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DracoDiCer
Thanos and Killjoy Productions
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Posted - 2008.07.07 08:37:00 -
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Edited by: DracoDiCer on 07/07/2008 08:40:17
Tired of all your sell orders and auctions going away after 5mins?
Want a better solution?
Come To EVE-Bay!
Where your sell Order does not disappear into the Millions of other sell orders.
Come to EVE-Bay where we care about your crap!
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Darth Tirranicus
Thanos and Killjoy Productions
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Posted - 2008.07.07 08:45:00 -
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Cool
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Spineker
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.07.07 08:49:00 -
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Think this is like the 10th Evebay of some sort.
Hard to be contract system these days.
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Kwitch
Caldari
eXceed Inc.
eXceed.
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Posted - 2008.07.07 09:14:00 -
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Very nice looking website.
I present my opinion:
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From EVE-ONLINE EULA
10. You may not market, sell, advertise, promote, solicit or otherwise arrange for the exchange or transfer of items in the game or other game services unless it is for in-game sales of in-game services or items.
11. The advertisement or sale of out of game goods and services not directly related to EVE online is prohibited. The only out of game goods and services which can be advertised or sold are the following: EVE forum signature creation, website and third party voice communication server hosting or EVE Time Codes.
but nice work on the layout, maybe it can be used for something else, perhaps sell some baked goods? i would be interested in that :D
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Andrew shi'tra
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Posted - 2008.07.07 09:32:00 -
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unless it is for in-game sales of in-game services or items.
Where did he say that he's trying to sell anything for out-of-game money or out-of-game items/services again? |
Kwitch
Caldari
eXceed Inc.
eXceed.
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Posted - 2008.07.07 09:39:00 -
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From the registration page:
Membership to this web-site is only available to those you can form a legally binding contract.
This site acts as the window for sellers to conduct auctions and for bidders to bid on sellers' auctions.
This Web-site shall not be responsible for any items sold by Auction...
compared to EULA:
You may not market, sell, advertise, promote, solicit or otherwise arrange for the exchange or transfer of items in the game or other game services
Perhaps I'm mistaken. just didn't sound right. Perhaps it could be corrected to not be misleading.
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Andrew shi'tra
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Posted - 2008.07.07 09:42:00 -
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Read the last part of that eula bit again...
10. You may not market, sell, advertise, promote, solicit or otherwise arrange for the exchange or transfer of items in the game or other game services unless it is for in-game sales of in-game services or items.
unless it is for in-game sales of in-game services or items
Again, He's making a website to allow you to sell INGAME ITEMS for INGAME ISK, How does that breach that section of the eula?
It's not misleading at all, In fact, It's quite obvious. |
Kwitch
Caldari
eXceed Inc.
eXceed.
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Posted - 2008.07.07 09:45:00 -
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I omitted the last part because it was where you were getting caught up on, it's your focus. the fact that there is consent of forming a binding contract outside of the game is my issue with it.
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Andrew shi'tra
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Posted - 2008.07.07 09:52:00 -
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Edited by: Andrew shi''tra on 07/07/2008 09:52:51
Even so, All it involves is ISK and ingame items, Kinda like the sell orders forum, And whatever you agree to on that site, I doubt it can be constituted as a legally binding contract, No matter what the site claims.
That said, Yeah, That part should probably be removed.
But even so, That's not breaking any of the parts of the eula you quoted either.
Quote:
From EVE-ONLINE EULA
10. You may not market, sell, advertise, promote, solicit or otherwise arrange for the exchange or transfer of items in the game or other game services unless it is for in-game sales of in-game services or items.
He's not marketing, selling, advertising, promoting, soliciting or otherwise arranging for the exchange of items in the game or other game services ro any out-of-game sales, services or items, It's all for ingame items and ISK.
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11. The advertisement or sale of out of game goods and services not directly related to EVE online is prohibited. The only out of game goods and services which can be advertised or sold are the following: EVE forum signature creation, website and third party voice communication server hosting or EVE Time Codes.
It's not advertisement or sale of out of game goods and services, So this part doesn't apply either. |
Reash
Amarr
Auctoritan Syndicate
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.07 09:53:00 -
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Originally by: Kwitch
I omitted the last part because it was where you were getting caught up on, it's your focus. the fact that there is consent of forming a binding contract outside of the game is my issue with it.
The part you ommitted is the important part in this case.
The statment from the EULA refering to selling in game things for out of game cash, arranging to sell a something in game using out of game methods is not a problem...otherwise i bet a lot of people would be guilty by using teamspeak/vent/msn messenger....etc etc.
If he was arranging for items to be sold for real world cash then yea, it would be against the EULA
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Kwitch
Caldari
eXceed Inc.
eXceed.
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Posted - 2008.07.07 09:55:00 -
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good points, i stand corrected.
good luck with your site!
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DracoDiCer
Thanos and Killjoy Productions
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Posted - 2008.07.07 10:16:00 -
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Originally by: Reash
Originally by: Kwitch
I omitted the last part because it was where you were getting caught up on, it's your focus. the fact that there is consent of forming a binding contract outside of the game is my issue with it.
The part you ommitted is the important part in this case.
The statment from the EULA refering to selling in game things for out of game cash, arranging to sell a something in game using out of game methods is not a problem...otherwise i bet a lot of people would be guilty by using teamspeak/vent/msn messenger....etc etc.
If he was arranging for items to be sold for real world cash then yea, it would be against the EULA
You are very correct and you dont eve have to give me isk it is optional :)
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DracoDiCer
Thanos and Killjoy Productions
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Posted - 2008.07.07 10:26:00 -
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Originally by: Spineker
Think this is like the 10th Evebay of some sort.
Hard to be contract system these days.
I had a really crappy one before does that count?
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DracoDiCer
Thanos and Killjoy Productions
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Posted - 2008.07.07 10:40:00 -
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Oh yeah 10mil to the first person to Post something
***10 MIL $$$ Oh yeah***
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Tamia Clant
New Dawn Corp
New Eden Research
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Posted - 2008.07.07 11:11:00 -
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What's up with the ridiculous demands for information on registration? Address, phone number, are you kidding me?
Looking for queue-free research slots? Click here!
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DracoDiCer
Thanos and Killjoy Productions
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Posted - 2008.07.07 11:14:00 -
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Originally by: Tamia Clant
What's up with the ridiculous demands for information on registration? Address, phone number, are you kidding me?
I could care less what you put there just complete it
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Tamia Clant
New Dawn Corp
New Eden Research
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Posted - 2008.07.07 11:31:00 -
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Err, how does one start an auction? I managed to make an ad by accident.
Looking for queue-free research slots? Click here!
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DracoDiCer
Thanos and Killjoy Productions
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Posted - 2008.07.07 20:37:00 -
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I have noticed a few issues so please tell me if you find anything its still a new site
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
LoneStar Industries
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2008.07.07 23:30:00 -
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Niec. 
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Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria!
Go vote!
Put voice for silent majority.
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Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2008.07.07 23:51:00 -
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Edited by: Blane Xero on 07/07/2008 23:52:18
Originally by: Kwitch
Edited by: Kwitch on 07/07/2008 09:17:15
Very nice looking website.
I present my opinion:
Quote:
From EVE-ONLINE EULA
10. You may not market, sell, advertise, promote, solicit or otherwise arrange for the exchange or transfer of items in the game or other game services unless it is for in-game sales of in-game services or items.
11. The advertisement or sale of out of game goods and services not directly related to EVE online is prohibited. The only out of game goods and services which can be advertised or sold are the following: EVE forum signature creation, website and third party voice communication server hosting or EVE Time Codes.
but nice work on the layout, maybe it can be used for something else, perhaps sell some baked goods? i would be interested in that :D
*edit*
I read your general terms, I see you are attempting to brush off the EULA as you are merely providing a vehicle for in-game sellers to promote their auctions to other players. Therefore not actually selling the items. How is this different if I coordinate with another player for him to transfer 5 billion isk to my account, and in exchange for this auction i reward him with an eve-mail containing various data describing a ship fitting or layout?
Hmm, well, if it isn't Kwitch. *waves hesitantly*
Good to see you stand corrected, always making a fuss over nothing. And yes, i still remember and i'm still around in eve, still got me blocked for no reason?.
If you ever want the money i owe you back, jus lemme know.
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DracoDiCer
Thanos and Killjoy Productions
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Posted - 2008.07.08 00:14:00 -
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***First big auction!!***
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DracoDiCer
Thanos and Killjoy Productions
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Posted - 2008.07.08 00:55:00 -
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And the first people that posted to win the 10min are "ceyriot" and "Tamia Clant" i will xfer the isk when i get home from work tonight.
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Jacob Mei
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Posted - 2008.07.08 01:11:00 -
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Though I dont have a real incentive to use your site at the moment I will definitely keep my eye on it. Hope it takes off as I can see this being quite the Jita killer if it all works out.
A few questions I have though:
1. Can a corporation as a whole be a seller, or does it have to be an individual?
2. Do you have any safe guards in place to prevent ISK sellers from using this system?
3. Do you have any systems in place to prevent scamming?
4. Have you thought of hooking up with the ingame banks to setup direct isk transfers? I believe Ebank is setting up a system to be, as they put it, a paypal for eve.
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To borrow a phrase:
Players who post are like stars, there are bright ones and those who are dim.
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DracoDiCer
Thanos and Killjoy Productions
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Posted - 2008.07.08 02:01:00 -
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Originally by: Jacob Mei
Though I dont have a real incentive to use your site at the moment I will definitely keep my eye on it. Hope it takes off as I can see this being quite the Jita killer if it all works out.
A few questions I have though:
1. Can a corporation as a whole be a seller, or does it have to be an individual?
2. Do you have any safe guards in place to prevent ISK sellers from using this system?
3. Do you have any systems in place to prevent scamming?
4. Have you thought of hooking up with the ingame banks to setup direct isk transfers? I believe Ebank is setting up a system to be, as they put it, a paypal for eve.
To answer your first question yes you can have a whole corp with an account you would just have to give them the login information
For the second if anyone tries to post a sell order for out of game money i will IP ban them, and chinas government has blocked my webhost from there people so that drops most of them from even seeing the site :)
For your third Scamming is still one of the things where its all on the users because since you buying options are only in-game just make sure you *read* what ever it is you are accepting... and with the feedback option you can tell other people about someone trying to scam :)
For your forth I would love to look into a system like that if you could give me any information you know about that feel free to send it to me.
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Jacob Mei
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Posted - 2008.07.08 02:10:00 -
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Originally by: DracoDiCer
For your third Scamming is still one of the things where its all on the users because since you buying options are only in-game just make sure you *read* what ever it is you are accepting... and with the feedback option you can tell other people about someone trying to scam :)
Okay so you dont actually hold any of the items on your site but its up to the two players (buyer and seller) to make the formal contract, am I right?
Im not affiliated with Ebank, only a customer, however there site is here . The mention of the paypal plan can be found here.
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To borrow a phrase:
Players who post are like stars, there are bright ones and those who are dim.
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DracoDiCer
Thanos and Killjoy Productions
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Posted - 2008.07.08 02:17:00 -
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Edited by: DracoDiCer on 08/07/2008 02:17:57
Originally by: Jacob Mei
Originally by: DracoDiCer
For your third Scamming is still one of the things where its all on the users because since you buying options are only in-game just make sure you *read* what ever it is you are accepting... and with the feedback option you can tell other people about someone trying to scam :)
Okay so you dont actually hold any of the items on your site but its up to the two players (buyer and seller) to make the formal contract, am I right?
Im not affiliated with Ebank, only a customer, however there site is here . The mention of the paypal plan can be found here.
The thing about the Ebank reminds me of an other site Biggest MMO scam ever
But if anyone ever wanted me to hold items for them and sell them i would not mind it and i am a trust worthy guy i would just take a small percentage of the final sale price.
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Jacob Mei
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Posted - 2008.07.08 02:42:00 -
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Admittedly I was sceptical at first with Ebank but in the time that ive done buisness with them I would say they are genuine, though I would recomend you do your own research before taking my word on it.
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To borrow a phrase:
Players who post are like stars, there are bright ones and those who are dim.
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DracoDiCer
Thanos and Killjoy Productions
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Posted - 2008.07.08 03:58:00 -
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Thanx for all the support guys it is really turning out to be a hit I am getting alot of hits and have already had a few sales and want ads filed, this is turning out to be way cool.
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Shana Ishida
Moist And Nakked Holdings Corp
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Posted - 2008.07.08 04:49:00 -
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Originally by: DracoDiCer
Edited by: DracoDiCer on 07/07/2008 08:40:17
Tired of all your sell orders and auctions going away after 5mins?
Want a better solution?
Come To EVE-Bay!
Where your sell Order does not disappear into the Millions of other sell orders.
Come to EVE-Bay where we care about your crap!
But...But....There is no ISK PAL.....
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DracoDiCer
Thanos and Killjoy Productions
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Posted - 2008.07.08 05:29:00 -
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Edited by: DracoDiCer on 08/07/2008 05:29:35
Originally by: Shana Ishida
Originally by: DracoDiCer
Edited by: DracoDiCer on 07/07/2008 08:40:17
Tired of all your sell orders and auctions going away after 5mins?
Want a better solution?
Come To EVE-Bay!
Where your sell Order does not disappear into the Millions of other sell orders.
Come to EVE-Bay where we care about your crap!
But...But....There is no ISK PAL.....
AH yes an ISKPAL would be nice
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