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Mal Lokrano Gallente Faulcon de Lazy Atrox Urbanis Respublique Abundatia	Posted - 2008.07.07 03:14:00 - [1] Edited by: Mal Lokrano on 07/07/2008 03:15:59 Edited by: Mal Lokrano on 07/07/2008 03:15:33 Hi, I've been playing for about 6 months now, and I am wondering is it just me or are the level 2 rouge drone deadspace complex always empty, they have the enterence drones but once you get into the complex all there is is the standard drone buildings and empty cans. I have never entered on with enemies in it. Is it that people have just completly wiped them out by that time of day or are they broken?
F'nog Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Celestial Industrial Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.07 03:53:00 - [2] They're probably just being farmed as soon as they respawn. Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said Originally by: Chribba Go F'nog! You're a hero! Not a Zero! /me bows
Case Kovaks Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2008.07.07 08:58:00 - [3] The Level 2 DEDs are pretty much always camped by people in T2 frigs: Intys, Stealth Bombers and Assault Ships mostly.
Joe Starbreaker AnTi. Atrocitas	Posted - 2008.07.07 09:01:00 - [4] I think they're broken. I used to do a lot of 1/10 and 2/10 plexes when I was new, a lot of them. There were some in Amarr space that were out of the way enough that you'd get a fresh plex 1 out of every 2 or 3 times you went, they weren't farmed completely. But the rogue drone ones, never. Never once have I gotten any loot. I've been there when they were full of drones, and killed them all, but the cans never had anything. I've even blown up the structures, which takes an hour in a frigate, and there was nothing. They're broken. Do the Sansha and Blood raider plexes instead, or the Angel 2/10 ones.
Guillight BLue Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2008.07.07 10:48:00 - [5] Edited by: Guillight BLue on 07/07/2008 10:54:38 Guess that's what you get when you got only a single-shard environment with 30-40k people online at the same time. As new player it's really a pain atm. Everything is perma farmed in High Sec. I started over with a fresh character, but the only thing you can do right now is just doing agent missions. That's it. DED's: Perma Farmed! Astroid Belt's: Perma Farmed! (both in mining as rat hunting!) It's a real shame, but it seems that EVE is running out of Space litterly and ironically. I am really at a point to just cancel and give up, because I'm really not interested to go into lowsec with a 900k SP character. Just plain suicide! No fun in getting one-shotted by T2 frigs and HAC's. Cheers
Mal Lokrano Gallente Faulcon de Lazy Atrox Urbanis Respublique Abundatia	Posted - 2008.07.07 11:05:00 - [6] thanks all, yeah I don't have any peoblems in level 1s just those level 2s. Doesn't help that i'm near a rookie starter system either. Thanks for your help,
Guillight BLue Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2008.07.07 11:11:00 - [7] Edited by: Guillight BLue on 07/07/2008 11:12:08 Originally by: Mal Lokrano thanks all, yeah I don't have any peoblems in level 1s just those level 2s. Doesn't help that i'm near a rookie starter system either. Thanks for your help, And you are Gallente, that makes it a bit worse too. As Gallente and Caldari are the two most popular races. Thus their High Sec systems are really crowded atm. I have an Amarr alt as well. So as this race is the least favorite one. I just might continue at that one. Guess playing the least favorite class can have it's advantage atm :)
Rafael Cane Republic University	Posted - 2008.07.07 11:13:00 - [8] Edited by: Rafael Cane on 07/07/2008 11:13:43 Try to get some explorations skills and search for hidden complexes. These are also farmed in a way, but it¦s possible to get some. @Guillight Asteroid belt are maybe around the rush-hours and in the systems with major traffik farmed, but if you jump one gate further there is ALWAYS enough to mine and rat. I never understood why people are ratting in belts in highsec anyway.....it¦s just no real profit in it. Edit: Typo....
Mal Lokrano Gallente Faulcon de Lazy Atrox Urbanis Respublique Abundatia	Posted - 2008.07.07 11:16:00 - [9] Yeah, it is crowded aroun here normally always 80 people in each system I'm at so I wouldn't doubt that their camped to the brink of breaking, I just never found anything at all other than the drone buildings in the level 2 deadspaces. I prefer the level 1s and above level 2s anyhow.
Guillight BLue Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2008.07.07 11:23:00 - [10] Originally by: Rafael Cane Edited by: Rafael Cane on 07/07/2008 11:13:43 Try to get some explorations skills and search for hidden complexes. These are also farmed in a way, but it¦s possible to get some. @Guillight Asteroid belt are maybe around the rush-hours and in the systems with major traffik farmed, but if you jump one gate further there is ALWAYS enough to mine and rat. I never understood why people are ratting in belts in highsec anyway.....it¦s just no real profit in it. Edit: Typo.... I know, but some people like me have a fulltime job, so my only choice is to play in Primetime. But then again. There isn't really a primetime as almost the whole world plays on the same server remember ;) So it's always primetime anyway. Hidden complexes are also farmed, as you can get exploration skills up pretty fast :( So it's just like salvaging, one of the first skills people get these days. I am not into mining anymore. Way too tedious now with so many people online atm. I did a lot of mining till over a year ago, when there was plenty to mine and decent profit to be made, without spending ridiculous ammounts of SP to get those large very expensive mining vessels so you can mine enough quantities to make decent profit. I know it's all about contested and competition. But at this moment EVE Online is slowly starting to become a victim of it's own success. You get so many new people in High Sec that playing becomes litterly tedious. The only solution I see in this is the introduction of new races and thus creating more starting areas to spread the new players out a bit more. Cheers
Mal Lokrano Gallente Faulcon de Lazy Atrox Urbanis Respublique Abundatia	Posted - 2008.07.07 11:25:00 - [11] I totally agree with the thoughts about highsec cause I don't mine much now as the systems with belts around here have people mining in everyone of them. I have literally seen belts with every other material but veldspar lmao.
Rafael Cane Republic University	Posted - 2008.07.07 11:38:00 - [12] And this is a ressentiment: Veldspar gives pretty good ISK, but most believe what¦s written in the description of the ores and don¦t calculate the volume-units-relations. The high polpulation has also it¦s advantages. My alt got into trading last week...this is fun. If you want low population: Go to Derelik or Genesis. The disatvantage there is that you can¦t get every stuff within four jumps, but you¦re on your own in many systems or share them with three to ten people.
Gartel Reiman Civis Romanus Sum TRUST Coalition	Posted - 2008.07.07 12:25:00 - [13] Originally by: Guillight BLue Astroid Belt's: Perma Farmed! (both in mining as rat hunting!) I am not a miner, but many of my alliance mates are and they have never expressed any problems with belts being mined out. I believe there was one occasion a few months or so ago where other miners started to get more populous in one of the systems they liked, and as a result there was a bit of a "strip the belts clean" war between the two groups. Eventually the newcomers moved off to somewhere less competitive. But apart from that, there has always been more than enough Veldspar to keep them busy. And this is in Sinq Laison highsec, which has got to be one of the more populous areas in general. Especially in the smaller mining ships, I'd be very surprised if you can't find a system within a half-dozen jumps of your current location that has plentiful ore for you to mine. And if you say that you don't want to have to move to find the rocks - well, then that's your decision. Players in EVE often have a tendency to congregate for various resources, without considering the negative aspects of this. In that regard I like competitive pressures such as belts being mined out, ninja salvagers as an incitement to move away from the big areas, in the same way that a healthy market is an incitement to move to them. There are dozens and dozens of high sec systems where the belts are seldom mined at all, if that's what you're really after, it just takes a conscious decision to find them and relocate there. (The same goes for mission runners, agents and salvage thieves, of course). And as for ratting in high-sec - it's hideously unprofitable, and can't really be farmed due to the rats respawning on a timer when you warp between the belts (so someone can't just camp a single belt like they can a complex - and if they did they'd make around 50k ISK an hour or something pitiful like that). High-sec ratting can be useful to generate targets for weapons tests, and for very very new players who perhaps can't handle to full spawn of a level 1 mission, but that's about it. If you actually want to make money from blowing up frigates, level 1 missions are a good way to generate a batch of them on demand (and get extra ISK, LP and standing as a bonus!).
Joe Starbreaker AnTi. Atrocitas	Posted - 2008.07.07 15:52:00 - [14] Originally by: Rafael Cane I never understood why people are ratting in belts in highsec anyway.....it¦s just no real profit in it. Mostly we do it because we want to PVP. However, I recently got a hauler spawn with a mining upgrade worth 90M in Vylade while trolling for cans to flip!

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