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Great Artista Caldari Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.07.08 19:13:00 - [61] Originally by: Dheorl Due to range. Also I never said anything about crow vs sader (because depending on fits it can be a pretty close fight), just that a crow would do better against cruisers and other ceptors. I disagree on the cruiser point, at 5km/s upwards inties become pretty much untouchable against cruisers and since sader is dealing more or less double the damage (unless you want to drop OD to BCU) it should be the more obvious choise against cruisers. Other things not mentioned, there are no 50m a pop poly-rigs on the sader, optimal rigs are 5m at max. Much cheaper to fly, obviously if you want to go all out gist MWD with T2 polies then crow is your ship. But I don't think this thread was about that. If crusader doesn't get webbed on fight against crow, it really shouldn't lose. Then again, these are interceptors, piloting skills are utmost important factor on piloting ceptors. For example; too elliptical orbits lower your speed on turning points and give the missiles a chance to hurt; or if the crow is faster than you, you need to hit approach so your speed stays high enough to avoid missiles (fail to hit approach and you might end up going around in a small circle within the crows orbit, at 2km/s or so), ect, ect. A lot of things have to be taken account when flying them. _______ ◕◡◕
Evil Edna FIRMA	Posted - 2008.07.08 19:25:00 - [62] crows the best, although it does need a proper fitting and by that i mean polycarbons, although thats true of all ceptors imo if you want the best from them. the crows big advantage over the others is that it can fight and kill larger ships up to and including battleships as well as other ceptors/frigs/trash.
Reichsmarschall Hermann	Posted - 2008.07.08 19:38:00 - [63] Originally by: Evil Edna the crows big advantage over the others is that it can fight and kill larger ships up to and including battleships as well as other ceptors/frigs/trash. How can crow kill BS?
Dheorl The Scope	Posted - 2008.07.08 20:10:00 - [64] Edited by: Dheorl on 08/07/2008 20:12:31 Originally by: MITSUK0 If crusader has a web and not a point which is how it should run for pure dogfighting then its advantage crusader, it is fast enough to pin the taranis at the edge of web range and can deal enough dps to wtfpwn it. Until of course the ranis overheats or just warps off. Originally by: Great Artista I disagree on the cruiser point, at 5km/s upwards inties become pretty much untouchable against cruisers and since sader is dealing more or less double the damage (unless you want to drop OD to BCU) it should be the more obvious choise against cruisers. So your sader can do over 200dps outside webrange whilst maintaing a fast orbit... man I want to see this setup. Originally by: Great Artista Other things not mentioned, there are no 50m a pop poly-rigs on the sader Oh, would you look at that, there aren't any on my crow either.
Evil Edna FIRMA	Posted - 2008.07.08 21:01:00 - [65] Originally by: Reichsmarschall Hermann Originally by: Evil Edna the crows big advantage over the others is that it can fight and kill larger ships up to and including battleships as well as other ceptors/frigs/trash. How can crow kill BS? very very slowly but because it can easily be cap stable with mwd and point on and doesnt need to ever get anywhere near web range, can orbit at max speed and still hit every time, or even stay outa nos/neut range with a faction point its possible other ceptors cant
skuko Caldari	Posted - 2008.07.09 09:59:00 - [66] well, then the question "best bang for buck" arises. crow and "teamwork crow" are two completely different ships imo. full snake set in your head is also a big factor. i don't know, cuz i'm a noob, but taking the price/performance ratio into account, which one would you consider the "best"? sader? ranis? crow? the never ending dilemma...
Dheorl The Scope	Posted - 2008.07.09 10:03:00 - [67] Just wondering, why has no-one really mentioned stiletto yet, it's a great gang tackler and a viable dog fighter.
Daan Sai HAZCON Inc	Posted - 2008.07.09 10:35:00 - [68] From a racing viewpoint: For flat out sub-warp speed, the silver magnate is an insanely expensive winner, only 1mill kg to start with and loads of lows and rig slots, plus a base speed over 500m/s. It will beat all other frigates and interceptors, but as a nearly unique ship it probably doesn't count. For warp speed, the T2 inties win still, like the Ares, which has lots of lows and a 13.5 Au/s base warp speed.
Savage Creampuff Caldari Privateers	Posted - 2008.07.09 11:41:00 - [69] i fly both the sader and ranis and while they have completely different styles, i love them both a good sader pilot should never die to a blasteranis because the ranis should never get in range to hit. Also, a good blasteranis pilot should have a decent chance of popping most sader pilots because 1: a good pilot should know how to get into range vs a faster ship and 2: most sader pilots won't fit poly's, gistii mwds or gasp beams all of which make the sader much harder to kill Quote: I've sent in plenty of petitions but it seems that CCP just doesn't care about me. Without knowledge of market dynamics theres no way I can compete with these griefers
Evil Edna FIRMA	Posted - 2008.07.10 11:20:00 - [70] Edited by: Evil Edna on 10/07/2008 11:21:11 Originally by: skuko well, then the question "best bang for buck" arises. crow and "teamwork crow" are two completely different ships imo. full snake set in your head is also a big factor. i don't know, cuz i'm a noob, but taking the price/performance ratio into account, which one would you consider the "best"? sader? ranis? crow? the never ending dilemma... oh i know my crow is a totally different proposition to a regular crow so im talking about a regular crow fit in this. out of those 3 id still take the crow for almost everything. a blaster ranis is great vs other ceptors if you can catch them and hold them within 5/6km for long enough, but its a gamble to fly, youve either got to kill the other guy very quickly or youre gonna run out of cap and die yourself. crusader again nice damage and better range/tracking than the ranis, but the lack of a web will give you problems against decent ceptor pilots and makes it much more vulnerable to dying to nano cruisers/hacs as it cant counter web them and break away. crow has range, much easier cap stability and 3 mids. plus its quite fast. a crow fit with a gistii b type mwd (20m or so), 2 polys and 3 t2 overdrives and some cheap 3% speed hardwires (again about 20m total), will be going over 10km/sec. thats faster than virtually every ceptor ive seen since flying the teamwork crow and should never really die and be able to beat virtually any other ceptor in the process, and is also fast enough to fight larger ships solo. this is all talking without any kind of snake set btw
Inoue Zael Dawn of Fire	Posted - 2008.07.10 11:34:00 - [71] Taranis > Sader What does Jury rigging V do? Originally by: Viqtoria make courtrooms swing in your favour more often.
JS LiamElms Gallente Quantum Industries RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.11 17:00:00 - [72] epic.. not even sure where to start. I even logged in my main to express my amusement and the EFTing going on in this thread. I may even read the rest. btw.. a few things amarr have great tracking so is always interesting going in against sadars etc, Crows have good lock range but as long as your doing 4+k he's not a danger. To really fly a ranis you MUST manually fly it (its slow enough and you have to master the pulsing of mwd to land perfectly at close range). If you have 2 competent inty pilots the fight will last a long time, and the winner is probably the one that didn't make a mistake. Webs are overrated (inty v inty) at post 10k (if both pilots are webbing inertia will drift you out of web range)... UNLESS one is chasing the other, and or you get the right angle (lucky/mistake). ALL inties are capable of killing all the other intys if piloted correctly. I am happy to fly my ares against any other ceptor, recently PF- next to orvolle i enjoyed a 3v1 duel when at times i was webbed and at times had webs on target. they had crow 2xmalediction. But i only won cause i saw alliance mates in local and new i had support (its a cruel game!). Its about breaking each others tank over time. and someone making a mistake! oh, the ares... is probably one of the harder inties to duel in, and yet the most rewarding due to its tiny damage! Taranis is typically flown with DCII BECAUSE its biggest buffer is its structure!! 60% bonus is a nice bonus o.0 (infact the dc is prob best on no other ship than that of the ranis (i am inty pilot so bias). note: never accept a 1v1... they will be setup to kill you! only do 1v1's out on the field when both are not expecting it. note2: lol at the none rigged inty pilots! Gank fits are cheap cause your going to die, tacklers fit faction for the range (sensor boosters are your friends) note3: the only inty i am conciously aware of while fighting while flying my ares is the sadar (partly to a mistake that cost me, nervous twitch time) but also cause it has awesome tracking, which makes dive bombing hard! to the op, the simply is no overall best inty! they are very well ballenced and most highly skill pilots have at sometime during their eve life piloted one with many a great story. Simply put, they are f***ing amasing ships. but, and its sad, the are ships that simply do the job better... don't let that stop you enjoying some great times enjoy
Norwood Franskly Minmatar Fleet of the Damned Dark Trinity Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.11 17:23:00 - [73] I don't get this thread someone asked about the best interceptor and it turned into an epeen thread about 1v1. How often do you get 1 v 1 fights in a interceptor (or any other ship in eve), it's ridiculous to base an argument for best ship on 1 v 1 performance. I fly a stiletto imo it's the best interceptor in eve because it has the most midslots, when I'm flying a ceptor I know I'm not there for dps I'm the guy in the fleet who does the tackling.
Evil Edna FIRMA	Posted - 2008.07.11 18:19:00 - [74] Originally by: Norwood Franskly I don't get this thread someone asked about the best interceptor and it turned into an epeen thread about 1v1. How often do you get 1 v 1 fights in a interceptor (or any other ship in eve), it's ridiculous to base an argument for best ship on 1 v 1 performance. I fly a stiletto imo it's the best interceptor in eve because it has the most midslots, when I'm flying a ceptor I know I'm not there for dps I'm the guy in the fleet who does the tackling. actually when flying ceptors ive had alot of 1v1s against other ceptors if you dont roll around in a blob it happens plenty
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova Trinity Nova Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.11 19:32:00 - [75] Edited by: Grimpak on 11/07/2008 19:32:11 meh, experience by using all 8 interceptors tells me this: taranis is pwn. only ship that I really fear when in it is the malediction (when well flown that is). ares is a great tackler, and fast, and has 4 lows. crow is general purpose. easiest of all 4 "killer" interceptors to use, altho you'll be looking for better options after flying arround in it for a while. raptor is a craptor, 'nuff said claw could use a boost, but I've seen many claw pilots doing wonders on the damn things. nasty lil' things. stilleto: MSE + point + sensor booster + mwd = pwnage. best tackler ingame, hands down crusader is right up there together with the taranis as the ultimate anti-interceptor tools. both are good, altho the crusader packs more speed (taranis packs more firepower however). malediction is the tanking beast of all inties. and fast to boot. all in all, the pecking order is somewhat taranis = crusader > crow = claw for the killers and stilleto > ares = malediction > T1 frigates > shuttles > craptor for the tacklers. --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
Kaeten Hybrid Syndicate	Posted - 2008.07.11 20:01:00 - [76] Originally by: ceyriot Edited by: ceyriot on 08/07/2008 12:58:00 Originally by: Hrmph What is the best overall interceptor? I have a couple....Just depends on what I want to do lolwut = Machariel Drones = Taranis NukeFromOrbit = Crow Fly really fast and look like an X-Wing = Any Minnie one. since when did a Machariel count as an inty? ________________________ Comming back June 5th...
ATARI BABY Lords Of Guile	Posted - 2008.07.23 10:03:00 - [77] Edited by: ATARI BABY on 23/07/2008 10:04:31 Edited by: ATARI BABY on 23/07/2008 10:03:56 ... http://triumvirate-alliance.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=128047 i guess this is the best ceptor.
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Eve Defence Force	Posted - 2008.07.23 13:15:00 - [78] Originally by: Grimpak all in all, the pecking order is somewhat taranis = crusader > crow = claw for the killers and stilleto > ares = malediction > T1 frigates > shuttles > craptor for the tacklers. Meh, I kill stilettos all the time in my malediction :-) ----------------------------------------- [Video] I'm a soldier, so remember the name
Dheorl Surge. NIght's Dawn	Posted - 2008.07.23 13:22:00 - [79] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: Grimpak all in all, the pecking order is somewhat taranis = crusader > crow = claw for the killers and stilleto > ares = malediction > T1 frigates > shuttles > craptor for the tacklers. Meh, I kill stilettos all the time in my malediction :-) That doesn't make them a better tackler though, also most stilettos aren't fitted for dogfighting but pure gang tackler.
Felix Dzerzhinsky Caldari Wreckless Abandon Un-Natural Selection	Posted - 2008.07.23 18:38:00 - [80] The Beam-Saider is the king. . .and the Malidiction is the best tackler inti for a hundred reasons. Its not just about slots, its about speed and acceleration, loc-range and damage - the Mali does these things so so well. ---- GO BLUE!!
Maeltstome Minmatar Suicidal Office Clerks	Posted - 2008.07.23 19:38:00 - [81] Edited by: Maeltstome on 23/07/2008 19:42:37 Read half the arguments and got a bit tired - so i'll throw in my 2cents. Taranis will loose to any long range ceptor that's faster than it. An experienced Taranis will catch a faster ceptor than it and melt it. Grey Area An experienced taranis pilot will loose 90% of the time to an intereceptor veteran. A veteran taranis pilot will run when he sees another veteran pilot out-flying him in a faster ceptor I spent about 2 weeks solid on Sisi when the malediction revision came around and lost count of the number and variety of ships i bled to death. The number of ranis's that "fly smart" and whip around to try and push you into web range is countless, and it will work for them mostly, but like all tactics there are counters to it. Personally i have orbit and keep range set for certain distances and i spend the entire fight look at the other ceptor to see maneauvering. The malediction is perfect for killing a ranis - since it's faster, has a better lock range and can scram from nearly 30km. MASSIVE margin for error. A crusader will have a harder time of staying at that sweet range, but patience and perseverance will pay off if you know what you're doing. PS - taranis has 850 struct, crusader has 750. Factoring in the taranis going into structure and then getting a web on the crusader at about 70-80% struct remaining, inertia will decide if the ranis gets into range fast enough before the saders lasers finish it off. I base all this on my own fitting of DLP with locus rigs and TE's. PPS - i fly the taranis alot aswell as the crusader, since a good tackler will get you 10 times more kills than a good BS pilot. ------- [12:07] w33Daz: a trained 1 skill fur 24 mins n it took 2 days aff drones lvl 5 [12:07] w33Daz: A WIS LIKE WTF
Minsuki Metafarmers	Posted - 2008.07.23 20:32:00 - [82] Edited by: Minsuki on 23/07/2008 20:32:21 Originally by: ATARI BABY Edited by: ATARI BABY on 23/07/2008 10:04:31 Edited by: ATARI BABY on 23/07/2008 10:03:56 ... http://triumvirate-alliance.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=128047 i guess this is the best ceptor. 2-3bil crow(ESTAMEL freaking BCS, probably costs more than the rest of the ship combined), plus a full snake set, and he loses it to a drake and raven? fail.
MERIC KARA	Posted - 2008.07.23 22:39:00 - [83] Originally by: Minsuki Edited by: Minsuki on 23/07/2008 20:32:21 Originally by: ATARI BABY Edited by: ATARI BABY on 23/07/2008 10:04:31 Edited by: ATARI BABY on 23/07/2008 10:03:56 ... http://triumvirate-alliance.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=128047 i guess this is the best ceptor. 2-3bil crow(ESTAMEL freaking BCS, probably costs more than the rest of the ship combined), plus a full snake set, and he loses it to a drake and raven? fail. yes she lost her snake set.
Spaztick Canadian Imperial Armaments EVESpace	Posted - 2008.07.23 23:11:00 - [84] For pure tackling and gankwork: Claw or Stiletto For killing other intys, frigs and (maybe assault ships): Taranis or Crusader Crow/Raptor are in between the two. But seriously, more people should have some type of spacer in their sigs to show it's not part of the post.
Gimpb	Posted - 2008.07.24 00:06:00 - [85] Well seeing as there are two distinct schools of inties, you'd have to pick one of each at a minimum. For example the ares and the ranis are both great at their individual roles and aren't really competing.
Spaztick Canadian Imperial Armaments EVESpace	Posted - 2008.07.24 05:19:00 - [86] Originally by: Gimpb Well seeing as there are two distinct schools of inties, you'd have to pick one of each at a minimum. For example the ares and the ranis are both great at their individual roles and aren't really competing. Well the thing is some of the intys aren't that great when compared to their other racial counterpart. The claw sucks and sucks for only one reason, and that's because of targeting range. Without proper targeting range you can't use the ship for what it was meant for, which was outrunning and outgunning other ships with massive range on arties. The other inty ships do this so well (crusader is the best at it, followed by taranis), and it's disappointing because it has the fastest speed of all the cepters out there, yet can't hit its target without being in blaster/pulse/ac range. It has 2 mid slots so it can't web and scramble (and thus use ACs) and doesn't have the firepower of other cepters (with the inability to fit 4 turrets). Speed is what it has going for it, and it's (nothing short of) shitty targeting range keeps it from being an excellent ship. As of right now it's sup-par at best, suicidal to fly at worst. I didn't mean to turn this into a Claw rant thread, I'm just saying that for the minny inties the two roles aren't really that split or diverse because nobody would fly the claw over the stiletto. But seriously, more people should have some type of spacer in their sigs to show it's not part of the post.
JS LiamElms Gallente Quantum Industries RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.24 08:25:00 - [87] Originally by: ATARI BABY Edited by: ATARI BABY on 23/07/2008 10:04:31 Edited by: ATARI BABY on 23/07/2008 10:03:56 ... http://triumvirate-alliance.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=128047 i guess this is the best ceptor. note/ never to listen to someone with little skill in actually flying a inty, but rather pimping it to high heven then letting orbit do the work.... you got to be really going some to die to a raven and drake!
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova Trinity Nova Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.24 08:45:00 - [88] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: Grimpak all in all, the pecking order is somewhat taranis = crusader > crow = claw for the killers and stilleto > ares = malediction > T1 frigates > shuttles > craptor for the tacklers. Meh, I kill stilettos all the time in my malediction :-) never said it was better killer than the stlleto. just better tackler --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.

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