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HairClubForMen
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Posted - 2008.07.11 07:52:00 -
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If a Corp signs up with one of the factions, then it becomes enemies with the opposing factions, yet if a corp or alliance war dec that corp, the faction does nothing...
1) Either you shouldn't be able to war dec these corps (and its not protection from war decs since they are at war with the other two factions)
2) War dec'ing militia corps should make you a valid target for the entirety of the militia they belong to.
Without such changes, the faction warfare suffers greatly. Griefer corps and alliances (i.e. Star Fraction) have chosen to use this loophole for easy kills, picking off war targets in the middle of a faction fleet without the ability for the victim's fleet to help.
It has also been shown that said griefer corps are fighting along side the militia, without risk to themselves, offsetting any balance that the faction wars had.
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Cyclone Dan
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Posted - 2008.07.11 08:33:00 -
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Word.
This whole mechanic doesn't make one bit of sense.
Our training corp got war dec'd (they are caldari militia) and it really sucks.
We wanted them to try pew pew to get used to it-- now they spend half their time dealing with the star fraction *****s and not getting used to anyting close to fleet warfare.
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ThaDollaGenerale
Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Militia
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Posted - 2008.07.11 09:18:00 -
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It's even more exciting when one corp decs another and they're both in the same militia. Yay
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Dihania
Gallente
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2008.07.11 09:25:00 -
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 Originally by: ThaDollaGenerale
It's even more exciting when one corp decs another and they're both in the same militia. Yay
That is ok. Think about it: two corps can have good reasons to fight each other, baing in the same militia has no thing to do with it.
For example one corp fights the other militia and than the other corp loots and salvages the wreaks. Sure first corp got the kills but than it did not get the spoils. So they talk about and it comes to no thing. Than they war each other to solve the problem.
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Slacker Industries
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Posted - 2008.07.11 09:27:00 -
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Why wouldnt it make sense .If you dont like a corp or ppl you wardec them .
Also if you in fw you want to pvp no? war is pvp .
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Ki An
Gallente
Filiolus Of Bellum
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Posted - 2008.07.11 09:33:00 -
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Why can't the rest of the militia fight back? Isn't FW supposed to take place in low sec?
Filiolus of Bellum is recruiting
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Deathifier
Minmatar
Carebears Must Die Ltd.
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Posted - 2008.07.11 10:25:00 -
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Originally by: Ki An
Why can't the rest of the militia fight back? Isn't FW supposed to take place in low sec?
Most of the FW participants are carebears who would have a nervous breakdown if they harmed their 5.0 sec status 
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Eclipse Ryne
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Posted - 2008.07.11 10:55:00 -
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Hmmm...
Yeah I seriously think if your corp is part of the militia you shouldn't be able to get wardeced or there should be EXTREME costs for the person wardecing you...
Cause as always the people of eve will use the system to abuse the system.....
Thats one thing that makes this game uber lame.. people can do shit like that with no worries of out of game punishment.. cause well if the game system allows for it then do it!
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Catelco
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.07.11 11:00:00 -
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When talking about wardecs, militia should behave as an Alliance. IMHO
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Ki An
Gallente
Filiolus Of Bellum
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Posted - 2008.07.11 11:02:00 -
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Originally by: Eclipse Ryne
Thats one thing that makes this game uber!
FYP
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Sorted
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2008.07.11 11:02:00 -
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We SHOULD be able to war dec the whole milita. One war dec, one whole milita effected.
and the NPC corps too for that matter.
(players should be moved to a war dec'able NPC corp 30 days after creation imo)
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Inertial
The Python Cartel
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Posted - 2008.07.11 11:05:00 -
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Originally by: Catelco
When talking about wardecs, militia should behave as an Alliance. IMHO
ZOMG! YES PLX!
I would rat my damn sec status up and wardec 1 Gallente, 1 Caldari and 1 Minmatar/Amarr corp. Then I would be at war with most militias, and have thousands of targets in high-sec!
we are recruiting!
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Ki An
Gallente
Filiolus Of Bellum
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Posted - 2008.07.11 11:06:00 -
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Originally by: Sorted
We SHOULD be able to war dec the whole milita. One war dec, one whole milita effected.
and the NPC corps too for that matter.
(players should be moved to a war dec'able NPC corp 30 days after creation imo)
Also, anyone leaving the militia during the dec should have the dec follow them for the remainder of the period. Just like an alliance.
Filiolus of Bellum is recruiting
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Basha Rylshald
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Posted - 2008.07.11 12:19:00 -
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Edited by: Basha Rylshald on 11/07/2008 12:24:04
Militias aren't Alliances. It was designed to be a completely different mechanic than Alliances.
You can even war dec people in your militia. IT'S NOT A F'N ALLIANCE!
Fact of the matter is, you're wanting the game to change to suit your needs. You want to participate in FW, but want to be left out of any other possible wars. You want your little training nubbins to "try" something, without additional risk to themselves.
This game isn't about handholding you or your nubs. Get over yourself.
If you don't like the fact that your training corp got war dec, and they need protection, then war dec the people decing them. Or see if some of your militia friends want to dec them as well.
Also, as stated above, FW takes place mostly in low sec. There's no reason you can't attack anyone other than the fact that you don't want your sec status to change or take sentry fire, however, that's part of the game. You either protect your m8s and take the consequences, or you let them be. Don't whine on the damn forums because of your choices.
You and everyone like you is pathetic. You all think the game should suit your needs and there should be places for you to help people and protect them without doing any work. F'n narcissists, the lot of you.
If you can't play the game and you feel you must cry your whiney little heart out on the forum like a child, then why don't you take your ideas of changing the game to the FEATURES AND IDEAS section where these things should go.
Imo, you should just do us all a favor and just quit the game.
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2008.07.11 12:33:00 -
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Originally by: Cyclone Dan
Word.
This whole mechanic doesn't make one bit of sense.
Our training corp got war dec'd (they are caldari militia) and it really sucks.
We wanted them to try pew pew to get used to it-- now they spend half their time dealing with the star fraction *****s and not getting used to anyting close to fleet warfare.
Ahh didums - they signed up for a war and now people are shooting at them
SKUNK
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Slave 775
Privateers
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Posted - 2008.07.11 14:49:00 -
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Edited by: Slave 775 on 11/07/2008 14:51:41
Originally by: Basha Rylshald
You and everyone like you is pathetic. You all think the game should suit your needs and there should be places for you to help people and protect them without doing any work. F'n narcissists, the lot of you.
Imo, you should just do us all a favor and quit the game.
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Woran Danlath
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Posted - 2008.07.11 14:54:00 -
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Edited by: Woran Danlath on 11/07/2008 14:55:38
Originally by: Basha Rylshald
This game isn't about handholding you or your nubs. Get over yourself.
This, you are allready in a war. What difference will one more war make?
Edit- Damn work PC stuck me on an alt 
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Traidor Disloyal
NightCrew
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Posted - 2008.07.11 15:02:00 -
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Learn to defend yourself instead of coming to the forums and crying your little heart out.
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Kell Braugh
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Posted - 2008.07.11 21:39:00 -
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I dunno, I see this less as a carebear whine than most I guess.
Especially if you goal is to get people to leave the protection of the npc corps (as I believe the game and its makers intend) and get their feet wet in pvp if you will. The OP does bring up a valid point that a corp fights for a militia, but the militia doesn't defend the corp. In that sense, its not a militia. Its the factions hiring mercs-- without pay.
FW has major drawbacks that are not seen anywhere else at the corp or alliance level, not the least is the fact that by choosing one side, you effectively block yourself from operating in the other half of empire space (due to the navies attacking you, etc.).
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Ki An
Gallente
Filiolus Of Bellum
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Posted - 2008.07.11 21:43:00 -
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Originally by: Kell Braugh
FW has major drawbacks that are not seen anywhere else at the corp or alliance level, not the least is the fact that by choosing one side, you effectively block yourself from operating in the other half of empire space (due to the navies attacking you, etc.).
Unless you count pirates of course. But who's counting them, amirite?
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MirrorGod
Heretic Militia
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Posted - 2008.07.11 22:56:00 -
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Edited by: MirrorGod on 11/07/2008 22:57:29
Originally by: Deathifier
Originally by: Ki An
Why can't the rest of the militia fight back? Isn't FW supposed to take place in low sec?
Most of the FW participants are carebears who would have a nervous breakdown if they harmed their 5.0 sec status
Lol tell that to one of my gangs.
Me (FC'in)
MirrorGod: Neutral Nighthawk at plex gate, go for it
MirrorGod: HEY Damnit, wait for me, I'm in warp, maybe we could ransom it?
Fleet: F U WE WANT KILLMAIL!
MirrorGod: Aight don't hit the pod if you don't want the sec...
Fleet: Pod's already dead
MirrorGod:  Stop killin shit so fast
Fleet:
Yeah...
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Firkragg
Blue Labs
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.11 23:08:00 -
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Originally by: Woran Danlath
Edited by: Woran Danlath on 11/07/2008 14:55:38
Originally by: Basha Rylshald
This game isn't about handholding you or your nubs. Get over yourself.
This, you are allready in a war. What difference will one more war make?
Edit- Damn work PC stuck me on an alt
Because in faction warefare they get to hide behind the navy in their highsec space.
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Market AltLOLOLOLO
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Posted - 2008.07.11 23:34:00 -
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Wardec against milita corp should be allowed if you can wardec individual corps in a alliance.
If the milita cannot defend its corps, why should the alliance?
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2008.07.11 23:36:00 -
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Originally by: Deathifier
Most of the FW participants are carebears who would have a nervous breakdown if they harmed their 5.0 sec status
Uh... yeah, you keep thinking that if you want.
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2Bad4Ux2
Heretic Militia
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Posted - 2008.07.11 23:46:00 -
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1) stop crying and toughen up..if your scared to fight you shouldn't be in the militia anyways as it takes place in low sec
2) Stop being so carebear that you can't handle any fights on your own or...get out of low sec
3) Once again toughen up..you want a whole blob of 500+ online militia to be open war targets to a single corp? grow a set
4) Stop being a carebear and start being smart.. get some not so legit buddies to come assist you after said corp attacks you.
5) hire mercs.
So tell your main to choose 1 of the options listed above, and note that there is no option for further whining on the forums because a small corp decced you and all your big faction fleets don't want to lose .5 sec status, or remote rep your ships.
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soldieroffortune 258
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Posted - 2008.07.12 03:22:00 -
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oi, well i do agree that there should be a penalty for war deccing a militia corp, its kinda unfair, its not enough that they have 10,000 enemies already (like 7000 caldari and 3000 amarr, and around 5000 gallente and minmatar) but then they have another corp to deal with, and one that can attack them in high sec at that, they need to bring that feature back, where if you join a fleet w/ someone who is at war w/ someone YOU also become a war target, that would really help tbh, then if that person is roaming w/ a fleet, that war target would think twice about attacking them
and someone said earlier that "most FW participants are carebears that would have a nervous breakdown if they hurt their 5.0 sec status" i lol at that, because that is simply not the case my friend, i was in the first battle at old man star (150 man fleet, jumped into OMS and destroyed the caldari fleet) and a swarm of neutral vultures warped in and started flipping the wrecks, and stealing from them, lol PLENTY of people in the fleet had NO problem popping those neutrals, in fact there were a few people that were attacking EVERY neutral they saw, if you werent in the gallente/minmatar militia, you were a target, so yeah . . . . lol
however, not to be the bearer of bad news, but there is a way you can avoid the griefer corps/ people who war dec your corp thats in the militia, probably a reason that CCP already has, and that is, you can simply join the militia solo, by yourself, and since your in an NPC corp, no worries about getting griefed and war decced
i am also not w/ the people that say after 30 days you should be forced into a war decceble corp, that is wrong tbh, you know how many people would STOP siging up for EVE because after a month they are meat on the table for the *******s who WOULD war dec a noob corp, just to **** them off, and dont even say "adapt or die" because they will have no way to adapt, if EVERYONE was in a war deccable corp and war decced by much more experienced players who would camp them, just for the laughs, how are they going to grow? they get a their first destroyer, or first shiny new cruiser, go run a mission, and either get popped before warping to the mission or scanned down and popped while doing the mission, so uh yeah, thats completely unfair, would be like being in the middle of an alliances territory, 20 jumps at LEAST to get out of it, and them war deccing you, that would be a crappy life for you wouldnt it? this happening to you would be the equivelant of what you are proposing
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Sin Fae
Income Redistribution Service
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Posted - 2008.07.12 04:26:00 -
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If you don't want to be war dec'd leave your corp and join a NPC corp.
"Suicide Gank Someone Day"(prizes)
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Faife
Minmatar
Kinda'Shujaa
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Posted - 2008.07.12 07:52:00 -
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man, there's some corps out there who would LOVE to be able to war deck entire militias. 7000 targets in caldari high sec for one low low price? god.
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Market AltLOLOLOLO
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Posted - 2008.07.12 09:05:00 -
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Guys
I want the ability to wardec individual corps in a alliance. Otherwise every anti-milita exceusse is 100% transferable to alliances
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kublai
Caldari
Art of War
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Posted - 2008.07.12 09:14:00 -
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PROTIP: it makes sense for the people looting the wrecks and savouring sweet sweet tears.
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