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Tolwyn Assim
Gallente Caldari Deep Space Ventures
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Posted - 2008.07.07 16:20:00 -
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most of the threads about this ship are pre-buff, and I wanted some new opinions (if they've changed at all) Got some questions about the way I'm fitting my new(ish) Deimos. currently I'm using this:
Highs: Modal Neutron x5 Med Nos
Meds: Yt Overcharged MWD LSE II x5 proto webby
Lows: DCU II MAR II Amarr Navy EANM MFS II x2 Beta PDS
PG rig x2
Hammerhead II x 5
my thinking in using the LSE is the strong passive resists of the hull let me build a large shield buffer for skirmish engagements, giving me enough time to get under the tracking arc of big guns, and while using the armor for more serious tanking. If I'm battling a target that rips through my shields before I get a good bite out of him, I'm probably not gonna win the fight anyway and should be looking to GFTO,
I've been running l4 missions in groups, and I'm hearing my damage is somewhat lacking; though I'm not sure how much more I can squeeze out of this hull.
whattaya folks think?
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Yaro
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Posted - 2008.07.07 16:36:00 -
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oh god, what r u doing with t1 blaster fitted deimos in PVE...please sell this ship and never ever fly it again...
if you still gonna fly it in lvl4 .... try to fit rails at least
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mama guru
Gallente Celestial Apocalypse The Requiem
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Posted - 2008.07.07 16:36:00 -
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Edited by: mama guru on 07/07/2008 16:36:58 First: No
EDIT: NVM deimos in pve is not what i'd use anyway
EVE is like the "Fisherman's Friend" of MMOs. If it's too hard, you are too weak. |
Ralara
Caldari Vivicide
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Posted - 2008.07.07 17:18:00 -
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oh jesus, it's NOT A SHIELD TANKED VESSEL --
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Mikael Mechka
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Posted - 2008.07.07 18:27:00 -
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Mate, please reconsider either using this ship at all, or changing the setup. I'm aiming for one of these myself, but I'm not going to buy it till I can fit t2 blasters on it (I have the t2 tank, drones, and mwd already). With your current setup you will get cut to pieces if you are set upon by a hostile (assuming you go low/null-sec).
In a mission, lose the blasters, go for rails, few rats will be nice enough to orbit at your optimal especially in L4's with BS rats sniping at 50+km away.
Lose the microwarp drive, you can't use it for most missions. If you insist on going for a speed module, an afterburner is the way to go on missions.
The Deimos gets bonuses to thermal and kinetic damage resistance, in a mission, you will only be ahead of the game if the enemy you are against uses those. If they use EM or explosive damage, I think you'd actually be better off in a myrmidon. It gets the same amount of low slots, so 4 active hardeners, 2 med reppers, but the myrm gets a rep bonus, against em or exp damage, a myrm will outlast you deimos.
Missions are all about tank, not gank. Gallente ships are armour tankers, not shield tankers (myrm is arguable though), use that mid for something useful, I don't know, maybe a cap recharger II, would certainly help your tank.
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thisismyalt
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Posted - 2008.07.07 22:45:00 -
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Myrm is armor tanker at heart, You can get a decent passive shield tank out of it as you can any BC/CS, but without shield bonus for serious tank, go armor.
Deimos, T2 rails for missions. T2 drones also Med rep + plate and hardeners. rest, whatever you need to make above fit. and squeeze at least 1 damage mod if possible.
PVP fit I wouldnt know - I like my tempest/broadsword too much.
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goodby4u
Logistic Technologies Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.07.07 23:06:00 -
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Ewww.
Drop the deimos and grab a myrm until you get atleast t2 med turrets.
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Suboran
Gallente Victory Not Vengeance Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.07.07 23:53:00 -
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Originally by: Tolwyn Assim Edited by: Tolwyn Assim on 07/07/2008 16:42:41 Edited by: Tolwyn Assim on 07/07/2008 16:40:20
Modal Neutron x5 med nos
LSE II
Beta PDS
PG rig x2
no just no.
train t2 and fitting skills and then try fitting this ship again
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Vrabac
Zawa's Fan Club
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Posted - 2008.07.08 00:08:00 -
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Originally by: Tolwyn Assim while using the armor for more serious tanking.
Care to meet my omen to demonstrate how serious your tank is?
Seriously tough, a medium repairer on its own isnt tank, its waste of grid and cap.
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Caffeine Junkie
2 Guys In Motherships
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Posted - 2008.07.08 00:44:00 -
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5x Neutron IIs MWD, Scram, Web DCU II
Whatever combination of plates + resists fits and gives you the most HP. Deimos is about DPS, go for firepower always, you won't be primary in a big fight, so get in close on enemy support and take them out, makes insanely short work of recons.
Nothing special, not big or clever, just 20 fighters and one hell of a tank.... |
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Shad0w Hawk
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.08 01:22:00 -
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I don't see what people are screaming omgwtf about.. the dps difference between modal neutrons and t2 isn't so huge that you can't shitmix a fit using modal neutrons while the t2 training finishes...
Deimoses are only like 85m, who cares about them...
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Caffeine Junkie
2 Guys In Motherships
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Posted - 2008.07.08 01:31:00 -
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Originally by: Shad0w Hawk I don't see what people are screaming omgwtf about.. the dps difference between modal neutrons and t2 isn't so huge that you can't shitmix a fit using modal neutrons while the t2 training finishes...
Deimoses are only like 85m, who cares about them...
I think it might have been the LSE II that set everyone off....
Nothing special, not big or clever, just 20 fighters and one hell of a tank.... |
Stuart Price
Caldari The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2008.07.08 01:42:00 -
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Edited by: Stuart Price on 08/07/2008 01:44:46 Edited by: Stuart Price on 08/07/2008 01:44:17 Edited by: Stuart Price on 08/07/2008 01:42:49 Luckily, I found that for a Deimos, my ratting setup is scarily close to my pvp setup (Given that I rat Serpentis) and is thusly:
5 x Heavy Neutron Blaster II (Faction AM or Null) 1 x Small Nos
1 x 10mn MWD II 1 x Warp Disruptor II (pvp) OR Cap Recharger II (ratting) 1 x 'Fleeting' Web
3 x Magstab II 1 x DC II 1 x EANM 1 x 800mm RT Plate (pvp) OR Med Armour Rep II (ratting - although this can be for pvp as well)
1 x Ancillary Current Router (So the Neutrons will fit) 1 x Anti-Explosive Pump (Or CCC if it's purely for ratting)
5 x Hammerhead II OR Vespa EC-600
With my skills it does 714dps using navy antimatter and Hammerhead II's. Non-battleship rats die in almost exactly the time it takes to shoot them an angry look and bs rats die really, really quick without being able to hit you in close orbit. The repper runs for long enough given you shouldn't be taking enough damage to have to permarun it. In fact, I rarely have to use it at all for ratting since the sad puppies are usually dead before even the shields fail.
If you're in a group, you shouldn't get aggro so your tank only needs to be an "OMG WARPING OUT NOW" tank. In pvp your damage is your tank. This ship is pretty much all about the damage.
In pvp, it's a proper man's ship. Charge towards the target screaming at the top of your voice (hint: this is really funny on vent, regardless of what your FC might tell you) and turn the MWD off and everything else on when you get close enough. Continue screaming until you see an explosion.
Then you either scoop loot or go buy another Deimos. Something always dies when a Deimos engages: there are no draws in the world of blaster ships! "I got soul but I'm not a soldier" |
Caffeine Junkie
2 Guys In Motherships
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Posted - 2008.07.08 01:49:00 -
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Edited by: Caffeine Junkie on 08/07/2008 01:52:19
Originally by: Stuart Price
5 x Heavy Neutron Blaster II (Faction AM or Null) 1 x Small Nos
1 x 10mn MWD II 1 x Warp Disruptor II (pvp) OR Cap Recharger II (ratting) 1 x 'Fleeting' Web
3 x Magstab II 1 x DC II 1 x EANM 1 x 800mm RT Plate (pvp) OR Med Armour Rep II (ratting - although this can be for pvp as well)
1 x Ancillary Current Router (So the Neutrons will fit) 1 x Anti-Explosive Pump (Or CCC if it's purely for ratting)
5 x Hammerhead II OR Vespa EC-600
Pretty much spot on imho, although I would consider dropping the third mag-stab for something else like a second EANM, just because of stacking.
Originally by: Stuart Price
In pvp, it's a proper man's ship. Charge towards the target screaming at the top of your voice (hint: this is really funny on vent, regardless of what your FC might tell you) and turn the MWD off and everything else on when you get close enough. Continue screaming until you see an explosion.
Then you either scoop loot or go buy another Deimos. Something always dies when a Deimos engages: there are no draws in the world of blaster ships!
Absolutely, its the neutron-thron's little brother, the last word in the killed or be killed concept (or rather kill before you are killed).
Just don't get jammed.
Nothing special, not big or clever, just 20 fighters and one hell of a tank.... |
Stuart Price
Caldari The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2008.07.08 01:55:00 -
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Yup, I have considered that. The second EANM gives you an extra 4000 effective hit points for the loss of 65dps.
Suicidal bastard that I am, I like that extra 65dps!
Ultimately though, it's purely preference. Both are viable choices. "I got soul but I'm not a soldier" |
Khorian
Gallente Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2008.07.08 04:47:00 -
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Edited by: Khorian on 08/07/2008 04:48:37 I use a Deimos for ratting.
5x Neutron II (1x Proto Cloak) If you want to play it safe ;)
10mn MWD II 2x Cap Recharger II
2x MFS II 1x Armor Hardener II 1x Armor Hardener II 1x EANM II or DCU II 1x MAR II
1x ACR I 1x CCC I
5x Medium Drones II
Perma-run Armor Tank. Against BS keep transversal up, but generally it tears through NPCs quite fast. AWU5 required, HaC5 helps ---
My EvE Story Blog
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XwRExile
Minmatar The Order of Chivalry Nex Eternus
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Posted - 2008.07.08 06:13:00 -
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Get an Ishtar they own for PVP Ratting and Missions
Drake is overpowered Nerf it
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Riho
Gallente Mercenary Forces
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Posted - 2008.07.08 07:55:00 -
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Originally by: Tolwyn Assim
Highs: Modal Neutron x5 Med Nos
Meds: Yt Overcharged MWD LSE II x5 proto webby
Lows: DCU II MAR II Amarr Navy EANM MFS II x2 Beta PDS
PG rig x2
Hammerhead II x 5
whattaya folks think?
you dont want to know.
1st: train t2 guns 2nd: train t2 guns 3rd: wtf is that LSE doing there.. its useless 4th: fit is horrible
5x neutron t2, 1x whatever (nos, neut... )
mwd, disruptor, web
3x mag stab, and some sort of tank
some rigs ---------------------------------- Fighting for Minmatar o7 Yes... this is my main. Extreme Troll Slayer...
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Dreadmuppet Four
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Posted - 2008.07.08 14:41:00 -
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this works for PVE for me
[Deimos, New Setup 1] Armor Explosive Hardener II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Damage Control II Medium Armor Repairer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
10MN MicroWarpdrive II Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 25 Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M Salvager I
[empty rig slot] [empty rig slot]
Hammerhead II x5
no rigs so cheap in comparison to neutron setup and only 27 less DPS with normal antimatter. Can use a cloak if you like
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Taco Raptorian
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Posted - 2008.07.09 06:46:00 -
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Originally by: Dreadmuppet Four this works for PVE for me
[Deimos, New Setup 1] Armor Explosive Hardener II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Damage Control II Medium Armor Repairer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
10MN MicroWarpdrive II Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 25 Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M Salvager I
[empty rig slot] [empty rig slot]
Hammerhead II x5
no rigs so cheap in comparison to neutron setup and only 27 less DPS with normal antimatter. Can use a cloak if you like
Oh yes, so cheap! BIG ship with tiny tiny charges ftw.
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Dreadmuppet Four
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Posted - 2008.07.09 09:53:00 -
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Originally by: Taco Raptorian
Originally by: Dreadmuppet Four this works for PVE for me
[Deimos, New Setup 1] Armor Explosive Hardener II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Damage Control II Medium Armor Repairer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
10MN MicroWarpdrive II Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 25 Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M Salvager I
[empty rig slot] [empty rig slot]
Hammerhead II x5
no rigs so cheap in comparison to neutron setup and only 27 less DPS with normal antimatter. Can use a cloak if you like
Oh yes, so cheap! BIG ship with tiny tiny charges ftw.
doh, should have been 400s ;-P It's not all that expensive and it rats really rather well
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Crellion
Art of War
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Posted - 2008.07.09 10:28:00 -
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Dear OP,
Forgive the irony of some posters. That LSEII shocked some people into angry action.
MISTAKES: No LSEII on a Deimos. For missions your reason for fititng it is silly. Either you get hit all the time or not at all. There is no initial burst of incoming DPS that stops as soon as you orbit the primary. Generally in PVE LSE is a bad idea because you can fit either a cap recharger II or a med injector there to buff your armour tank.
NON-MISTAKES: The Modal neutrons are fine. 8% less dps is no biggie and the Deimos can use the less cap use bonus from them compared to tech IIs. You dont use mull in pve anyway. So ignore those yelling there. Regarding your dps being lacking that could be that your skills lack. A Deimos with 5 Modal neutrons and 2 damage mods does with drones more DPS than a cruise Raven with 3 BCU... so I cant see why your friends complain unless your skills re woeful.
THOUGHTS: I think you are trying to do everything at once. It wont work. For pve you shopuld eeither fit rails (if solo) or use another ship. If in a group doing lvl4s then let whoever take the aggro and you fit neutrons with ab web injector/painter (for the group) and 3x mfs II marII dcuII eanmII (unless if angels) and just pick off BSs on your own. For pvp you need to either fit web scram mwd and go for small stuff (up to HACs and then not the toughest of those) or fit scram injector mwd and go for BSs.
Anyway... you need to think things through more. Arguably my opinions represent to an extent the opinions of my alliance and in particular circumstances give rise to a valid "casus belli" claim. |
Boz Well
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Posted - 2008.07.09 10:56:00 -
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Quote: A Deimos with 5 Modal neutrons and 2 damage mods does with drones more DPS than a cruise Raven with 3 BCU... so I cant see why your friends complain unless your skills re woeful.
You can't? I can. Just because EFT spits out a number doesn't mean it will do that in practice, heh. Even if he's fighting enemies that are susceptible to kin/them, blasters aren't great for missions because of their range, coupled with the inability to use a MWD in missions. A Raven will deal its damage at pretty much any range it can target (please, no one post a mission with sensor boosters to prove me wrong ), and it can change its damage type. I wouldn't even use large blasters in missions, much less mediums.
All in all though, this ship, like most/all HAC's, isn't a good choice for missions, especially with that setup.
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