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Alak D'bor
Viper Squad
Souls of Vengeance
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Posted - 2008.07.06 12:07:00 -
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Edited by: Alak D''bor on 06/07/2008 12:08:33
Shadarle, you are a liar and a coward, and I say so to your face in front of your peers. I slap my glove across your face sir.
2008.07.06 11:56
Syncore has declared war on LI0NS Industries.
After 24 hours fighting can legally occur between those involved.
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Jastra
Gallente
Black Thorne Corporation
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Posted - 2008.07.06 14:34:00 -
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what ?
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Kushion
Anti Sweden Defense Force
Virtue of Selfishness
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Posted - 2008.07.06 14:53:00 -
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...good luck PVPing with a trader. While I can't confirm this is true, I hear traders spend a lot of time out of station. 4 seiriouse.
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cosmoray
Cosmoray Construction
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Posted - 2008.07.06 14:57:00 -
[4]
 Originally by: Alak D'bor
Edited by: Alak D''bor on 06/07/2008 12:47:04
Shadarle, you are a liar and a coward, and I say so to your face in front of your peers. I slap my glove across your face sir. My market ***** against the whole lot of your alts of absolutely no honor.
2008.07.06 11:56
Syncore has declared war on LI0NS Industries.
After 24 hours fighting can legally occur between those involved.
rather large lolz.
He probably doesn't leave the station.
If your gonna flame him and curse him, at least tell us his alleged crime?
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Ray McCormack
hirr
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Posted - 2008.07.06 15:05:00 -
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Originally by: cosmoray
at least tell us his alleged crime?
Being Shadarle is a crime in itself.
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northwesten
Amarr
Trinity Corporate Services
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Posted - 2008.07.06 15:06:00 -
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Originally by: cosmoray
Originally by: Alak D'bor
Edited by: Alak D''bor on 06/07/2008 12:47:04
Shadarle, you are a liar and a coward, and I say so to your face in front of your peers. I slap my glove across your face sir. My market ***** against the whole lot of your alts of absolutely no honor.
2008.07.06 11:56
Syncore has declared war on LI0NS Industries.
After 24 hours fighting can legally occur between those involved.
rather large lolz.
He probably doesn't leave the station.
If your gonna flame him and curse him, at least tell us his alleged crime?
I bet just been smarter I guess 
Trinity Corporate Services
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Ricdics
Corporate Placement Holding
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Posted - 2008.07.06 15:13:00 -
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The most amazing thing about this whole thread is that everyone spelt his name right. |
Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2008.07.06 15:15:00 -
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Originally by: Ricdics
The most amazing thing about this whole thread is that everyone spelt his name right.
Truly, I was in awe of that.
To Shar -verb:
1 - To say what you mean.
2 - To say what it means.
3 - To say something mean. |
Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles
Zzz
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Posted - 2008.07.06 15:18:00 -
[9]
Originally by: cosmoray
If your gonna flame him and curse him, at least tell us his alleged crime?
Lying and cowardice, apparently, but details would be interesting.
Zzz research towers
Direrie
NEW: Liekuri
20:1 low-end compression |
Roguehalo
Caldari
RH Ship Brokers
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Posted - 2008.07.06 15:23:00 -
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Camping a trader gotta be one of the smarter moves in Eve 
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Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles
Zzz
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Posted - 2008.07.06 15:30:00 -
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Right in there after camping a research alliance - most people who've gone after Zzz have given up out of sheer boredom...
Zzz research towers
Direrie
NEW: Liekuri
20:1 low-end compression |
YouGotRipped
Ewigkeit
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Posted - 2008.07.06 15:59:00 -
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Originally by: Ray McCormack
Originally by: cosmoray
at least tell us his alleged crime?
Being Shadarle is a crime in itself.
For someone that begs for appreciation and respect as much as Shadarle does, even this thread is a positive thing.
Of course if the OP would be a bit smarter he'd program a market bot and go f his gf in the meanwhile.
But really why bother... unless you yourself share the same values as Shadarle. In which case I won't bother writing more.
Motherships
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Alak D'bor
Viper Squad
Souls of Vengeance
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Posted - 2008.07.06 16:15:00 -
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Of course it was for the rise:
"2008.07.06 15:43
Just curious what you are wanting out of the war dec.
Got a merc corp waiting for my reply, But I know you're prob going to want to offer me a "cheap" way out. This number will be important, if it's even remotely high I will spend 2-3x that number on defenses if needed and/or remove my entire POS chain to avoid paying it. I hate unreasonable numbers :)"
Spoken like a true shylock. Bring on the mercs *****, one way or the other that POS network is coming down.
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Jinx Barker
GFB Scientific
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Posted - 2008.07.06 19:37:00 -
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Originally by: Ricdics
The most amazing thing about this whole thread is that everyone spelt his name right.
I know, I always misspell it, always.
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Karanth
Gallente
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.07.06 19:39:00 -
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I'm missing the market part, as I doubt those mercs were bought there, and the PvP, because, well.....
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cosmoray
Cosmoray Construction
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Posted - 2008.07.06 19:42:00 -
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Originally by: Alak D'bor
Edited by: Alak D''bor on 06/07/2008 17:09:23
"2008.07.06 15:43
Just curious what you are wanting out of the war dec.
Got a merc corp waiting for my reply, But I know you're prob going to want to offer me a "cheap" way out. This number will be important, if it's even remotely high I will spend 2-3x that number on defenses if needed and/or remove my entire POS chain to avoid paying it. I hate unreasonable numbers :)"
Spoken like a true shylock. Bring on the mercs *****, one way or the other that POS network is coming down.
You just a griefer after some attention!
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Petyr Baelich
Taggart Transdimensional
Virtue of Selfishness
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Posted - 2008.07.06 20:00:00 -
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I WOULD WARRIOR FOR MARKET-SHARE BELONG TO ME!
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Bloody Rabbit
Jita Miners
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Posted - 2008.07.06 21:06:00 -
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Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro
Right in there after camping a research alliance - most people who've gone after Zzz have given up out of sheer boredom...
If I was going to war dec a research alliance I would target the chain of POS. But I don't have the numbers nor the time for that. But I could see how hitting a chain of POS would hurt your alliance.
As for the OP, Good luck? I guess.
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Tasko Pal
Heron Corporation
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Posted - 2008.07.06 22:56:00 -
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My take on this. If you want to defeat the Shad, you must 0.01 all his orders, deliver all his courier contracts as late as possible, and of course deliver resounding smack on the forums. I look forward to Shad's plea for mercy as you um, somehow figure a way to bother him.
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Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles
Zzz
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Posted - 2008.07.06 23:06:00 -
[20]
Originally by: Bloody Rabbit
Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro
Right in there after camping a research alliance - most people who've gone after Zzz have given up out of sheer boredom...
If I was going to war dec a research alliance I would target the chain of POS. But I don't have the numbers nor the time for that. But I could see how hitting a chain of POS would hurt your alliance.
As for the OP, Good luck? I guess.
Heh, it takes so many man-hours to take down a large high-sec tower (even one without defences) that it's just not worthwhile. All concerned would be much better off running level 4 missions.
Zzz research towers
Direrie
NEW: Liekuri
20:1 low-end compression |
Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2008.07.07 03:33:00 -
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war decing a trader, even one with a POS chain is like stubbing your toe on the night stand in the middle of the night.
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Karanth
Gallente
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.07.07 05:55:00 -
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Originally by: Petyr Baelich
I WOULD WARRIOR FOR MARKET-SHARE BELONG TO ME!
...rawcola?
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Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles
Zzz
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Posted - 2008.07.07 11:00:00 -
[23]
Originally by: Karanth
Originally by: Petyr Baelich
I WOULD WARRIOR FOR MARKET-SHARE BELONG TO ME!
...rawcola?
Guess again.
Zzz research towers
Direrie
NEW: Liekuri
20:1 low-end compression |
MilowFV
Echo Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2008.07.07 11:02:00 -
[24]
Gammon?
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Alak D'bor
Viper Squad
Souls of Vengeance
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Posted - 2008.07.07 11:08:00 -
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Originally by: Kazzac Elentria
war decing a trader, even one with a POS chain is like stubbing your toe on the night stand in the middle of the night.
It hurts for a minute, but in the morning you'll have forgotten all about it.
Did you miss the glove slap? This is a vendetta, and it goes away when Eve shuts down or the shylock spends the rest of his days in a nubcorp.
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Argenton Sayvers
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Posted - 2008.07.07 11:19:00 -
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For High Sec POS destruction services, i highly recommend Imorral Dragons. They are highly trained professional killers, and capable to use both force and subterfuge.
I "heard rumors" that they recently took down a protected, manned faction large tower within 4 hours total. Currently, they are in the process of dismantelling a faction-fit, defended Deathstar while the owner is left to watch powerless.
Contact Lymara for their great services, and send my regards.
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Alak D'bor
Viper Squad
Souls of Vengeance
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Posted - 2008.07.07 11:25:00 -
[27]
Originally by: Argenton Sayvers
For High Sec POS destruction services, i highly recommend Imorral Dragons.
I <3 the ID. They've popped more than one of my haulers \o/.
Thanks for the tip, if my "'Male genitalia' in empire" friends aren't interested, I'll jangle Lymara.
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Gawain Hill
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Posted - 2008.07.07 11:29:00 -
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ok if my guess is right isnt shardel sufficently rich to pay a half dozen merc corps to not only war dec the people dec'ing him but also the merc corp that they higher to take down his high sec pos's and still be able to do all his trading at the same time?
ofcause the fact he'd have to go to the effort of highering a few merc corps might bother him a little bit but i'm sure he'd get over it.
or have people forgotten that he makes lots of isk hell he might even get bored and war dec himself with a few alts and bump up the prices sky high to keep the war dec's going.
more to the point eve isnt about honor it's about shafting the guy who's compeating with you and then if you're a trader and the like then honor would only make you lose isk why be nice to your competition and poor when you can be nice to your friends and rich?
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Alak D'bor
Viper Squad
Souls of Vengeance
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Posted - 2008.07.07 11:33:00 -
[29]
Originally by: Gawain Hill
ok if my guess is right isnt shardel sufficently rich to pay a half dozen merc corps to not only war dec the people dec'ing him but also the merc corp that they higher to take down his high sec pos's and still be able to do all his trading at the same time?
Actually you've asked a very astute question, which rephrased is this: Is Shadarle a man capable of pulling out his wallet to project power (at heart a pvper) or is he a shylock that skulks in the night jealously guarding his meaningless little bag of gold hung around his neck?
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Gawain Hill
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Posted - 2008.07.07 11:40:00 -
[30]
Originally by: Alak D'bor
Originally by: Gawain Hill
ok if my guess is right isnt shardel sufficently rich to pay a half dozen merc corps to not only war dec the people dec'ing him but also the merc corp that they higher to take down his high sec pos's and still be able to do all his trading at the same time?
Actually you've asked a very astute question, which rephrased is this: Is Shadarle a man capable of pulling out his wallet to project power (at heart a pvper) or is he a shylock that skulks in the night jealously guarding his meaningless little bag of gold hung around his neck?
or put properly does he wish to waste money on someone who wishes to PvP with him/his alts/his isk. The fact you want to PvP with him is irrelivent if he dosent want to PvP with you.
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Alak D'bor
Viper Squad
Souls of Vengeance
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Posted - 2008.07.07 11:54:00 -
[31]
Originally by: Gawain Hill
Originally by: Alak D'bor
Originally by: Gawain Hill
ok if my guess is right isnt shardel sufficently rich to pay a half dozen merc corps to not only war dec the people dec'ing him but also the merc corp that they higher to take down his high sec pos's and still be able to do all his trading at the same time?
Actually you've asked a very astute question, which rephrased is this: Is Shadarle a man capable of pulling out his wallet to project power (at heart a pvper) or is he a shylock that skulks in the night jealously guarding his meaningless little bag of gold hung around his neck?
or put properly does he wish to waste money on someone who wishes to PvP with him/his alts/his isk. The fact you want to PvP with him is irrelivent if he dosent want to PvP with you.
His anchored towers and that little bag of gold around his neck says that he'll respond according to his true character.
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cosmoray
Cosmoray Construction
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Posted - 2008.07.07 12:44:00 -
[32]
Your not very prepared with your wardec then?
You are now looking for info on the location of his POS's.
I might be tempted to give some of the locations, if you outline the drama leading to the wardec.
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Ambo
Dirty Deeds Corp.
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.07.07 13:44:00 -
[33]
Indeeed. More drama required!
At the moment it has potential but just looks like a lot of hot air...
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CornerStoner
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Posted - 2008.07.07 14:12:00 -
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I hope its juicy drama.
If it isnÆt at least embellish it so it seems juicy.
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Roguehalo
Caldari
RH Ship Brokers
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Posted - 2008.07.07 14:51:00 -
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I don't think Shadarle does 'juicy'
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2008.07.07 15:48:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Roguehalo
I don't think Shadarle does 'juicy'
he already offloaded his entire stock of sweat pants with 'juicy' on them to me. Now I'm stuck trying to shill these things on the Caldari market... you all just don't appreciate the swagger they bring to a rear end.
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2008.07.07 17:32:00 -
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I don't read the forums much for a few days and I miss a thread directed at me? I didn't realize how much people around here missed my presence... a war-dec just to get me to post more is really quite flattering.
Alak D'bor is Danari, for those here who do not know. He makes Ravens. Lots of Ravens. This makes him very special.
I had a previous war-dec a few months ago, that was fun, I actually got to defend my towers and earned some new friends in the process. I was hoping for some more fun, seems I won't get it this time around.
Danari, I play a whole 5-15 minutes per day on average right now, so your war-dec is going to greatly impact my life. Please sir, make it go away, oh... wait... time for me to log for a bit! Please know I will be worried again sometime later in the day when I log in for a few more minutes.
If there are any large alliance reps reading these forums please contact me, I may be willing to spend a large sum of money financing your alliance if you are willing to undertake a small war for me. Thanks in advance 
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Alak D'bor
Viper Squad
Souls of Vengeance
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Posted - 2008.07.08 10:42:00 -
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lol I wardec alliances for fun on my crap skill empire *****. The bigger the alliance you hire, the more targets for me. But I know you won't do it. Your little bag of gold around your neck is your pathetic little precious...
And this just in, you either have to bring your towers down which you certainly can't do in 15 minutes, or I'll pay to have them blown up. I daresay your gameplay is going to be affected.
I'll see either you or your space trash in local shortly.
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Ricdics
Corporate Placement Holding
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Posted - 2008.07.08 12:04:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Alak D'bor
jibberish
What did Shadarle do to you? Did you accidentally sell 50 ravens below market cost to one of his catch-all buy orders? If so I think the blame may have been misplaced tbh.
Or even better, you missed an extra zero on those 50 ravens and sold them all to Shadarle at 9m per unit? |
jna
Caldari
Black Ash Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.07.08 12:17:00 -
[40]
This is better than C&P, CAOD and SHC combined!
/me gets popcorn
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Caeleste naves interretis res gravissimas sunt |
Ramblin Man
Empyreum
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Posted - 2008.07.08 14:45:00 -
[41]
Agreed. Bump for drama: needs more.
have love, willing to
give it industrially .CCPGinger |
Selene D'Celeste
Caldari
The D'Celeste Trading Company
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Posted - 2008.07.08 14:48:00 -
[42]
This almost makes me want to read this forum again. Almost.
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Sethi3
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Posted - 2008.07.08 16:36:00 -
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Man, the suspense is killing me!
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2008.07.08 17:05:00 -
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Danari has no reason for the war-dec, it is a meaningless war-dec, which is why all of my POS's are still operating at 100% capacity. I doubt he even has the first clue the name of a single alt I use to run my POS chain, which makes the whole thing rather boring.
But like I said, I barely play these days, so even if Danari can somehow manage to find out where my chain is... the most he'll get out of it is saving me a lot of time and effort. The only reason I've kept my POS's up and running for the past 4 months is because I've been begged to keep the moon minerals coming for some friends who don't have the connections or know-how to keep the thing operating as I do. I'd really rather be rid of the stupid things so I can scale back my play time even further.
It seems Danari is not going to be up to the challenge though. He accuses me of being a carebear... yet all he does is issue war-decs on his alt, he doesn't even know what he is getting himself into or what his targets are. Not very professional at all. Sad. I guess all that time building ravens has made him forgot how to do the pew-pew correctly.
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cosmoray
Cosmoray Construction
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Posted - 2008.07.08 17:06:00 -
[45]
I think if he doesn't tell us the drama we should all chip in and have mercs dec Alak D'bor / Danari out of boredom!
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Alak D'bor
Viper Squad
Souls of Vengeance
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Posted - 2008.07.08 18:19:00 -
[46]
I can't wardec from my mains, they won't give me access 
2008.07.08 14:25
xPlaguex has declared war on Syncore.
After 24 hours fighting can legally occur between those involved.
Cheers for the targets, I hope they show up.
I don't have to be well organized, Jedediah. At this rate I may be broke in another 50 or 60 years.
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Absimi Liard
Gallente
Confederate Miners Union of Eve
space weaponry and trade
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Posted - 2008.07.08 19:17:00 -
[47]
Originally by: cosmoray
I think if he doesn't tell us the drama we should all chip in and have mercs dec Alak D'bor / Danari out of boredom!
I'm so totally with Cosmoray on this. I want gossip, and sleaze, damnit! There's not enough ego in building, why should the pew pew types get all the fun?!?
I'll toss some ISKies into that pot if we don't get details, happily.
-abs
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SonOfAGhost
Minmatar
Minmatar Munitions and Tactical Assets Repository
Zzz
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Posted - 2008.07.08 21:11:00 -
[48]
I have no idea what (if any) religion Shadarle adhere's to, but I'd suggest toning down the repeated anti-semitic comments before the mods notice.
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EVE's economy is **** for CPAs, Annuities, and Stock Brokers.
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jna
Caldari
Black Ash Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.07.08 21:45:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Shadarle
Danari has no reason for the war-dec, it is a meaningless war-dec, which is why all of my POS's are still operating at 100% capacity. I doubt he even has the first clue the name of a single alt I use to run my POS chain, which makes the whole thing rather boring.
But like I said, I barely play these days, so even if Danari can somehow manage to find out where my chain is... the most he'll get out of it is saving me a lot of time and effort. The only reason I've kept my POS's up and running for the past 4 months is because I've been begged to keep the moon minerals coming for some friends who don't have the connections or know-how to keep the thing operating as I do. I'd really rather be rid of the stupid things so I can scale back my play time even further.
It seems Danari is not going to be up to the challenge though. He accuses me of being a carebear... yet all he does is issue war-decs on his alt, he doesn't even know what he is getting himself into or what his targets are. Not very professional at all. Sad. I guess all that time building ravens has made him forgot how to do the pew-pew correctly.
Good god.
The first pre-emptive "I didn't want those POSes anyway", CAOD-stylee post.
/me adds butter to popcorn
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2008.07.08 22:20:00 -
[50]
Originally by: SonO***host
I have no idea what (if any) religion Shadarle adhere's to, but I'd suggest toning down the repeated anti-semitic comments before the mods notice.
I'm curious what you're talking about. As I don't believe I've said a single antisemitic thing... but hey, some people are very sensitive these days so please do explain what I said that offends you.
Originally by: Absimi Liard
Originally by: cosmoray
I think if he doesn't tell us the drama we should all chip in and have mercs dec Alak D'bor / Danari out of boredom!
I'm so totally with Cosmoray on this. I want gossip, and sleaze, damnit! There's not enough ego in building, why should the pew pew types get all the fun?!?
I'll toss some ISKies into that pot if we don't get details, happily.
-abs
Sorry guys, there is no drama or anything like it to post. Danari is obviously upset that his Raven selling business is not as profitable as what I do. Don't think there is anything else to it.
Originally by: Alak D'bor
Just found a dread tower with torp batteries, 8 advanced labs and an ammo array. That ring any bells? It's a good thing you didn't want those towers anyway...
Oh hey, you found my high-sec tower! Might notice it isn't operational, hasn't been used for copying in a month+ now, it's just in death-star mode because I haven't had the time to go around un-anchoring everything. Please, by all means, attack it. If I get even a few minutes of POS defense in then it will be worth it to me. I'll try to be online for ya so I can direct the guns, havn't had a chance to fire my large projectiles yet!
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Kwint Sommer
Caldari
Lothian Quay Industries
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Posted - 2008.07.08 22:20:00 -
[51]
Originally by: SonO***host
I have no idea what (if any) religion Shadarle adhere's to, but I'd suggest toning down the repeated anti-semitic comments before the mods notice.
What the hell are you talking about?
Purchasing and Shipping Moon Minerals |
Shadarle
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Posted - 2008.07.08 22:29:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Kwint Sommer
Originally by: SonO***host
I have no idea what (if any) religion Shadarle adhere's to, but I'd suggest toning down the repeated anti-semitic comments before the mods notice.
What the hell are you talking about?
Thank you for phrasing it the way I was thinking it, not the polite way I asked it.
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Sphynx Stormlord
Gallente
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.07.08 23:07:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Kwint Sommer
Originally by: SonO***host
I have no idea what (if any) religion Shadarle adhere's to, but I'd suggest toning down the repeated anti-semitic comments before the mods notice.
What the hell are you talking about?
Some people refered to Shadarle as a Shylock, which referes to the jewish moneylender of that name in Shakespear's 'Merchant of Venice'. The one who wanted the pound of flesh.
Some people may find it offensive, I guess.
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2008.07.09 00:08:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Sphynx Stormlord
Originally by: Kwint Sommer
Originally by: SonO***host
I have no idea what (if any) religion Shadarle adhere's to, but I'd suggest toning down the repeated anti-semitic comments before the mods notice.
What the hell are you talking about?
Some people refered to Shadarle as a Shylock, which referes to the jewish moneylender of that name in Shakespear's 'Merchant of Venice'. The one who wanted the pound of flesh.
Some people may find it offensive, I guess.
Wow... people are really thin skinned if that is offensive to them. Sorry, but it's a term that has entered the lexicon. The term was used at me and I didn't find it antisemitic and I was born and raised Jewish! I found it to be an attack on me clearly, but that was the point of saying it. I have no problem with people attacking me on the forums... and speaking as the person who was the target of the term I can say I took and find no offense in it... in case the mods take that into account.
That said, this entire thread is pretty darn off-topic. A war-dec has nothing to do with market PvP. Heck, Danari hasn't even done anything but hiss and growl nor has he listed any grievances (since his only grievance is being inferior to me in financial matters and he isn't about to admit to it). So perhaps he should rename this thread:
"This is what real market discussion posturing looks like!"
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Rynar II
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Posted - 2008.07.09 01:20:00 -
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Shadarle you're a joke.
Even if this war dec goes nowhere and does you no damage, your "I didn't want those towers" and " I want to quit EvE anyway" comments makes me laugh out loud at you.
You have proven yourself to be the pathetic little creature we all know you to be from these forums.
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Professor Leech
Southern Light Entertainment
Black Scope Project
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Posted - 2008.07.09 01:30:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Alak D'bor
Just found a dread tower with torp batteries, 8 advanced labs and an ammo array.
I still don't understand why people use launchers on a pos.
Originally by: Crawe DeRaven
this thread is obviously going places
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Ricdics
Corporate Placement Holding
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Posted - 2008.07.09 01:59:00 -
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Originally by: Rynar II
Shadarle you're a joke.
Even if this war dec goes nowhere and does you no damage, your "I didn't want those towers" and " I want to quit EvE anyway" comments makes me laugh out loud at you.
You have proven yourself to be the pathetic little creature we all know you to be from these forums.
Alt of Alak by any chance?
A bit of an FYI. He hasn't been playing very much at all of late nor has he been posting. Stop making empty threats and attacks with your alt and do it. Go attack those POS's, stop talking crap. I don't see the point of the personal & verbal attacks though, this isn't CAOD and we don't want that rubbish here. MD is not the place for twelve year olds. |
Vrizuh
VTECHS
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Posted - 2008.07.09 03:35:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Professor Leech
Originally by: Alak D'bor
Just found a dread tower with torp batteries, 8 advanced labs and an ammo array.
I still don't understand why people use launchers on a pos.
If I had a high-sec POS that I was sure wouldn't be taken down, I'd use launchers. Just to watch the pretty explosions ^^
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2008.07.09 12:11:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Ricdics
Originally by: Rynar II
Shadarle you're a joke.
Even if this war dec goes nowhere and does you no damage, your "I didn't want those towers" and " I want to quit EvE anyway" comments makes me laugh out loud at you.
You have proven yourself to be the pathetic little creature we all know you to be from these forums.
Alt of Alak by any chance?
A bit of an FYI. He hasn't been playing very much at all of late nor has he been posting. Stop making empty threats and attacks with your alt and do it. Go attack those POS's, stop talking crap. I don't see the point of the personal & verbal attacks though, this isn't CAOD and we don't want that rubbish here. MD is not the place for twelve year olds.
Sums it up nicely. Not to mention I never said I was gonna quit EVE, just reducing my time in EVE. I can play EVE for free for the next decade with all my alts, so I have no reason to quit for good. My POS chain (which still has yet to be found) takes up the majority of my time, the POS that was *maybe* found takes up a good hour or two a month of my time (in other words not very much) as I no longer actually use it for anything.
Maybe I should just start building massive amounts of Ravens and selling them at a 1% profit in all major hubs. Watch the Raven profit plummet to nothing. Now THAT is real market PVP, unlike this lame attempt for a thread.
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Chira Netanru
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Posted - 2008.07.09 14:20:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Shadarle
Maybe I should just start building massive amounts of Ravens and selling them at a 1% profit in all major hubs. Watch the Raven profit plummet to nothing. Now THAT is real market PVP, unlike this lame attempt for a thread.
You don't have enough isk to saturate the Raven market. Sorry to burst your bubble, honey. You probably don't even have enough isk to buy enough BPOs to saturate the Raven market, and you certainly don't have enough playtime to get the Ravens delivered, let alone the raw materials.
You have the right of it though, real market PVP would be either exposing all the ways in which Shadarle makes money or reducing Shadarle's margins to nothing through some other means.
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cosmoray
Cosmoray Construction
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Posted - 2008.07.09 14:32:00 -
[61]
Originally by: Chira Netanru
Originally by: Shadarle
Maybe I should just start building massive amounts of Ravens and selling them at a 1% profit in all major hubs. Watch the Raven profit plummet to nothing. Now THAT is real market PVP, unlike this lame attempt for a thread.
You don't have enough isk to saturate the Raven market. Sorry to burst your bubble, honey. You probably don't even have enough isk to buy enough BPOs to saturate the Raven market, and you certainly don't have enough playtime to get the Ravens delivered, let alone the raw materials.
You have the right of it though, real market PVP would be either exposing all the ways in which Shadarle makes money or reducing Shadarle's margins to nothing through some other means.
Slap!
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YouGotRipped
Ewigkeit
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Posted - 2008.07.09 14:48:00 -
[62]
Edited by: YouGotRipped on 09/07/2008 14:48:10
Originally by: cosmoray
Slap!
It would be a waste of emotional momentum to slap someone just once.
Slap! Slap!
Now that's much better.
Motherships
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2008.07.09 15:59:00 -
[63]
Edited by: Shadarle on 09/07/2008 16:02:45
Edited by: Shadarle on 09/07/2008 16:01:21
Originally by: Chira Netanru
Originally by: Shadarle
Maybe I should just start building massive amounts of Ravens and selling them at a 1% profit in all major hubs. Watch the Raven profit plummet to nothing. Now THAT is real market PVP, unlike this lame attempt for a thread.
You don't have enough isk to saturate the Raven market. Sorry to burst your bubble
At around 1 bil per they are pretty darn cheap, what would it take... 20-30 BPO's maybe? Not exactly big money.
As to logistics, you're right I wouldn't have the patience or time to personally ship them around everywhere. But if you think I personally would have to then you are a bit naive.
The only question is if I consider it worth my time and effort. I don't really think Danari is worth it... I mean... all he can do is create a thread to let out his hot air.
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Fader Bane
Black Knight Buccaneers
Daisho Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.07.09 16:55:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Alak D'bor
lol I wardec alliances for fun on my crap skill empire *****. The bigger the alliance you hire, the more targets for me. But I know you won't do it. Your little bag of gold around your neck is your pathetic little precious...
And this just in, you either have to bring your towers down which you certainly can't do in 15 minutes, or I'll pay to have them blown up. I daresay your gameplay is going to be affected.
I'll see either you or your space trash in local shortly.
you must be new here.
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Chira Netanru
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Posted - 2008.07.09 19:27:00 -
[65]
Edited by: Chira Netanru on 09/07/2008 19:27:12
Originally by: Shadarle
At around 1 bil per they are pretty darn cheap, what would it take... 20-30 BPO's maybe? Not exactly big money.
Right, because you're going to spend the time to research 30 BS prints to try to impact Danari's Raven market. They're going for 1.4bil researched, and take around 550-580mil isk of minerals to keep producing 24/7, so 17bil in minerals per day plus 42bil for the BPOs.
Assuming you can manage an epic 3 day turnaround from manufacture to sale and you're up to 51bil in ships constantly plus your 17bil consumption, and we get to the crux of the matter where I disbelieve that Shadarle has 110bil of easily liquid isk for an endeavor of this scope.
You're just as full of hotair as the OP.
BTW; you both should look into location agents.
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2008.07.09 19:43:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Chira Netanru
Edited by: Chira Netanru on 09/07/2008 19:27:12
Originally by: Shadarle
At around 1 bil per they are pretty darn cheap, what would it take... 20-30 BPO's maybe? Not exactly big money.
Right, because you're going to spend the time to research 30 BS prints to try to impact Danari's Raven market. They're going for 1.4bil researched, and take around 550-580mil isk of minerals to keep producing 24/7, so 17bil in minerals per day plus 42bil for the BPOs.
Assuming you can manage an epic 3 day turnaround from manufacture to sale and you're up to 51bil in ships constantly plus your 17bil consumption, and we get to the crux of the matter where I disbelieve that Shadarle has 110bil of easily liquid isk for an endeavor of this scope.
You're just as full of hotair as the OP.
BTW; you both should look into location agents.
As I have said, the question is not if I have the money, but if it's worth it for a nobody like Danari. 110 bil is less than the number I calculated when I determined how much money I'd need to completely crash the Raven market. Of course I always over-do things, hate being caught a little short.
And as to the problem of researching the BPO's, that is not a problem. Raven BPO's are very common. I know this all too well.
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jna
Caldari
Black Ash Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.07.10 15:23:00 -
[67]
Less chit-chat, more laser pewpew please!
I certainly hope we can count on blow-by-blow combat progress reports in this thread?
!!1!eleventy-1one!1!!
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Inertial
The Python Cartel
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Posted - 2008.07.11 08:57:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Shadarle
As I have said, the question is not if I have the money, but if it's worth it for a nobody like Danari. 110 bil is less than the number I calculated when I determined how much money I'd need to completely crash the Raven market. Of course I always over-do things, hate being caught a little short.
And as to the problem of researching the BPO's, that is not a problem. Raven BPO's are very common. I know this all too well.
...
If you are have actually calculated and considered spending 110 million just to impact somones profit a bit. I am not sure how to ask, but 250 millions can I haz it?
we are recruiting!
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Khasarve
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Posted - 2008.07.11 09:54:00 -
[69]
ah and this is what pew pew threads in market forum turn into ... a discussion on the cost and logistics of producing large batches of Ravens
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2008.07.11 12:56:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Khasarve
ah and this is what pew pew threads in market forum turn into ... a discussion on the cost and logistics of producing large batches of Ravens
Or movie quotes... it can go both ways really. Just depends on how much coffee any of us have had that day. |
Seb Balaak
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Posted - 2008.07.11 16:56:00 -
[71]
Edited by: Seb Balaak on 11/07/2008 16:57:57
Originally by: Shadarle
Originally by: Chira Netanru
Edited by: Chira Netanru on 09/07/2008 19:27:12
Originally by: Shadarle
At around 1 bil per they are pretty darn cheap, what would it take... 20-30 BPO's maybe? Not exactly big money.
Right, because you're going to spend the time to research 30 BS prints to try to impact Danari's Raven market. They're going for 1.4bil researched, and take around 550-580mil isk of minerals to keep producing 24/7, so 17bil in minerals per day plus 42bil for the BPOs.
Assuming you can manage an epic 3 day turnaround from manufacture to sale and you're up to 51bil in ships constantly plus your 17bil consumption, and we get to the crux of the matter where I disbelieve that Shadarle has 110bil of easily liquid isk for an endeavor of this scope.
You're just as full of hotair as the OP.
BTW; you both should look into location agents.
As I have said, the question is not if I have the money, but if it's worth it for a nobody like Danari. 110 bil is less than the number I calculated when I determined how much money I'd need to completely crash the Raven market. Of course I always over-do things, hate being caught a little short.
And as to the problem of researching the BPO's, that is not a problem. Raven BPO's are very common. I know this all too well.
You people should really learn how to use your ISK more effectively. Both of you!
It is very possible with one character to have 11 manufacturing slots running Ravens 24/7 with an average investment (ISK tied up) of around 15 billion ISK as long as you do your logistics dayly and work your market orders dayly (with a Raven mineral cost approx. 90 million, what is it these days?). You'll just have to make sure you sell the right quantities at the right locations so you're always almost sold out everywhere.
I know, cause I've done it with 7 slots with less than 10 billion ISK in total assets (including a freighter).
So make that 3 charachters, 3 * 11 * 7 Ravens per day = 231 Ravens a day (quite an impact on jita and surrounding hubs) with a total investment of 3 * 15 billion ISK = 45 billion ISK. Not anywhere near your projected 110 billion.
Now go do it, it'll be fun, spam EVE with those Ravens, gives us something to shoot at!
*looking at some notes from that period*
Man, did I make a lot of 'm, thousands, in just a few months. Starting with less than 500M ISK in total assets. |
Shadarle
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Posted - 2008.07.11 17:29:00 -
[72]
I'm way too lazy to do daily turnover. I was thinking a minimum of 3-4 day turnaround if not a week at some points, thus my numbers are over the 110bil mark. If I was less lazy I could do it with 60 bil or so. 1 day turnaround isn't realistic though, not considering the plan was to crash the market so there would be an over-abundance of supply.
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Chira Netanru
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Posted - 2008.07.11 17:49:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Seb Balaak
You people should really learn how to use your ISK more effectively. Both of you!
The whole point to making more isk, for me, is to run my businesses less effectively in terms of isk and more effectively in terms of time. Identify the goals correctly before you make mistaken assumptions of motive.
Always scaling up operations in the way you describe (run lean on isk by investing more time) is a surefire recipe for burnout.
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Seb Balaak
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Posted - 2008.07.12 19:21:00 -
[74]
The amount of time spent on logistics can be almost (or exactly) the same with either a one day turnover or weekly turnover if you plan it correctly (total m3 moved is the same). This is where the limits of the courier contract system are getting in the way if you want this to be done correctly by others (which is probably why you feel it will take more time and a oneday turnover is unrealistic if you're used to others doing the hauling for you).
And you have margintrading of course, so it's not exactly a one-day turnover that's needed.
I guess the only question would be how often you want to adjust marketorders, whether dayly or weekly. Daily would be required for a one or 2-day turnover which would be the only real time-eater. And your orders will be smaller so more orders to adjust. So yes, I agree with you there, wanted to mention it in the other post before about the extra time required but my point was just that it could be done with much less ISK. |
Shadarle
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Posted - 2008.07.12 19:50:00 -
[75]
You are missing the point that if this was even remotely successful the supply of Ravens would outpace the demand, meaning it would become hard to sell all the ravens daily. If you can't sell all of your product daily then you won't be getting your money back for them daily, meaning you'll need more and more money as less and less sell. The signs that you're succeeding in crashing the market is that you need more and more money to keep the production going because more and more of your ISK is tied up in ravens on the market which aren't selling.
That's the point, you need tons of money to manipulate the market. Not to mention that as you do this the price of ravens will start to drop, so you will make less and less off them or even start losing money on each Raven.
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Bloody Rabbit
Jita Miners
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Posted - 2008.07.12 23:36:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Shadarle
That's the point, you need tons of money to manipulate the market. Not to mention that as you do this the price of ravens will start to drop, so you will make less and less off them or even start losing money on each Raven.
And that's when a smart person puts their ego back in their pocket and takes a break from it. Comes back after the others have run out of isk to play.
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Kwint Sommer
Caldari
Lothian Quay Industries
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Posted - 2008.07.13 01:34:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Kazzac Elentria
Originally by: Khasarve
ah and this is what pew pew threads in market forum turn into ... a discussion on the cost and logistics of producing large batches of Ravens
Or movie quotes... it can go both ways really. Just depends on how much coffee any of us have had that day.
"That makes me stupid, and you a *****."
~Chuck Norris
Purchasing and Shipping Moon Minerals |
Shadarle
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Posted - 2008.07.16 16:20:00 -
[78]
Just a short update, a rather amusing one, I now got a war-dec from Whiskey Tango Foxtrot (corp) and Pandemic Legion (Alliance).
I found this so amusing I had to post it. Not only does Danari have no clue where my POS chain is, he thinks my old high-sec POS (the only thing he knows the location of) is worth hiring an alliance and 2 corps at once to go to war with me over. Quite amusing indeed.
Hey Danari, when you find my POS chain let me know, until then... can you please hire 2-3 more alliance to war-dec me? It would make things a lot more fun!
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2008.07.16 16:26:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Shadarle
Just a short update, a rather amusing one, I now got a war-dec from Whiskey Tango Foxtrot (corp) and Pandemic Legion (Alliance).
I found this so amusing I had to post it. Not only does Danari have no clue where my POS chain is, he thinks my old high-sec POS (the only thing he knows the location of) is worth hiring an alliance and 2 corps at once to go to war with me over. Quite amusing indeed.
Hey Danari, when you find my POS chain let me know, until then... can you please hire 2-3 more alliance to war-dec me? It would make things a lot more fun!
Hell at this point to keep the loldrama going I'll fund another outfit to war dec the mercs just for the hell of it.
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2008.07.16 17:02:00 -
[80]
I was deciding if it would be funny enough to hire a different alliance to war dec this alliance, haha. Just for fun. Maybe we could start an interstellar war over this!
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2008.07.16 17:17:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Shadarle
I was deciding if it would be funny enough to hire a different alliance to war dec this alliance, haha. Just for fun. Maybe we could start an interstellar war over this!
well most wars start over nothing more than an idiot claiming to be better than another, so I think in this case the Danari fits the bill right? |
Thorrak McFluffypants
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Posted - 2008.07.16 17:21:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Shadarle
I was deciding if it would be funny enough to hire a different alliance to war dec this alliance, haha. Just for fun. Maybe we could start an interstellar war over this!
Have my babies.
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2008.07.16 18:20:00 -
[83]
Woohoo! I got to experience some more POS PvP! Funny enough my POS had killed 2-3 of them before I even arrived to direct the firing. It ended very quickly once I could co-ordinate my fire.
Thanks for the T2 items I got off your ships, very kind of you to leave them behind!
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Petit Delinquant
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Posted - 2008.07.16 18:30:00 -
[84]
Edited by: Petit Delinquant on 16/07/2008 18:34:56
can i buy the loot?
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2008.07.16 18:40:00 -
[85]
Originally by: Petit Delinquant
Edited by: Petit Delinquant on 16/07/2008 18:34:56
can i buy the loot?
I'll prob just sell it on the market, most of it will fetch good values. The T2 salvage of those ships I popped was better than the loot
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Ambo
Dirty Deeds Corp.
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.07.16 18:53:00 -
[86]
lol, sounds like fun
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2008.07.16 18:58:00 -
[87]
It was quite fun, the most fun I've had since I defended this POS last time.
It's amazing that people take the bait on it. For less than 1 billion ISK I can leave a honey pot out there and get silly corps to attack a deathstar occasionally. Very fun stuff.
Thanks Danari! You're rejuvenating my interest in EVE!
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Saino Feel
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Posted - 2008.07.16 19:57:00 -
[88]
Originally by: Shadarle
Woohoo! I got to experience some more POS PvP! Funny enough my POS had killed 2-3 of them before I even arrived to direct the firing. It ended very quickly once I could co-ordinate my fire.
Thanks for the T2 items I got off your ships, very kind of you to leave them behind!
Isn't this highsec, can you control guns? If so, if you have many alts that can as well, I bet that will be real nasty!
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2008.07.16 20:51:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Saino Feel
Originally by: Shadarle
Woohoo! I got to experience some more POS PvP! Funny enough my POS had killed 2-3 of them before I even arrived to direct the firing. It ended very quickly once I could co-ordinate my fire.
Thanks for the T2 items I got off your ships, very kind of you to leave them behind!
Isn't this highsec, can you control guns? If so, if you have many alts that can as well, I bet that will be real nasty!
Yup, it is high-sec :) It's fun to watch 4 large arty's open up on someone, hehe.
They actually came back again. So silly. They had a better plan this time... but in the end all they did was contribute to Danari's Raven production business. Byebye Raven!
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Vuxacha
VTECHS
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Posted - 2008.07.17 00:33:00 -
[90]
That does sound like fun...
I think you should get bonus points if you manage to turn it into a war that sustains itself (no paying for mercs).
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2008.07.17 00:40:00 -
[91]
Originally by: Vuxacha
That does sound like fun...
I think you should get bonus points if you manage to turn it into a war that sustains itself (no paying for mercs).
The best part about this is, I'm having an absolute blast, I'm blowing people away and they are donating 10's of millions of ISK to my cause while losing 10's of millions themselves. This is great, haha. The best part is, I can afford to lose 10-100 times more money than they can... so even if it was a 1:1 losses I'd be winning really, by attrition. But instead I've lost nothing but a tiny bit of ammo, they've lost 2-3 t2 ships, 2-3 ravens, t2 items, lots of ammo. Kinda sad really, these are pretty pathetic mercs Danari.
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Tasko Pal
Heron Corporation
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Posted - 2008.07.17 04:38:00 -
[92]
Wait, so they're using t2 ships on a POS? This is brilliant strategy.
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2008.07.17 04:44:00 -
[93]
Originally by: Tasko Pal
Wait, so they're using t2 ships on a POS? This is brilliant strategy.
They seem to like Basilisks and Ravens. I like them too. Good salvage on those t2 ships. I just find it quite amusing they are using ravens to siege a POS.
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Vuxacha
VTECHS
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Posted - 2008.07.17 05:13:00 -
[94]
What I don't get, is the POS warfare/merc situation itself. In lowsec I could understand it, there are a lot of variables. In highsec you can pretty much scout the POS beforehand, know the defensive forces (1 - Name: Shadarle. Ship type: Probably a probe) and learn the ammo type.
It should almost be a mathematical equation. X damage requires Y amount of ship loss or tank (nano or shield/armor). Z damage required to offline POS/guns. Therefore merc bill (fixed contract; fees for extra variables such as rival mercs etc) itself should be fairly easy to calculate before even accepting the contract.
Yet these guys are coming at it like a chance encounter on a roam, if its as funny as you say.
So either they know they're gonna win and these are normal losses, or they really never stood a chance. Eitherway, I'm freakin jealous. I may add "maintain high sec 'bait' POS" to my list of goals in Eve.
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Amarr Citizen 155
Alternative Methods Research Group
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Posted - 2008.07.17 05:13:00 -
[95]
Originally by: Shadarle
Originally by: Tasko Pal
Wait, so they're using t2 ships on a POS? This is brilliant strategy.
They seem to like Basilisks and Ravens. I like them too. Good salvage on those t2 ships. I just find it quite amusing they are using ravens to siege a POS.
You...don't use Ravens to siege a POS??? HA newb. /me points at Shar and laughs
Quote:
Ricdic (about starting ebank, July 2007): Think of it as a miniature EIB done right. I cannot see this getting anywhere near 700b any time in the future tbh.
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2008.07.17 05:42:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Vuxacha
What I don't get, is the POS warfare/merc situation itself. In lowsec I could understand it, there are a lot of variables. In highsec you can pretty much scout the POS beforehand, know the defensive forces (1 - Name: Shadarle. Ship type: Probably a probe) and learn the ammo type.
It should almost be a mathematical equation. X damage requires Y amount of ship loss or tank (nano or shield/armor). Z damage required to offline POS/guns. Therefore merc bill (fixed contract; fees for extra variables such as rival mercs etc) itself should be fairly easy to calculate before even accepting the contract.
Yet these guys are coming at it like a chance encounter on a roam, if its as funny as you say.
So either they know they're gonna win and these are normal losses, or they really never stood a chance. Eitherway, I'm freakin jealous. I may add "maintain high sec 'bait' POS" to my list of goals in Eve.
Generally no one even hits my POS because of all the guns I leave around it. I even have backup guns sitting there in-case they manage to get past my online guns. I have backup shield hardeners. I have backup everything. Why? Because it honestly is so cheap to do that it's worth it. So I spend 150 mil more on defenses... that number is smaller than the turnover I see from the sale of a few items.
I just don't understand why people hit defended POS's. It's just not worth the time and effort. But hey, I hope they keep coming, this is very fun. It's great when you keep them guessing, holding fire for a few minuts so they think they've got you... then you open up with all your batteries at once and knock them straight into armor or hull, or sometimes even insta pop their main tank.
Maybe they will eventually get through my defenses... heck an entire alliance war-dec'd me now. But again, what is the point? It's a defensive POS only. So they are going to get 150 mil isk worth of guns... maybe.
All I can do is thank Danari profusely for this fun. Maybe if he finds my POS chain we'll have even more fun and things will get far more interesting then when the capital ships get involved!
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Ava Santiago
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.07.17 06:08:00 -
[97]
We may need to memorialize this chain for all of the people who are convinced that "carebears" don't know how to PvP.
Concord doesn't provide consequences. Concord provides insurance payouts. |
Joe Elliot
Stabho's
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Posted - 2008.07.17 09:48:00 -
[98]
If an alliance wardec'ed your corp, it is probably someone paying them, and not them wanting to loot your POS? I dunno, but it seems more likely to me at least. |
jna
Caldari
Black Ash Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.07.17 09:57:00 -
[99]
This thread needs more Alak D'bor/Danari in it.
Pretty please?
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2008.07.17 11:52:00 -
[100]
Originally by: Joe Elliot
If an alliance wardec'ed your corp, it is probably someone paying them, and not them wanting to loot your POS? I dunno, but it seems more likely to me at least.
Indeed, but what I find funny is that Danari couldn't even get his own alliance to do it, he had to get someone elses alliance to do it. Rather sad and pathetic. I'm just glad he's paying people so much money to give me so much fun!
I'd love to know if he has seen an upsurge in his Raven business with all the Ravens being lost to my POS
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Amrumm
Rhetorical Devices
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Posted - 2008.07.17 12:17:00 -
[101]
Is Danari for real? You are sure it is not one of your friends paying a little ISK to get you back into the game? (With friends like that...)
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2008.07.17 12:42:00 -
[102]
Originally by: Amrumm
Is Danari for real? You are sure it is not one of your friends paying a little ISK to get you back into the game? (With friends like that...)
I've had people do that to me before |
Shadarle
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Posted - 2008.07.17 16:13:00 -
[103]
Originally by: Amrumm
Is Danari for real? You are sure it is not one of your friends paying a little ISK to get you back into the game? (With friends like that...)
The OP of this thread is Danari. It's one of his alts.
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2008.07.17 19:47:00 -
[104]
Awww, they put it into re-inforced after 2.5 hours. It was only about 30 of them, maybe more. A bit hard to count when the system is lagged as bad as it was. About a 15 second delay on most actions.
That was entirely too much fun. I have to thank you Danari for hiring an entire alliance and 2 corps to attack me. Please, if you ever locate my POS's do so again!
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Chunchang WaoDungpao
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Posted - 2008.07.17 19:58:00 -
[105]
Many hours and 100s of wrecks later, Pandemic Legions last battleships managed to put the pos into reinforced. The sheer number of battleships they lost was quite staggering, and Shadarle in battle proved himself a most prominent architect of pos gunnery and defense. One has to wonder what the leader of PL were thinking when they accepted this contract.
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Spoon Flux
Gallente
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot
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Posted - 2008.07.17 20:03:00 -
[106]
who got hired? you mean someone will actually pay you to do this kind of stuff? where do i sign up?
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Saino Feel
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Posted - 2008.07.17 20:03:00 -
[107]
Wow, did he really kill the PL battleships? I thought they were like..good and stuff?
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imnakid
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Posted - 2008.07.17 20:06:00 -
[108]
no he didnt that sir was a troll , he killed a logistics ship that was doing 0m/s no other losses were apparent
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Chunchang WaoDungpao
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Posted - 2008.07.17 20:09:00 -
[109]
Originally by: imnakid
no he didnt that sir was a troll , he killed a logistics ship that was doing 0m/s no other losses were apparent
Perhaps you weren't there and are relying on killboard reports. I see at least 40 battleship wrecks in the aftermath. I can imagine that PL would be too embarrassed about the loses to ever post them.
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Utterly Amazing
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Posted - 2008.07.17 20:13:00 -
[110]
I heard from reliable news sources that it was a massacre. Shadarle, on top of his prowess in the markets, has earned himself a reputation as an incredibly competent siege engineer. His defense was the stuff of legend. Epics will one day be read to little Caldari children, telling of the heroism of one trader, standing up for what was right and just.
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2008.07.17 20:21:00 -
[111]
Perhaps people should realize this is MD and not CAOD.
As I stated, the POS is in reinforced mode now. Which means no more fun killing off silly corps who decide to test my setup 
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Utterly Amazing
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Posted - 2008.07.17 20:26:00 -
[112]
Originally by: Shadarle
Perhaps [bold]I [/bold] should realize this is MD and not CAOD.
Good to see you're taking the moral high road and not dragging this thread into the mud.
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Tateana
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Posted - 2008.07.17 20:42:00 -
[113]
Quoting Facts for the win. (all facts are bolded)
Originally by: Shadarle
Awww, they put it into re-inforced after 2.5 hours. It was only about 30 of them, maybe more. A bit hard to count when the system is lagged as bad as it was. About a 15 second delay on most actions.
That was entirely too much fun. I have to thank you Danari for hiring an entire alliance and 2 corps to attack me. Please, if you ever locate my POS's do so again!
Originally by: Chunchang WaoDungpao
Many hours and 100s of wrecks later, Pandemic Legions last battleships managed to put the pos into reinforced. The sheer number of battleships they lost was quite staggering, and Shadarle in battle proved himself a most prominent architect of pos gunnery and defense. One has to wonder what the leader of PL were thinking when they accepted this contract.
Originally by: Chunchang WaoDungpao
Originally by: imnakid
no he didnt that sir was a troll , he killed a logistics ship that was doing 0m/s no other losses were apparent
Perhaps you weren't there and are relying on killboard reports. I see at least 40 battleship wrecks in the aftermath. I can imagine that PL would be too embarrassed about the loses to ever post them.
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YouGotRipped
Ewigkeit
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Posted - 2008.07.17 20:57:00 -
[114]
Edited by: YouGotRipped on 17/07/2008 20:59:47
Somehow the thread started by Danari turned into a praise Shadarle thread with the OP no longer posting, this is quite amusing.
But seriously people if you want to help and have some fun in the process then get in your battleships and organize a counterattack.
Don't get me wrong that POS is lost anyway but I'd love to see the prowess of a combined merc-carebear fleet against a fully fledged PVP alliance.
In fact I think we should organize ourselves and beat the crap out of small random alliances on a regular basis.
Motherships
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Spoon Flux
Gallente
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot
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Posted - 2008.07.17 20:58:00 -
[115]
Edited by: Spoon Flux on 17/07/2008 21:01:15
tateana: i heard it was OVER 9000!
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Tateana
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Posted - 2008.07.17 21:31:00 -
[116]
Originally by: YouGotRipped
Edited by: YouGotRipped on 17/07/2008 20:59:47
Somehow the thread started by Danari turned into a praise Shadarle thread with the OP no longer posting, this is quite amusing.
But seriously people if you want to help and have some fun in the process then get in your battleships and organize a counterattack.
Don't get me wrong that POS is lost anyway but I'd love to see the prowess of a combined merc-carebear fleet against a fully fledged PVP alliance.
In fact I think we should organize ourselves and beat the crap out of small random alliances on a regular basis.
Yes, that is a brilliant idea. I think it is called cannon fodder. However purely based on entertainment value it would be priceless! Plus it is time someone put Pandemic Legion in their place. You are just the man to get'r done! |
Shadarle
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Posted - 2008.07.17 21:44:00 -
[117]
I don't care to save the POS, if I did I'd have hired mercs to defend it. There was nothing of value in it other than some old t2 items I had forgotten about until a minute before I warped away just now. So I grabbed them and left. In 2 days there will likely be a new POS up.
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Absimi Liard
Gallente
Confederate Miners Union of Eve
space weaponry and trade
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Posted - 2008.07.17 22:15:00 -
[118]
Originally by: Shadarle
In 2 days there will likely be a new POS up.
Oooh, could you make a deathstar again?
And then tell Pandemic Legion where it is??? 
This sounds like you could have a real fun month, depending on how long their contract runs.
-abs
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Tradesman Mcgee
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.07.17 22:21:00 -
[119]
He'd have to tell whoever the guy that is hating it where it is I guess, and not the hired mercs or Pandemic Legion, since I guess neither of the parties are very interested in taking down his (new) POS if they don't get paid for it.
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Selaik
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.17 23:01:00 -
[120]
Originally by: Tradesman Mcgee
He'd have to tell whoever the guy that is hating it where it is I guess, and not the hired mercs or Pandemic Legion, since I guess neither of the parties are very interested in taking down his (new) POS if they don't get paid for it.
\/\/0|2|) (apparently all the cool kids hang out here so I'd tried to blend in)
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Kery Syander
The Illuminati.
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.17 23:46:00 -
[121]
I couldn't make it but I was able to listen to it on TS and it definitely sounded like a slaughter. Once all the kills are fetched via the API, I fully expect to see the PL KB stats to take a serious hit. I doubt PL will be able to finish the job when it comes out of reinforced. 
L10n5 1ndu5tr135, my hat is off to you for winning the day.
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2008.07.18 02:43:00 -
[122]
I now have some ideas for my next setup. I came within a few seconds of about 10+ kills, meaning I need to adjust a few things next time. I know exactly what needs to be swapped out too to ramp up that dps 20-30%.
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Tasko Pal
Heron Corporation
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Posted - 2008.07.18 02:48:00 -
[123]
You know, I'm starting to think this might be real market pvp after all.  Certainly a lot more exciting than I was expecting.
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cosmoray
Cosmoray Construction
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Posted - 2008.07.18 02:55:00 -
[124]
Originally by: Shadarle
I now have some ideas for my next setup. I came within a few seconds of about 10+ kills, meaning I need to adjust a few things next time. I know exactly what needs to be swapped out too to ramp up that dps 20-30%.
You should let some MD alts join your corp (with no roles or access), so more can enjoy some real market PVP and die gloriously. It would be very funny watching MD competitors fight!
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Chira Netanru
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Posted - 2008.07.18 03:28:00 -
[125]
Originally by: Shadarle
I now have some ideas for my next setup. I came within a few seconds of about 10+ kills, meaning I need to adjust a few things next time. I know exactly what needs to be swapped out too to ramp up that dps 20-30%.
You mean like training SDM V?
How many alts did you have gunning / how many guns manned, btw?
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Divus
Black Omega Security
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.18 04:10:00 -
[126]
Edited by: Divus on 18/07/2008 04:14:23
This is what real market-PVP looks like - in realy shitty uncompressed MovieMaker quality
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/Divus/pos-op_0008.wmv
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Alex Redwidth
Caldari
Industrial and Merchantile Investment Fund
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Posted - 2008.07.18 12:20:00 -
[127]
Originally by: Divus
This is what real market pvp looks like - in realy shitty MovieMaker quality
So were the '100s of wrecks' just out of shot?
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mazzilliu
Caldari
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.18 13:16:00 -
[128]
pandemic legion morale is shattered by this phyrric victory, i would almost say we'd move back to empire to regroup but even empire isnt safe for us now.
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2008.07.18 14:13:00 -
[129]
Edited by: Shadarle on 18/07/2008 14:15:11
Originally by: Chira Netanru
Originally by: Shadarle
I now have some ideas for my next setup. I came within a few seconds of about 10+ kills, meaning I need to adjust a few things next time. I know exactly what needs to be swapped out too to ramp up that dps 20-30%.
You mean like training SDM V?
How many alts did you have gunning / how many guns manned, btw?
Didn't have SDM V on any chars, but I have SDM IV on all my chars. I had enough alts present to man all online batteries.
The biggest problem was trying to target with 15+ seconds of lag. The GUI for controlled guns needs massive amounts of work. The target bar would come up, then disappear, and it would let you retarget as if your target had warepd away. Then 15-60 seconds later it would either pick the original target or sometimes a new target if you accidentally clicked a new one. Sometimes the guns would automatically switch to targeting mode, so you'd start targeting someone new even while the other guns were firing.
It was very tough with the lag to do any sort of real targeting with guns that take 15-45 seconds to lock.
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Selaik
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.18 14:25:00 -
[130]
lag goes both ways.
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Utterly Amazing
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Posted - 2008.07.18 15:31:00 -
[131]
You should be used to lag Shardarle. A system that rarely exceeds 100 pilots can't really be any worse than Jita. At least you were having fun.
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Yokujin
Caldari
The Illuminati.
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.18 17:46:00 -
[132]
Dear Shadarle,
You are so right about the pathetic legion. After yesterday's incident, I took a full bottle of asprin and chased it with a bottle of jack. After which I took a nice drive while listening Imogen Heap on some curve backroads at about 70 mph. Let me tell you, at those speeds its kind of hard to handle razor blades. But I am feeling much better today.
On a more serious note I would like to apply to join you in your massacre of the failboaters. Please look at my application and let me know if I am your kind of mate. Application: Here
Yoku
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2008.07.19 00:29:00 -
[133]
Originally by: Utterly Amazing
You should be used to lag Shardarle. A system that rarely exceeds 100 pilots can't really be any worse than Jita. At least you were having fun.
I wouldn't really know what Jita is like as I barely ever visit the place. Maybe once every few months. I frankly have no clue how anyone makes money there, you have to play way too much. I like spending 10-15 minutes a day trading, it's all you need in the right places.
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2008.07.19 00:34:00 -
[134]
Originally by: Selaik
lag goes both ways.
Yes, but having to use the POS defense GUI only goes one way. And it's this gui that is horribly effected by lag. It doesn't work half the time in heavy lag situations. The target system will just stop working on one of the guns usually, meaning you have to wait 1-2 minutes extra to get it working... or you can fire without one of your guns, which means the target will easily have time to get defenses up. It also makes targeting ships trying to flea impossible, since instead of taking 25-45 seconds it akes 1-2 minutes and then they are gone and it takes 30-60 seconds for it to even register that the target left.
Whereas attacking the POS you get to target a massive structure which takes very little time and it doesn't move nor warp away when it's about to die.
In any case, as I've said, this attack was the most fun I've had in ages. I usually play 10-15 minutes a day, I played for hours and hours during the multiple attacks. I wish I could throw up more POS's time and again just to keep having fun like that.
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Account Manager
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Posted - 2008.07.19 03:19:00 -
[135]
Shadarle, for 100M i will provide you with Alak D'bor's frozen corpse.
satisfaction guaranteed.
using an alt to protect the people in a position to do this.
PS , even the people blue to him don't like him ..
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Yokujin
Caldari
The Illuminati.
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.19 05:15:00 -
[136]
Edited by: Yokujin on 19/07/2008 05:16:20
Originally by: Shadarle
Originally by: Selaik
lag goes both ways.
Yes, but having to use the POS defense GUI only goes one way. And it's this gui that is horribly effected by lag. It doesn't work half the time in heavy lag situations. The target system will just stop working on one of the guns usually, meaning you have to wait 1-2 minutes extra to get it working... or you can fire without one of your guns, which means the target will easily have time to get defenses up. It also makes targeting ships trying to flea impossible, since instead of taking 25-45 seconds it akes 1-2 minutes and then they are gone and it takes 30-60 seconds for it to even register that the target left.
Would you like some cheese with you wine?
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Devian 666
Igneus Auctorita
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.07.19 07:15:00 -
[137]
Originally by: Yokujin
Dear Shadarle,
I'm butt hurt.
:words:
Yoku
Everything being discussed is pretty typical of pos warfare and eve server performance in general.
The desyncs while at a pos can be pretty bad when you have large numbers at the pos and especially with drones out.
http://obeythekitten.com/ |
Devian 666
Igneus Auctorita
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.07.19 07:19:00 -
[138]
Edited by: Devian 666 on 19/07/2008 07:19:51
Originally by: Shadarle
hurf blurf pos stuff
You'll find that they were probably suffering from issues with targeting and module activation lag.
http://obeythekitten.com/ |
Shadarle
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Posted - 2008.07.19 07:53:00 -
[139]
Edited by: Shadarle on 19/07/2008 07:52:50
Originally by: Devian 666
Edited by: Devian 666 on 19/07/2008 07:19:51
Originally by: Shadarle
hurf blurf pos stuff
You'll find that they were probably suffering from issues with targeting and module activation lag.
I am quite certain they were. But I don't exactly think it makes it any more fun when we both have to suffer through lag. If the game can't handle a mere 30 people attacking a POS then I can't even imagine how stupid large fleet battles are. 30 People is nothing. Games like DAOC handled battles far larger without a hickup 5+ years ago. Heck, even battles involving 200+ people were much better than that 30 person battle was.
I only care about my fun in this, their problems don't concern me. I merely had that POS there to provide me with fun and it did multiple times before and then 3 times in a two day period. So it served its purpose. But it would have been more fun if it didn't take approx 4-5 minutes just to target someone and shoot 2-3 volley's at someone to see if they'd die.
If you guys leave that moon open and remove the war-dec I will rebuild a POS there and we can do it all again in a few more days. I had enough fun it's well worth the couple hundred mil to do it again.
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Devian 666
Igneus Auctorita
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.07.19 08:06:00 -
[140]
Originally by: Shadarle
Edited by: Shadarle on 19/07/2008 07:52:50
Originally by: Devian 666
Edited by: Devian 666 on 19/07/2008 07:19:51
Originally by: Shadarle
hurf blurf pos stuff
You'll find that they were probably suffering from issues with targeting and module activation lag.
I am quite certain they were. But I don't exactly think it makes it any more fun when we both have to suffer through lag. If the game can't handle a mere 30 people attacking a POS then I can't even imagine how stupid large fleet battles are. 30 People is nothing. Games like DAOC handled battles far larger without a hickup 5+ years ago. Heck, even battles involving 200+ people were much better than that 30 person battle was.
I only care about my fun in this, their problems don't concern me. I merely had that POS there to provide me with fun and it did multiple times before and then 3 times in a two day period. So it served its purpose. But it would have been more fun if it didn't take approx 4-5 minutes just to target someone and shoot 2-3 volley's at someone to see if they'd die.
If you guys leave that moon open and remove the war-dec I will rebuild a POS there and we can do it all again in a few more days. I had enough fun it's well worth the couple hundred mil to do it again.
I've complained about server performance with pos shot and in general. CCP have put a lot of effort into trying to isolate desyncs but from my perspective are not throwing enough hardware at the problem of overall server performance.
I see lag in 1v1 and desyncs with only 10 people shooting a pos. Server performance in the past year has been terrible.
Enough :words: from me.
http://obeythekitten.com/ |
Yokujin
Caldari
The Illuminati.
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.19 12:43:00 -
[141]
Originally by: Devian 666
Originally by: Yokujin
Dear Shadarle,
I'm butt hurt.
:words:
Yoku
C.
Originally by: Shadarle
Edited by: Shadarle on 19/07/2008 07:52:50
But I don't exactly think it makes it any more fun when we both have to suffer through lag. If the game can't handle a mere 30 people attacking a POS then I can't even imagine how stupid large fleet battles are.
They are kind of like powerpoint presentations.
Originally by: Devian 666
CCP have put a lot of effort into trying to isolate desyncs but from my perspective are not throwing enough hardware at the problem of overall server performance.
<3. You have been so cruel to me but so true. I think I like it when men are rough with me.
Anyways Shadarle,
Thanks for the lawlz and the fun.
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Alak D'bor
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.07.19 14:31:00 -
[142]
Originally by: Account Manager
Shadarle, for 100M i will provide you with Alak D'bor's/Danari's frozen corpse.
 I've left probably 200 corpses on the g-m gate in ewok in the past year. Show of hands, decent pvper who hasn't podded me at one time or another. You don't get 3000 kills without having your eggs scrambled once or twice.
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Account Manager
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Posted - 2008.07.19 16:19:00 -
[143]
Originally by: Alak D'bor
Originally by: Account Manager
Shadarle, for 100M i will provide you with Alak D'bor's/Danari's frozen corpse.
I've left probably 200 corpses on the g-m gate in ewok in the past year. Show of hands, decent pvper who hasn't podded me at one time or another. You don't get 3000 kills without having your eggs scrambled once or twice.
You don't get 3000 kills without writing your own killmails.
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Tido Maliyu
The Highmen Destroyers
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Posted - 2008.07.19 19:50:00 -
[144]
Originally by: Yokujin
Originally by: Shadarle
Edited by: Shadarle on 19/07/2008 07:52:50
But I don't exactly think it makes it any more fun when we both have to suffer through lag. If the game can't handle a mere 30 people attacking a POS then I can't even imagine how stupid large fleet battles are.
They are kind of like powerpoint presentations.
More like microsoft office picture manager, tbqh.
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Leowen
Industrial Giants
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Posted - 2008.07.20 00:45:00 -
[145]
Oh dear. People in MD learned over the past few months that feeding the Ego of Shadarle was not a good thing, so now Danari has given him an excuse to preen in front of a whole new bunch of folks.
Oh dear oh dear oh dear. Heaven help us all.
Thanks be that I don't frequent these pages much any more. Though I may pop by in the hope that someone will find a way to hand Shad his ass Good luck though, declaring the intent publicly in advance pretty much consigns the effort to Guaranteed Fail.
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Taikun
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.07.20 02:31:00 -
[146]
Originally by: Leowen
hope that someone will find a way to hand Shad his ass
I personally take comfort knowing that it has already been done several times in real life.
Taikun
A criminal is a person with predatory instincts who has not sufficient capital to form a corporation. |
Divus
Black Omega Security
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.20 02:39:00 -
[147]
Originally by: Taikun
Originally by: Leowen
hope that someone will find a way to hand Shad his ass
I personally take comfort knowing that it has already been done several times in real life.
Taikun
stop posting
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Xelios Xarxes
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Posted - 2008.07.20 03:52:00 -
[148]
I often wonder when I read these threads if these people also cry IRL when they drive by a nicer home or someone in a nicer car. Why not just accept there's always someone more successful?
Jealousy is an ugly, ugly thing.
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2008.07.20 04:18:00 -
[149]
Originally by: Xelios Xarxes
I often wonder when I read these threads if these people also cry IRL when they drive by a nicer home or someone in a nicer car. Why not just accept there's always someone more successful?
Jealousy is an ugly, ugly thing.
So very true.
But it's fun seeing Leowen around, as I have a feeling he is richer than I am. Competition always brings out the best, so it's nice knowing there are others out there doing better than I am, gives me something to strive for.
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2008.07.20 05:14:00 -
[150]
Originally by: Bindusara
Originally by: Xelios Xarxes
I often wonder when I read these threads if these people also cry IRL when they drive by a nicer home or someone in a nicer car. Why not just accept there's always someone more successful?
Jealousy is an ugly, ugly thing.
I think you kind of missed the point of the thread. Danari didn't attack Shad because one is richer than the other, it was because Shad is an ass and more specifically, he's an ass to those who ask genuine questions.
Which is the ironic part because this whole process has gotten me to post on these forums a lot more than I had been. I had barely been around the last few months, but now I'm checking the forums many times a day.
As I stated in the other thread, "Mission Accomplished!" for Danari!
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Bindusara
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Posted - 2008.07.20 05:23:00 -
[151]
Originally by: Shadarle
Originally by: Bindusara
Originally by: Xelios Xarxes
I often wonder when I read these threads if these people also cry IRL when they drive by a nicer home or someone in a nicer car. Why not just accept there's always someone more successful?
Jealousy is an ugly, ugly thing.
I think you kind of missed the point of the thread. Danari didn't attack Shad because one is richer than the other, it was because Shad is an ass and more specifically, he's an ass to those who ask genuine questions.
Which is the ironic part because this whole process has gotten me to post on these forums a lot more than I had been. I had barely been around the last few months, but now I'm checking the forums many times a day.
As I stated in the other thread, "Mission Accomplished!" for Danari!
The sale of flameproof suits should go up again then.
I have always wondered Shad, what exactly do you plan to achieve by flaming newbies asking newbie-like questions?
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2008.07.20 06:40:00 -
[152]
Originally by: Bindusara
I have always wondered Shad, what exactly do you plan to achieve by flaming newbies asking newbie-like questions?
That's a rather stupid question, don't you think?
I hope to make them aware that their questions were stupid obviously.
If someone wants a real answer they should devote some real time to finding out the answer before they make a post. If instead they are too lazy to do any work themselves and want free handouts then I'm going to explain to them very politely (read: not politely at all) that they don't deserve a real answer.
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LaVista Vista
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Posted - 2008.07.20 06:42:00 -
[153]
Originally by: Shadarle
Originally by: Bindusara
I have always wondered Shad, what exactly do you plan to achieve by flaming newbies asking newbie-like questions?
That's a rather stupid question, don't you think?
I hope to make them aware that their questions were stupid obviously.
If someone wants a real answer they should devote some real time to finding out the answer before they make a post. If instead they are too lazy to do any work themselves and want free handouts then I'm going to explain to them very politely (read: not politely at all) that they don't deserve a real answer.
For some reason, something about there being no stupid questions, but just stupid answers, comes to mind. 
Ring any bell?
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Bindusara
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Posted - 2008.07.20 07:23:00 -
[154]
Originally by: Shadarle
Originally by: Bindusara
I have always wondered Shad, what exactly do you plan to achieve by flaming newbies asking newbie-like questions?
That's a rather stupid question, don't you think?
I hope to make them aware that their questions were stupid obviously.
If someone wants a real answer they should devote some real time to finding out the answer before they make a post. If instead they are too lazy to do any work themselves and want free handouts then I'm going to explain to them very politely (read: not politely at all) that they don't deserve a real answer.
Difference in perception maybe? A lot of the times people miss out on some very small aspect of a business and come to these forums looking for investments etc thinking they have the perfect plan (I know i've been there). That doesn't mean that they haven't done their work, it just means they are not as good as you but still better than the people you describe in your post since they actually did some work.
Another reason why people appear to have not done their research is that not everyone is able to express themselves as well as others. I know I am one of those people. They may have done their homework, they just don't know how to put it forward. This is mainly due to one of the two reasons, their english not being good and them having average communication skills.
So why pick on such people?
And to answer your question, no I don't think that this is a stupid question or I wouldn't have asked it. Please don't be hostile towards me Shad, I have nothing personal against you, i'm just very curious as to why you feel the need to constantly talk down to people asking genuine questions.
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Vhaluus
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Posted - 2008.07.20 07:29:00 -
[155]
Originally by: Bindusara
Originally by: Shadarle
Originally by: Bindusara
I have always wondered Shad, what exactly do you plan to achieve by flaming newbies asking newbie-like questions?
That's a rather stupid question, don't you think?
I hope to make them aware that their questions were stupid obviously.
If someone wants a real answer they should devote some real time to finding out the answer before they make a post. If instead they are too lazy to do any work themselves and want free handouts then I'm going to explain to them very politely (read: not politely at all) that they don't deserve a real answer.
Difference in perception maybe? A lot of the times people miss out on some very small aspect of a business and come to these forums looking for investments etc thinking they have the perfect plan (I know i've been there). That doesn't mean that they haven't done their work, it just means they are not as good as you but still better than the people you describe in your post since they actually did some work.
Another reason why people appear to have not done their research is that not everyone is able to express themselves as well as others. I know I am one of those people. They may have done their homework, they just don't know how to put it forward. This is mainly due to one of the two reasons, their english not being good and them having average communication skills.
So why pick on such people?
And to answer your question, no I don't think that this is a stupid question or I wouldn't have asked it. Please don't be hostile towards me Shad, I have nothing personal against you, i'm just very curious as to why you feel the need to constantly talk down to people asking genuine questions.
those who can't do anything about being bullied irl, become bullies themselves on the internet
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2008.07.20 07:44:00 -
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Originally by: Vhaluus
Originally by: Bindusara
Originally by: Shadarle
Originally by: Bindusara
I have always wondered Shad, what exactly do you plan to achieve by flaming newbies asking newbie-like questions?
That's a rather stupid question, don't you think?
I hope to make them aware that their questions were stupid obviously.
If someone wants a real answer they should devote some real time to finding out the answer before they make a post. If instead they are too lazy to do any work themselves and want free handouts then I'm going to explain to them very politely (read: not politely at all) that they don't deserve a real answer.
Difference in perception maybe? A lot of the times people miss out on some very small aspect of a business and come to these forums looking for investments etc thinking they have the perfect plan (I know i've been there). That doesn't mean that they haven't done their work, it just means they are not as good as you but still better than the people you describe in your post since they actually did some work.
Another reason why people appear to have not done their research is that not everyone is able to express themselves as well as others. I know I am one of those people. They may have done their homework, they just don't know how to put it forward. This is mainly due to one of the two reasons, their english not being good and them having average communication skills.
So why pick on such people?
And to answer your question, no I don't think that this is a stupid question or I wouldn't have asked it. Please don't be hostile towards me Shad, I have nothing personal against you, i'm just very curious as to why you feel the need to constantly talk down to people asking genuine questions.
those who can't do anything about being bullied irl, become bullies themselves on the internet
Those who know nothing about psychology try to act like they do on internet gaming forums?
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Vhaluus
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Posted - 2008.07.20 07:45:00 -
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Edited by: Vhaluus on 20/07/2008 07:45:33
Originally by: Shadarle
Those who know nothing about psychology try to act like they do on internet gaming forums?
ok now this should give some amusement. go ahead and explain what is wrong with this from a psychological perspective.
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2008.07.20 07:54:00 -
[158]
Originally by: Bindusara
Originally by: Shadarle
Originally by: Bindusara
I have always wondered Shad, what exactly do you plan to achieve by flaming newbies asking newbie-like questions?
That's a rather stupid question, don't you think?
I hope to make them aware that their questions were stupid obviously.
If someone wants a real answer they should devote some real time to finding out the answer before they make a post. If instead they are too lazy to do any work themselves and want free handouts then I'm going to explain to them very politely (read: not politely at all) that they don't deserve a real answer.
Difference in perception maybe? A lot of the times people miss out on some very small aspect of a business and come to these forums looking for investments etc thinking they have the perfect plan (I know i've been there). That doesn't mean that they haven't done their work, it just means they are not as good as you but still better than the people you describe in your post since they actually did some work.
Another reason why people appear to have not done their research is that not everyone is able to express themselves as well as others. I know I am one of those people. They may have done their homework, they just don't know how to put it forward. This is mainly due to one of the two reasons, their english not being good and them having average communication skills.
So why pick on such people?
And to answer your question, no I don't think that this is a stupid question or I wouldn't have asked it. Please don't be hostile towards me Shad, I have nothing personal against you, i'm just very curious as to why you feel the need to constantly talk down to people asking genuine questions.
Survival of the fittest. If you can't handle criticism then you probably shouldn't be launching an IPO. Anyone who tries to launch an IPO is fair game to criticism of their ideas and if they can stand up to it then they might have a chance to succeed.
I'm sorry if you think I'm being mean when I point out major problems in peoples posts, but if everyone here held hands and sang songs we wouldn't get anywhere. And when I said "I'm sorry" you do know I was being less than truthful, right?
You can dislike my methods all you like, you can even express your dislike for my methods over and over. It really doesn't matter one way or the other to me.
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YouGotRipped
Ewigkeit
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Posted - 2008.07.20 09:06:00 -
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Edited by: YouGotRipped on 20/07/2008 09:14:25
Originally by: Shadarle
Originally by: Bindusara
Is it then safe to assume that when you decide to quit eve you will scam first and the last time to prove you're the best at it? That appears to be the logical conclusion because you wouldn't need to make isk anymore so it wouldn't hurt you in any form.
Your logic is sound, except that if I chose to quit EVE I wouldn't care enough to bother scamming.
AND LATER...
Originally by: Shadarle
Originally by: Bindusara
I have always wondered Shad, what exactly do you plan to achieve by flaming newbies asking newbie-like questions?
That's a rather stupid question, don't you think?
I hope to make them aware that their questions were stupid obviously.
hahah
Motherships
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2008.07.20 15:15:00 -
[160]
Next week class we will be discussing sarcasm. Class dismissed.
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Tasko Pal
Heron Corporation
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Posted - 2008.07.20 15:33:00 -
[161]
Originally by: LaVista Vista
For some reason, something about there being no stupid questions, but just stupid answers, comes to mind.
Ring any bell?
The loaded question is a great counterexample.
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Leowen
Industrial Giants
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Posted - 2008.07.20 19:40:00 -
[162]
Originally by: Shadarle
Originally by: Xelios Xarxes
I often wonder when I read these threads if these people also cry IRL when they drive by a nicer home or someone in a nicer car. Why not just accept there's always someone more successful?
Jealousy is an ugly, ugly thing.
So very true.
But it's fun seeing Leowen around, as I have a feeling he is richer than I am. Competition always brings out the best, so it's nice knowing there are others out there doing better than I am, gives me something to strive for.
I'm not interested in competing with you at all, I couldn't care less about our relative net worths. ISK is a secondary aspect to me now, so I continue some commercial activities only as a sideline to my real playing interests.
I watch this thread only because I don't like your attitude. Your lack of respect for others is appalling and regardless of how special you think you are it is unnecessary. So seeing someone take chunks out of you would be cool. I'd get involved myself, but like I said I don't really care that much. I have more interesting things to do.
Continue to be flattered if you wish that I may keep an eye on this whenever I have a bored moment.
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2008.07.20 20:28:00 -
[163]
Originally by: Leowen
Your lack of respect for others is appalling
Respect has to be earned. A random person posting drivel on the forums does not deserve respect, they can earn it by posting well written intelligent posts. Thus people like Shar, FL, DS, Akita, and others gained my respect. Others such as Taikun and Yougotripped serve as examples on the opposite side.
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Leowen
Industrial Giants
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Posted - 2008.07.20 21:31:00 -
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So just don't post?
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2008.07.20 22:03:00 -
[165]
Originally by: Leowen
So just don't post?
And let people go on thinking they have a brilliant idea when they do not, or let people think it's wise to invest in a shoddy plan?
What is with all the coddling around here. Boo-hoo, I might have hurt someones feelings on an internet forum!
You could just as easily take your own advice.
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YouGotRipped
Ewigkeit
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Posted - 2008.07.20 22:39:00 -
[166]
Originally by: Shadarle
Originally by: Leowen
So just don't post?
And let people go on thinking they have a brilliant idea when they do not, or let people think it's wise to invest in a shoddy plan?
What is with all the coddling around here. Boo-hoo, I might have hurt someones feelings on an internet forum!
You could just as easily take your own advice.
From now on you people should remember to feed Beebo just once a day.
Motherships
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Ugunidad
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Posted - 2008.07.20 23:15:00 -
[167]
Edited by: Ugunidad on 20/07/2008 23:16:07
Originally by: Shadarle
Survival of the fittest. If you can't handle criticism then you probably shouldn't be launching an IPO. Anyone who tries to launch an IPO is fair game to criticism of their ideas and if they can stand up to it then they might have a chance to succeed.
I'm sorry if you think I'm being mean when I point out major problems in peoples posts, but if everyone here held hands and sang songs we wouldn't get anywhere. And when I said "I'm sorry" you do know I was being less than truthful, right?
You can dislike my methods all you like, you can even express your dislike for my methods over and over. It really doesn't matter one way or the other to me.
Survival of the fittest?
So do you feel that these newbies are competing with you so instead of providing help or keeping quiet you focus on making them feel inferior over their understanding of market and trading in general?
Or are you envisioning yourself to be some kind of selection force?
No one is picking on you because you give criticism where criticism is due. Just that sometimes you pick to give criticism that is negative. What would you personally say about a person who often chooses to write negative, discouraging, belittling critiques instead of positive, encouraging, strictly factual ones?
Originally by: Shadarle
Originally by: Leowen
Your lack of respect for others is appalling
Respect has to be earned. A random person posting drivel on the forums does not deserve respect, they can earn it by posting well written intelligent posts. Thus people like Shar, FL, DS, Akita, and others gained my respect. Others such as Taikun and Yougotripped serve as examples on the opposite side.
So, is this an excuse to be disrespectful to everyone else then? How about people you don't know and never met? According to your statement here does it make sense to be disrespectful to strangers because they haven't earned your respect?
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Carebear Trader
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Posted - 2008.07.20 23:25:00 -
[168]
Don't normally read the market discussion forums, but just curious as to your wealth Shadarle. Now I know your ovbiously not going to reveal it, but would it be correct to say it's in the trillions??
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cosmoray
Cosmoray Construction
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Posted - 2008.07.21 00:32:00 -
[169]
I have read a lot of peoples posts about how Shad (or other MD regulars) have their ideas or IPO's critisized.
You have to realise a very important thing. Investors look at how people react to questions with their answers, and their overall attitude. I personally think this is more important than the plan.
1. If you are asked questions, provide answers.
2. If people critisize, explain the details/math and prove them wrong.
3. Get your IPO launched.
or
get moody/surly and emotional and no one will invest.
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Kldraina
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Posted - 2008.07.22 02:05:00 -
[170]
Originally by: Shadarle
Originally by: Leowen
Your lack of respect for others is appalling
Respect has to be earned. A random person posting drivel on the forums does not deserve respect, they can earn it by posting well written intelligent posts. Thus people like Shar, FL, DS, Akita, and others gained my respect. Others such as Taikun and Yougotripped serve as examples on the opposite side.
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