItŠs only a question of dimension and a question of success you will have with your aggression. You wanted to say pirates are killing ships for fun and how much "better" the alliance wars are.
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Acix
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Posted - 2004.05.21 16:23:00 -
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Edited by: Acix on 21/05/2004 16:25:25
If killing ships wasn't fun, i wouldn't pay to play eve and be a Merc.
We all do what is fun for us in this game. The thrill of the hunt, chase, and kill; is what keeps me playing.
I don't try to force miners into a specific way of mining, so they shouldn't try to force me to operate a certain way.
I have locked down dozens of ships and had to fire and destroy them after the ransom was not paid. To date i think we have had about 2 people pay. All the rest try to log off and get ****ed when we destroy their ship.
Tell you the truth, its really not worth the time or effort.
SNIGG is now officially open for business. We are a merc corp looking for contracts.
For more info click below
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=68313 |
Gold Star
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Posted - 2004.05.21 16:33:00 -
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Edited by: Gold Star on 21/05/2004 16:35:48
umm Pirating is ok with me, all these people out there who want to be knights in shining armor and hunt pirates down, so if say we got rid of pirates then what would they do
Pirates however anoying they are sometimes, (loosing that indy etc) they make life in eve that little bit more intresting nothing better than to be on the edge, haulling in 0.0, watching out for that lonly pirate lurking round the next system :)
Though losing a indy full of bistot can be  + but if you dont like it rought go and mine in a 1.0 sustem
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Posted - 2004.05.23 06:04:00 -
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Edited by: deathfighter on 23/05/2004 06:07:52
Edited by: deathfighter on 23/05/2004 06:06:08
Edited by: deathfighter on 23/05/2004 06:05:53
Well i think pirating is good and i like fighting pirates...
as long as they have honor and behave on some sort of code. i don't think pod killing is a good idea because ppl might quit eve and no fun in that. more ppl's more fun.
last night i was on a rupture and had 2 pirates in thorax claiming that they were not pirates and ataking me. after i almoust killed 1 they both ran away. i dont mind people ataking me for no reason but i HATE people who start a fight and run away.
Even pirates should have honor and most of them do.
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Lifewire
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Posted - 2004.05.23 11:30:00 -
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i HATE people who start a fight and run away
Yea we know - you would fight alone vs 10 enemys, you are my hero. In Aunenen we saw a fleet with full trousers outnumbering us 3 to 1. All sitting in jump- and sentryguns-range. We were 150 km away, visual contact. We saw 1 celest BS jumping throught that fleet instead of joining the fleet. We got sleepy and docked, except Zarquon. We saw the fleet of 20 ships attacking when Zarquon was alone, so we warped back to him and toasted all cruisers and frigates and we would have toasted all BS if they wouldnt have warped. We know the "honor" of the "good guys". They send their n00b-corpmates cruisers into death and warp their BS into safety. They never fight us if we outnumber: all they do is approach gate, jump or warp.
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Mah Kraah
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Posted - 2004.05.24 00:14:00 -
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piracy is fine to me , its a part of the wild west feeling in eve.
what i do hate is random noob pod killing! nothing to earn no pay of , only "warm" feling of destroying some players fun and existance in this game, u guys are ill. have u ever thought about the fact that many noobs do not have a clone?? just didnt learned that there are ppl who do sucha sensless things??
random podkiller are ill and should be reseted to noob character( remove all they own and set all skills to 0) to learn what they do to the ppl. coz thats exactly what they do to the noobs they shoot down sitting in there battleships. why cant u just shoot down there ships plunder what they drop and let there pods fly ???
in war its a difference but ppl who are in a playercorp and who are involved into a war do know the risk and theys do have a clone, ther game is not over if they get podkilled.
if u podkillers cant stop it in general than please do only kill pods of players at least 8 weeks old.
they had than the time to learn how manny ****head as...... do fly around here and shurly invested into a clone.
ps: i got sensless podkilled ( member of a npc corp, in empirespace on a agent mission, no cargo, sitting in a shuttle, no droped modules) 3 days after i invested into a clone . i was verry lucky , other young characters was not so lucky and just quit this game coz they sensless lost weeks of dedication and the money thy payed for this acount. they had not the will to pay on for this game and start from scratch again. may a basic clone with 500k skillpoints as default for everyone will solve this .
easyer would be if the socalled pirats just stop there behavior and let pods fly
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Kyogen Steiner
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Posted - 2004.05.24 01:16:00 -
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I do agree with my Man Von Schnopp there. Hunting in belts is half the fun. Its a challange, and if someone gets away, fine, he was fast, most targets dont. Its all about setup and combinations. Hunting alone makes it more complicated, but its a challange, sometimes you win sometimes you dont. Either way, its fun.
Im not very fond of gatecamping tho. You lose security status fast, Its easy, probably more profitable but damn it gets boring.
All in all, pirating is still alive, but alot of things have changed since the nerf and i think most pirates have taken the time to adapt to the new systems and started to use alternatives to gatecamping(shieldtanking)
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