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Phil Exon	Posted - 2008.07.11 16:54:00 - [1] Yesterday we were engaging in some delightful Faction Warfare when a lag-bomb dropped on us. Once 60 on 60 fight begun the whole game froze for all people in the fleet with 1 minute interval refreshes. Though this is nothing new, I don't think this is how the game is meant to be played. Please fix this crap already, that fight could've been the funnest thing in days yet turned out to be lamest thing next to mining. Whatever CCP has been doing over the last year hasn't fixed lag in any manner so I'd suggest to start afresh with some delightful brainstorming. I'm not a server architect but I'd probably look towards some system where processing capacity is logically transferred to the areas where most people reside. There have to be some benchmarks on pvp fleet action you can pull to get you started and then assing the necessary resources to that. Anyways, whatever you do, please fix laaaaaaaaaag, it ruins your otherwise awesome game. Ohh and no you can't have my stuff :) PS While at it also fix the forum login problem
Arvald Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.07.11 16:55:00 - [2] Edited by: Arvald on 11/07/2008 16:55:40 didnt bother reading the whole thing because ive seen it before, ccp cant fix the whole internet, get a better computer and isp or shut the hell up Originally by: Siddy APERANTLY GEED PEE VEE PEE PLAYAS!!111 im in your forums, derailing your threads
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2008.07.11 16:56:00 - [3] 'Fix' network latency and computational difficulty? On their list I'm sure. - DesuSigs
Kirex Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2008.07.11 16:56:00 - [4] /not signed. I LOVE LAG.
Tarminic 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.07.11 16:59:00 - [5] They're working on lag in three primary ways: 1. The IBM Supercomputer - CCP is developing a large supercomputer in a partnership with IBM to complement or replace the network of Blade servers they currently use 2. Infiniband - Infiniband will hopefully allow data to be dynamically balanced across different nodes. Currently one system can only be handled by one node, which goes to hell very quickly when lots of people start shooting at each other. 3. The "Need for Speed" Initiative - Ongoing code optimizations and rewrites to make client/server processing more efficient Unfortunately, nothing we can do about it at the moment except suck it up. ---------------- Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.83 (Updated 7/3)
Apoctasy The Python Cartel	Posted - 2008.07.11 17:06:00 - [6] CCP FIX LAG NOW CUZ I R LOST MY SHIP TO UR INCOOMPEEETENCE OP, its not like ccp isn't trying to fix it. It simply isn't as easy as you think. ----
Phil Exon	Posted - 2008.07.11 17:18:00 - [7] Originally by: Arvald Edited by: Arvald on 11/07/2008 16:55:40 didnt bother reading the whole thing because ive seen it before, ccp cant fix the whole internet, get a better computer and isp or shut the hell up Dear numbnuts, My ISP and PC rock. Read the thread before replying. I just felt like reminding CCP to prioritize their efforts on this problem. We've been living with it for years so maybe its time to do something about it. The person who replied with Infiniband idea is obviously smarter than you and I appreciate the info. When will we see it?
Xonkra Gallente	Posted - 2008.07.11 17:30:00 - [8] Originally by: Arvald Edited by: Arvald on 11/07/2008 16:55:40 didnt bother reading the whole thing because ive seen it before, ccp cant fix the whole internet, get a better computer and isp or shut the hell up /hug --------- Founder of the Hug-a-troll initiative Hug a forum troll because they can probably use it !
Slanty McGarglefist	Posted - 2008.07.11 17:31:00 - [9] Edited by: Slanty McGarglefist on 11/07/2008 17:31:05 Originally by: Kirex /not signed. I LOVE LAG. /hug __________________________________________________ Originally by: CCP Wrangler No Doh!
Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2008.07.11 17:42:00 - [10] Without lag and desync we'd not have the classic fleet comment 'where am I?' anymore, that was sweet. These forums are FUBAR, upgrade this decade!
Plumpy McPudding	Posted - 2008.07.11 17:42:00 - [11] Fix my butt. __________________________ Fear me for I have an insatiable appetite! Proprietor and inventor of Chocolate Chip Chocolate Donut flavored Ice Cream.
Alexandros Balfros Caldari Pax Britannia Rally Against Evil	Posted - 2008.07.11 17:45:00 - [12] What nobody said it..... Get the **** out of JITA RALLY Against Evil
Xonkra Gallente	Posted - 2008.07.11 17:47:00 - [13] Originally by: Plumpy McPudding Fix my butt. /hug --------- Founder of the Hug-a-troll initiative Hug a forum troll because they can probably use it !
Plumpy McPudding	Posted - 2008.07.11 17:48:00 - [14] Originally by: Xonkra Originally by: Plumpy McPudding Fix my butt. /hug What? No, I'm serious! My butt's broken! HELP! __________________________ Fear me for I have an insatiable appetite! Proprietor and inventor of Chocolate Chip Chocolate Donut flavored Ice Cream.
Demonic Sentiment Caldari Dissonance Corp	Posted - 2008.07.11 17:59:00 - [15] might at ask were this fight was.... nagamanen by a chance? http://gallente.net?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=45015
Pan Crastus Anti-Metagaming League	Posted - 2008.07.11 18:10:00 - [16] Originally by: Tarminic They're working on lag in three primary ways: 1. The IBM Supercomputer - CCP is developing a large supercomputer in a partnership with IBM to complement or replace the network of Blade servers they currently use 2. Infiniband - Infiniband will hopefully allow data to be dynamically balanced across different nodes. Currently one system can only be handled by one node, which goes to hell very quickly when lots of people start shooting at each other. 3. The "Need for Speed" Initiative - Ongoing code optimizations and rewrites to make client/server processing more efficient Unfortunately, nothing we can do about it at the moment except suck it up. I'm working on a 2000 mile range electric car and the cure for AIDS and cancer btw. ... But it'll take a while. Stay tuned and feel free to sponsor me. How to PVP: 1. buy ISK with GTCs, 2. fit cloak, learn aggro mechanics, 3. buy second account for metagaming
Speaker Dead	Posted - 2008.07.11 18:21:00 - [17] Wow, so many ******ed people, so little time..... The OP is complaining about server and grfx lag, not latency. These are things that CCP should have addressed long ago, and have been a fixture of the game since it was introduced. I've played 64 player games that were nothing but a constant blob fight, with high level grfx, max resolution, with no lag at all. Yet a 60 man fleet engagement is an invitation to a slide show. This is a coding problem, nothing more. And as you flame away, please don't make excuses of how Eve is different...they've had four years to address the problem, and yet it seems as bad now as it ever was.
NL Nataku Manson Family R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.07.11 18:32:00 - [18] Eve has alot of data to process. Switching to a bracketless overview really helps alot if you have not done did yet. I have been in much larger battles then 60vs60 and my pc does slow down and i did have to turn of AA but with over 500+ ships on my screen i was able to pull 30fps. And thats with the massive drone amount excluded since those will be drawn aswell by your pc. A good pc from nowadays can run trinity pretty well however running it on a lower end system will cause problems. Anyway back to the lag issue, agreed that some battles could have really tunrned out a lot much more fun to play without lag. But if you start thinking about what a server must do to make a large fleet battle in eve possible then its pretty understandeble its quite hard to pull it off. I dont think ccp can just fix it like that, they would have done it along time ago if they could. Greetz Nata
Tarminic 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.07.11 18:38:00 - [19] Originally by: Pan Crastus Originally by: Tarminic They're working on lag in three primary ways: 1. The IBM Supercomputer - CCP is developing a large supercomputer in a partnership with IBM to complement or replace the network of Blade servers they currently use 2. Infiniband - Infiniband will hopefully allow data to be dynamically balanced across different nodes. Currently one system can only be handled by one node, which goes to hell very quickly when lots of people start shooting at each other. 3. The "Need for Speed" Initiative - Ongoing code optimizations and rewrites to make client/server processing more efficient Unfortunately, nothing we can do about it at the moment except suck it up. I'm working on a 2000 mile range electric car and the cure for AIDS and cancer btw. ... But it'll take a while. Stay tuned and feel free to sponsor me. Nah, I think I'll just sit around and tell you how you're not doing it fast enough. ---------------- Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.83 (Updated 7/3)
Nexus Kinnon Aliastra	Posted - 2008.07.11 18:41:00 - [20] Originally by: Phil Exon Originally by: Arvald Edited by: Arvald on 11/07/2008 16:55:40 didnt bother reading the whole thing because ive seen it before, ccp cant fix the whole internet, get a better computer and isp or shut the hell up Dear numbnuts, My ISP and PC rock. Read the thread before replying. I just felt like reminding CCP to prioritize their efforts on this problem. We've been living with it for years so maybe its time to do something about it. The person who replied with Infiniband idea is obviously smarter than you and I appreciate the info. When will we see it? Meanwhile, at CCP HQ, Iceland. sysop1: sips coffee sysop1: wasn't there something we were supposed to be doing? sysop2: hmmm browses forums sysop2: THAT'S IT! WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE FIXING LAG! I knew there was something we had totally forgotten about completely and utterly! sysop1: Thank god for Phil Exon.
Krxon Blade	Posted - 2008.07.11 18:57:00 - [21] Edited by: Krxon Blade on 11/07/2008 18:57:42 IMO lag will NEVER be fixed: lag = people whine about lag = CCP adds more/better hardware = marketing lures more subscribers = more ppl online = lag = people whine about lag = CCP adds more/better hardware = marketing lures more subscribers = ... Repeat above as many times as you want. -- Eve battle simulator EVE character creator Eve offline game
Karentaki Gallente The Devils Brigade The Threshold	Posted - 2008.07.11 19:08:00 - [22] I'm so terribly sorry CCP haven't yet managed to develop super-luminal (faster than light) communication yet, or invested their money in dedicated cable connections direct from the server to each and every one of their customers. I am also terribly sorry that CCP have chosen to keep their 100 Terahertz Quantum CPU technology a secret and not use it in their game servers, and that they sent those zombies round to your house to eat your brains... wait.. no... that might have been me actually. Damn... I told them to go and find CCP Mitnal, but they must have mistaken you for him. Oh well, I'll be sure to send you some compensation in the form of high-value ammunition in game However, now you are just reading my signature... Or are you... ========= Sporks FTW
Zinras Caldari Order of draugr	Posted - 2008.07.11 19:09:00 - [23] Originally by: Nexus Kinnon Originally by: Phil Exon Originally by: Arvald Edited by: Arvald on 11/07/2008 16:55:40 didnt bother reading the whole thing because ive seen it before, ccp cant fix the whole internet, get a better computer and isp or shut the hell up Dear numbnuts, My ISP and PC rock. Read the thread before replying. I just felt like reminding CCP to prioritize their efforts on this problem. We've been living with it for years so maybe its time to do something about it. The person who replied with Infiniband idea is obviously smarter than you and I appreciate the info. When will we see it? Meanwhile, at CCP HQ, Iceland. sysop1: sips coffee sysop1: wasn't there something we were supposed to be doing? sysop2: hmmm browses forums sysop2: THAT'S IT! WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE FIXING LAG! I knew there was something we had totally forgotten about completely and utterly! sysop1: Thank god for Phil Exon. Excellent Also, to everyone ***ing: Can I have your stuff? Originally by:** CCP Greyscale moderated - mother abuse - Mitnal CCP's best friend
northwesten Amarr Trinity Corporate Services	Posted - 2008.07.11 19:11:00 - [24] Originally by: Krxon Blade Edited by: Krxon Blade on 11/07/2008 18:57:42 IMO lag will NEVER be fixed: lag = people whine about lag = CCP adds more/better hardware = marketing lures more subscribers = more ppl online = lag = people whine about lag = CCP adds more/better hardware = marketing lures more subscribers = ... Repeat above as many times as you want. then i hope they have plenty of hardware before run out of people joining :) Trinity Corporate Services
K'uata Sayus Minmatar	Posted - 2008.07.11 19:44:00 - [25] Stoppit!! Yer killin' me!! I'm serious (Tears cloud eyes from the effort....) EVERYONE SEEMS NORMAL UNTIL YOU GET TO KNOW THEM.
Caractacus Potts	Posted - 2008.07.11 19:57:00 - [26] Fear not my fellow pilots, the solution has already been elucidated! CCP servers will be upgraded shortly, thanks too in no small part the giving nature of the EVE community! Here is the thread where it all began. Upgrade CCP's servers : Charity Effort The process has begun!
Xps Dana	Posted - 2008.07.11 20:40:00 - [27] Edited by: Xps Dana on 11/07/2008 20:41:10 The squeaky wheel gets the grease. Please keep *****ing about this. [Edit] No sarcasm intended
Terminus adacai Caldari	Posted - 2008.07.11 21:46:00 - [28] Originally by: Krxon Blade Edited by: Krxon Blade on 11/07/2008 18:57:42 IMO lag will NEVER be fixed: lag = people whine about lag = CCP adds more/better hardware = marketing lures more subscribers = more ppl online = lag = people whine about lag = CCP adds more/better hardware = marketing lures more subscribers = ... Repeat above as many times as you want. ^^This Opinions reflected on my posts are just that, my opinions. They do not reflect views held by my corp or alliance.
Riho Gallente Mercenary Forces	Posted - 2008.07.11 22:10:00 - [29] Originally by: Phil Exon Yesterday we were engaging in some delightful Faction Warfare when a lag-bomb dropped on us. Once 60 on 60 fight begun the whole game froze for all people in the fleet with 1 minute interval refreshes. Though this is nothing new, I don't think this is how the game is meant to be played. Please fix this crap already, that fight could've been the funnest thing in days yet turned out to be lamest thing next to mining. Whatever CCP has been doing over the last year hasn't fixed lag in any manner so I'd suggest to start afresh with some delightful brainstorming. I'm not a server architect but I'd probably look towards some system where processing capacity is logically transferred to the areas where most people reside. There have to be some benchmarks on pvp fleet action you can pull to get you started and then assing the necessary resources to that. Anyways, whatever you do, please fix laaaaaaaaaag, it ruins your otherwise awesome game. Ohh and no you can't have my stuff :) PS While at it also fix the forum login problem yeah... CCP needs to fix the INTERNET... and give you a new PC your damn fault u got a shitty PC and crap ISP. whit new bracket system CCP implemented.. i got rid of most fleet fighting lag :) ---------------------------------- Fighting for Minmatar o7 Yes... this is my main. Extreme Troll Slayer...
Pan Crastus Anti-Metagaming League	Posted - 2008.07.11 22:23:00 - [30] Originally by: Krxon Blade Edited by: Krxon Blade on 11/07/2008 18:57:42 IMO lag will NEVER be fixed: lag = people whine about lag = CCP adds more/better hardware = marketing lures more subscribers = more ppl online = lag = people whine about lag = CCP adds more/better hardware = marketing lures more subscribers = ... Repeat above as many times as you want. Only lag is worse than 1 year ago now and the speed of typical servers has about doubled since then. Marketing lures more players even though the hardware isn't being upgraded() and the software is getting worse. () and don't quote the list of supposed hardware upgrades which consists of 8 promises and 2 upgrades that haven't happened yet or so ;-) How to PVP: 1. buy ISK with GTCs, 2. fit cloak, learn aggro mechanics, 3. buy second account for metagaming
Tarminic 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.07.11 22:26:00 - [31] Originally by: Pan Crastus Originally by: Krxon Blade Edited by: Krxon Blade on 11/07/2008 18:57:42 IMO lag will NEVER be fixed: lag = people whine about lag = CCP adds more/better hardware = marketing lures more subscribers = more ppl online = lag = people whine about lag = CCP adds more/better hardware = marketing lures more subscribers = ... Repeat above as many times as you want. Only lag is worse than 1 year ago now and the speed of typical servers has about doubled since then. Marketing lures more players even though the hardware isn't being upgraded() and the software is getting worse. Speed of server processors haven't increased much, server speed has been increasing by adding additional cores. This doesn't help CCP any because only processor can handle a node at once. ---------------- Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.83 (Updated 7/3)*
Chinger Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.07.11 22:35:00 - [32] Hear that ccp? Drop everything, fire half your staff, charge us double, forget adding ANY new content for the next 2 years, this lag needs fixed NOW.
General StarScream The Scope	Posted - 2008.07.11 23:12:00 - [33] I love lag as well. it helps slow the game down to my level Please resize signature to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
flashfreaking LFC Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.07.11 23:15:00 - [34] I'm flying alongside the GBC fleets, so thats over 250 ppl in one system, lag has been non existent... What game do you say you play? Disallowed sig graphic. Send an e-mail to [email protected] when it meets the forum signature guidelines. ~Saint
Loyal Servant Caldari PURE Legion Pure.	Posted - 2008.07.11 23:29:00 - [35] Whole thread is full of people that FAIL. Lag? Yeah it exists. People are lauding CCP for taking out full page ads or whatever the hell people are seeing.. and throwing gobs of cash at advertising. That means they are not throwing cash at fixing the 60 vs 60 fleet engagement that lags to hell and back again. All the cash they get from the isk farmers they let stay in the game should at least be put to some good use.
Khlitouris RegusII	Posted - 2008.07.12 01:06:00 - [36] 'My BLOB went to fight another BLOB oh noes lag cant play fix your crap game ccp' I'm so glad i dont fight blobs with blobs my eve hardly ever lags.

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