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Miss KillSome Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.07.10 20:10:00 - [1] Hi Here is my setup: [Megathron Navy Issue] 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Damage Control II Gallente Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer Amarr Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Amarr Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Corpii C-Type Adaptive Nano Plating Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 25 Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Faint Warp Prohibitor I Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I Ogre II x5 With slaves I get 65k of armor, 293k of EHP, 80/73/73/64 resists, 1046dps with drones. Question: Is it worth investing 140mil into Coreli A-Type Adaptive Nano Plating, which gives me for 1% more on all resists and 304k EHP? I know, if I have iskies, just go for it, but lets say I dont have alot of iskies..
Crackzilla The Shadow Order	Posted - 2008.07.10 20:19:00 - [2] No. Anything that can kill 293k of EHP can likely kill 304k of EHP. Maybe this is worth adding on a cap. But a battleship for pvp?
Captator Universal Securities	Posted - 2008.07.10 20:19:00 - [3] Needs an MWD if this is a pvp fit
Angus Torg Vortex Time Travellers Elite	Posted - 2008.07.10 20:24:00 - [4] Not sure if I would call this a gun heavy slag or a sitting duck. But I agree with the other guys here. No, it's not worth the extra 140M and yes, get an MWD. And please get more damage mods. Can we get EVE back? Please.
Miss KillSome Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.07.10 20:52:00 - [5] Yes, its PvP but only for station hugging in empire wars:D So MWD is not needed for now. I've used it alot of times and always came out on top or had to dock coz of blobage. In no case MWD would save me from docking too early, opposite, i would have even had problems with winning multiple times coz of less cap and downgrade in guns. So, u guys think its a no no? Hmm..That argument of chewing through both EHPs really hit me hard..
Captator Universal Securities	Posted - 2008.07.10 21:00:00 - [6] I agree with Crackzilla, if the upgrade to the a-type gave you 20+k more EHP then it might be worth considering, but at that price, the gain is far too small.
ArmyOfMe hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.07.11 00:30:00 - [7] to many eans and to few damage mods
Liang Nuren Perkone	Posted - 2008.07.11 00:38:00 - [8] Originally by: ArmyOfMe to many eans and to few damage mods This. :) -Liang -- The Universe has a really good firewall. Why else do you think nobody has hacked the Universe yet?
Atsuko Ratu Caldari VSP Corp.	Posted - 2008.07.11 00:49:00 - [9] Atsuko's PvP Philosophy: If you aren't using 3 damage mods, you aren't doing it right. Also, not worth the 140m. My favorite part was the skill remark. That made my day
dolmant	Posted - 2008.07.11 00:51:00 - [10] you might want to rethink your lows, you might be able to get a better tank... im not sure how it works with eanm though. The answer is no, however i think trimark II's are fairly cheap, look at how much extra ehp that would give you and see if you can find one on contracts
Miss KillSome Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.07.11 09:58:00 - [11] t2 rigs are still to expensive for my pocket. I ussualy have a friend with me, so dps is not a problem, I just need to tank as long as I can. I tried using only two eanms and fitting additional gallente MFS but dps increase is only 100 dps, and I loose like 30k of EHP..
Crellion Art of War	Posted - 2008.07.11 10:19:00 - [12] Originally by: Miss KillSome t2 rigs are still to expensive for my pocket. I ussualy have a friend with me, so dps is not a problem, I just need to tank as long as I can. I tried using only two eanms and fitting additional gallente MFS but dps increase is only 100 dps, and I loose like 30k of EHP.. 100 dps only sounds wrong see if you can confirm the numbers (assuming you are comparing 1 mfs to 2 mfs) Arguably my opinions represent to an extent the opinions of my alliance and in particular circumstances give rise to a valid "casus belli" claim.
Miss KillSome Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.07.11 10:25:00 - [13] yeah, it was 149 more dps..
The Djego Minmatar merovinger inc	Posted - 2008.07.11 11:21:00 - [14] Edited by: The Djego on 11/07/2008 11:24:22 Actualy the C Type is about 19.5 while the A is aobut 23.5. But because of stacking it looses some edge. So in this case because of Stacking, not realy, unless you go roll over the full fitting to a bit more Faction/Officer in general. Get a T2 Trimark for the ISK, 5% unstacked more EHP. And yeah Station hugging in Empire isn¦t the way a Navy Mega should be used. ---- Nerf Tank - Boost Gank! Originally by: Amantus Real men don't need to get into blaster range.
eXtas Atomic Battle Penguins	Posted - 2008.07.11 11:28:00 - [15] Originally by: The Djego Edited by: The Djego on 11/07/2008 11:25:49 Edited by: The Djego on 11/07/2008 11:24:22 Actualy the C Type is about 19.5 while the A is aobut 23.5. But because of stacking it looses some edge. So in this case because of Stacking, not realy, unless you go roll over the full fitting to a bit more Faction/Officer in general. Get a T2 Trimark for the ISK, 5% unstacked more EHP. And yeah Station hugging in Empire isn¦t the way a Navy Mega should be used. Noob Corpers shouldn¦t do this mutch empirewar at all. why not use it for stationhugging? its absolutly the best ship in game for it! but use atleast 2 MFS, that 150 dps more will help breaking tanks a lot faster! so gives enemys less time to get blob in :) --------
The Djego Minmatar merovinger inc	Posted - 2008.07.11 11:36:00 - [16] Originally by: eXtas why not use it for stationhugging? its absolutly the best ship in game for it! but use atleast 2 MFS, that 150 dps more will help breaking tanks a lot faster! so gives enemys less time to get blob in :) Abaddon is a bit more flexible with the Range, also a very good ship for the job. Its more about I dislike a treatment of a fantastic ship like the Navy Mega for someting as booring as station hugging in Empire Wars. Also you are right 2-3 Damagemods often more helpfull to break ships before they redock. ---- Nerf Tank - Boost Gank! Originally by: Amantus Real men don't need to get into blaster range.
Jallem Sims Minmatar Quantum Warriors	Posted - 2008.07.11 16:14:00 - [17] somehow i don't get the impression he actually does this... seems more of a eft bhore than a station hugging warrior of doom bhore. Lets face it, any competent pvp'er will enjoy the challenge of bumping him of the station. and if he does it regularly enough they bring along a typhoon and bb for the bumping fun. Oh, you have agression timer... oh your how far off the station... oh, you and your buddy can't target anything.!! by the very nature that your not sure which you should use, i'd say.. NO, go home and get back in your raven of doom!
Mozohl Amarr 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.07.11 20:11:00 - [18] Dear OP, I hope what the above poster said happens to you, or that you get concordokken right in front of your beloved station.
Miss KillSome Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.07.12 07:15:00 - [19] Why?
masternerdguy	Posted - 2008.07.12 07:34:00 - [20] PVP doesnt NEED a mwd. Just get a tackler lackie. Heres my idea..... Each faction gets a new battlecruiser They are Survivor class. They are extremely effective tanks, can be used for baiting, tanking 0.0 complexes, etc. But they have a price. Here are the pros (per level of Survivors skill): +50% bonus to shield (or armor) amount 50% reduction in shield recharge time (for caldari passive t2 drake) 50% reduction in repair module capacitor need (for armor reppers) 50% bonus to shield boost amount (for active shield tanks) But as with all this gain comes some hard hitting cons. -75% to turret tracking -75% to missile launcher rate of fire +75% to reload time of modules +75% to turret rate of fire. Basically this ship is a solid tank, but a poor poor hitter.
Derek Sigres	Posted - 2008.07.12 09:40:00 - [21] Originally by: masternerdguy PVP doesnt NEED a mwd. Just get a tackler lackie. While this point is entirely accurate, it's also almost entirely untrue (it's a PARADOX!) For a pvp ship all you REALLY need is a single module on your ship that has some offensive functionality. But there IS a reason why 99.9% of ships intending to be used in combat with other players have a MWD. The first reason people bring up is "getting out of bubbles" - and I have to be honest with this one - it's generally a load. In a battleship if you run through a gatecamp a MWD increases your odds of survival from 0% to maybe 1 or 2% - better than nothing certainly but in the end it's not going to help. If you're in a gang the entire equation shifts because with more targets the 15 seconds it takes to burn to the gate (give or take) with a MWD can mean a dramatic improvement in survival over the 1 minute plus trying to slowboat it there. The real reason you need a MWD is to control, or at least contest the control of the battlespace. Given that most PVP takes place with naturally enforced distances (24km is the average max engagement range given this is the max average sustainable point range for most of us, 10 - 13 km is the no fly zone for ships relying on speed and so on), the ability to quickly shift from one zone to another can be the difference between victory and defeat. I think Eve PVP can be fairly handily be broken down into a few key considerations: distance, spank, tank and preparation. Without the MWD you are going to harm your capacity to effectively do any of these things in many circumstances.
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2008.07.12 09:47:00 - [22] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 12/07/2008 09:49:10 Yay, blaster faction mega without a MWD... This is one ship the Tempest could actually manage to kill I think. --- Its dead, Jim.
Kehmor Caldari PAK	Posted - 2008.07.12 10:01:00 - [23] lose both the corpi c-type and a 1600mm plate. Add two damage mods. Lose a web, add a mwd. - Violence isn't the answer, it is the question. The answer is yes.

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