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SuiJuris	Posted - 2008.07.13 06:25:00 - [1] I am a pretty low SP character and recently started my cross training from Caldari to Amarr, My gunnery skills are getting decent most of them are at 3-4 but there not quite there yet. My missile skills were fairly well trained before I cross trained but im just not adding very much to the group in my half ass raven so I am planning on trying out this setup. Any Critiques are welcome. Idea is the other guy warps in and ****es everything off, Then I warp in afterwards with this geddon. Lows 3x Heat Sink II 2x Reactor Control II 1x PDU II 2x Cap Power Relay II Mids Drone Tracking Link Target Painter Tracking Comp II+ Tracking Scrip Highs 7x Best named Tachs loaded with Amarr Navy Gamma L's Drones 5x Garde's With my skills this puts out roughly 900 DPS. At all lvl 5 you can put out almost 1100 dps with this setup and lose 1 of the reactor controls for a tracking enhancer. btw we will probably mostly be facing blood raider / sansha's as we do missions for The Amarr Navy.
Boz Well	Posted - 2008.07.13 06:33:00 - [2] Geddon can provide nice support, and I think sentry + beam is the correct path. I used a similar setup for a while, but the lack of tank is very annoying. Without a repper you'll have to refit if you take damage, and you spend a lot of time warping out. If I were you, I'd get an Apoc, fit with beams and a single LAR/3hard/3hs. Less gank, but can tank in a pinch and is an all-around nice ship. That's just personal preference, heh, mostly because I hate having to warp out.
SuiJuris	Posted - 2008.07.13 06:57:00 - [3] Warp outs would be rather annoying. I'll have to see which missions this works for and which it doesn't Im sure for some missions it will be more hassle then actual time spent pew pewing. But for others.... holy gank batman.
Falcon Troy Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.07.13 07:00:00 - [4] Edited by: Falcon Troy on 13/07/2008 07:01:00 Why are you trying to squeeze tachs on a Geddon? Go for beams. 7x Mega Beam 1x 100MN Afterburner 1x Tracking Computer 1x Cap Recharger 1x Damage Control 2x Hardeners 1x LAR 3x Heatsink 1x Cap Power Relay 3x CCC 5x Wardens Dunno if this all fits, just tried to run it through my head and it seems alright. The tank isn't perfect but you shouldn't be taking too much damage if you have a buddy with you in a Raven, I'm guessing. _____________ Hai.
Boz Well	Posted - 2008.07.13 07:08:00 - [5] Edited by: Boz Well on 13/07/2008 07:08:21 You're about 3000 Power over with max skills. =P
SuiJuris	Posted - 2008.07.13 07:24:00 - [6] My fit or the other guys Im pretty certain mine all fits atleast thats what EFT said.
SuiJuris	Posted - 2008.07.13 07:39:00 - [7] Originally by: Falcon Troy Edited by: Falcon Troy on 13/07/2008 07:01:00 Why are you trying to squeeze tachs on a Geddon? Go for beams. 7x Mega Beam 1x 100MN Afterburner 1x Tracking Computer 1x Cap Recharger 1x Damage Control 2x Hardeners 1x LAR 3x Heatsink 1x Cap Power Relay 3x CCC 5x Wardens Dunno if this all fits, just tried to run it through my head and it seems alright. The tank isn't perfect but you shouldn't be taking too much damage if you have a buddy with you in a Raven, I'm guessing. Because I can get 70 more DPS with Tach's Also with the beams you have slightly less range forces you to go up a crystal which is bad. Also your quite a bit over on Powergrid however that would fit on a Apoc.
Falcon Troy Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.07.13 07:40:00 - [8] Originally by: Boz Well Edited by: Boz Well on 13/07/2008 07:08:21 You're about 3000 Power over with max skills. =P Serves me right for being lazy. Revised: Dual Heavy Beam Laser II [Amarr Navy Gamma] Dual Heavy Beam Laser II [Amarr Navy Gamma] Dual Heavy Beam Laser II [Amarr Navy Gamma] Dual Heavy Beam Laser II [Amarr Navy Gamma] Dual Heavy Beam Laser II [Amarr Navy Gamma] Dual Heavy Beam Laser II [Amarr Navy Gamma] Dual Heavy Beam Laser II [Amarr Navy Gamma] Empty slot 100MN Afterburner II Tracking Computer II Cap Recharger II Damage Control II EM Hardener II Thermal Hardener II Large Armor Repair II Cap Power Relay II Heatsink II Heatsink II Heatsink II [Capacitor Control Circuit I] [Capacitor Control Circuit I] [Capacitor Control Circuit I] 5x Warden IIs Tech 2 where skills and money applies otherwise best named or best you can afford, obviously. This all fits and can run the tank for a decent amount of time with the AB off. At least enough time to kill what's hurting or get away if you have to but your partner should be able to assist. Deals out decent damage out to about 40km, reasonably. _____________ Hai.
SuiJuris	Posted - 2008.07.13 07:43:00 - [9] Originally by: Falcon Troy Originally by: Boz Well Edited by: Boz Well on 13/07/2008 07:08:21 You're about 3000 Power over with max skills. =P Serves me right for being lazy. Revised: Dual Heavy Beam Laser II [Amarr Navy Gamma] Dual Heavy Beam Laser II [Amarr Navy Gamma] Dual Heavy Beam Laser II [Amarr Navy Gamma] Dual Heavy Beam Laser II [Amarr Navy Gamma] Dual Heavy Beam Laser II [Amarr Navy Gamma] Dual Heavy Beam Laser II [Amarr Navy Gamma] Dual Heavy Beam Laser II [Amarr Navy Gamma] Empty slot 100MN Afterburner II Tracking Computer II Cap Recharger II Damage Control II EM Hardener II Thermal Hardener II Large Armor Repair II Cap Power Relay II Heatsink II Heatsink II Heatsink II [Capacitor Control Circuit I] [Capacitor Control Circuit I] [Capacitor Control Circuit I] 5x Warden IIs Tech 2 where skills and money applies otherwise best named or best you can afford, obviously. This all fits and can run the tank for a decent amount of time with the AB off. At least enough time to kill what's hurting or get away if you have to but your partner should be able to assist. Deals out decent damage out to about 40km, reasonably. That drops the gun DPS from 500 down to 309 from my setup, yes it has tank but if I wanted to tank a lvl 4 I'd use a Apoc. Also if I could use Tech II Large Lasers I'd be using Pulse lasers + scorch because its the sex. The Point here is to put out MAXIMUM DPS at low SP's I can put out 300-400 dps in my cruise raven and still tank.
Falcon Troy Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.07.13 07:45:00 - [10] If you are so sure about your setup, why are you asking for help on the forums? _____________ Hai.

SuiJuris	Posted - 2008.07.13 07:52:00 - [11] Im simply compairing what your suggesting to my original setup. The setup you just posted can be completely outdone in the tank and dps department by a apoc which is counter to what I original asked about. Its not that your not giving advice its that your suggested setups seem way off target here. The whole point is it shouldn't need a tank if we do the missions correctly, and on the missions I do need a tank I can bring something else. Now for some missions it might be better to modify the setup with some tank because a Geddon with 5 sentry drones firing, especially if you can fit a tracking link in the mid for them, should put out more dps then a Apoc by a good long shot. Its not that I didn't want your advice you just seem to be veering to off course towards a normal solo mission setup.
Falcon Troy Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.07.13 08:02:00 - [12] Then use an Apoc? _____________ Hai.
Fan Weilin Gallente	Posted - 2008.07.13 08:13:00 - [13] nah, go for pulses 7x megapulse 1x whatever 2x cap recharger 1x 100mn AB 4x hardeners 1x LAR 3x heatsink II's drones to taste Armageddon is built for pulses with that bonus to ROF, and assuming you actually do have someone to tank everything else (trust me, at least fit some light tank on there, in case things go to pieces), you can drop a pair of hardeners for tracking enhancers. Pulses have about half the optimal of the beams, so just switch for the correct crystals.
Kaileen Starsong Amarr Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.07.13 08:29:00 - [14] Edited by: Kaileen Starsong on 13/07/2008 08:32:09 Well, I used following setup for this: 7xModulated Tachs AB, 2xCap rechargers RCU, PDS, 3xHS, 3xTE 5 med drones and 5 lights Did not bother with sentries, but if I would I'd get this 7xModulated Tachs, Drone link Medium Injector, 2xOmni tracking links RCU, PDS, 3xHS, 3xTE Don't need a repper if your friend has a flight of light rep drones(say, raven with 5 med drones and 5 light repper ones). In case you consider rigging it, I'd go with optimal rigs(which have different stacking penalty stack compared to TEs). So, something like this: 7xModulated Tachs, Drone link Medium Injector, 2xOmni tracking links 2xRCU, 3xHS, 3xTE 3xEnergy Locus rigs, fits with 1% PG hardwiring with AWU V/Energy Weapon Rigging V, 3% Energy Rigging IV, 5% AWU IV/Energy Rigging V. Ends up with 66km optimal with multifrequency lenses Since you've got lower fitting skills you'll prolly need to swap PDS for RCU, or swap one TE for PDS(or plug PG rig, whatever works for you). Edit. Just in case you wondering if injector is effective - it is, with that amount of cargo you'll last for quite a while. Only will need to inject in several battleship heavy missions(depends on your skills though)
Qui Shon	Posted - 2008.07.13 11:26:00 - [15] Edited by: Qui Shon on 13/07/2008 11:29:41 Without two Omnis I would not use Gardes, but Curators. Maybe switch to 4x Sentries + 5 lights for the missions with lots of small stuff. If the other guy can really grab all aggro, which isn't possible in all missions mind you, you'll be fine without a tank. However, if you do get some respawns targetting you, it's not too hard to fit a MAR + 2x hardeners, which will hopefully buy you enough time to kill whatever is shooting at you. I don't know your exact AWU level, but when fitting your ship bear in mind faction pds have 7,5% power increase compared to 5% for T2. And faction RCU is slightly better as well, but more importantly they're better in the skill requirements. The 3x HS + 3x TE + 2x Omni setup in the previus post looks good to me, but unless you've got the missions down perfectly and are sure about the respawns, I'd put at least a DCU instead of the third TE. I'd also not be too worried about cap use, with two missionships and one 1k dps like this, you won't be in there for very long, and you won't be at 100% efficiency anyway, so your cap use will be slightly lower then max consumption. If you use Sentries, Surely you want sentry dmg rigs? If you're willing to put a few faction mods on, the following fits with Drone Rigging 3, AWU 5 [Armageddon, T1 Tach-Sentry-JurisMod] Amarr Navy Heat Sink Amarr Navy Heat Sink Amarr Navy Heat Sink True Sansha Power Diagnostic System True Sansha Power Diagnostic System Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II / Internal Force Field Array I X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator Omnidirectional Tracking Link I Omnidirectional Tracking Link I Tachyon Modulated Energy Beam I, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Tachyon Modulated Energy Beam I, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Tachyon Modulated Energy Beam I, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Tachyon Modulated Energy Beam I, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Tachyon Modulated Energy Beam I, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Tachyon Modulated Energy Beam I, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Tachyon Modulated Energy Beam I, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Drone Link Augmentor I Sentry Damage Augmentor I Sentry Damage Augmentor I [empty rig slot] Garde II x5 Curator II x4 Curator II x1 Hobgoblin II x5 0.35 cpu and 300pg to spare. If you don't want faction gear, you can just drop one Sentry rig and you won't have CPU problems anymore. I think you don't have AWU 5, so you'd have to look at switching PDS for RCU, or maybe DCU/TE/HS for RCU/PDS. Or an ANC rig. The Drones are just options, I think we all know the 125m3 limit.
kyrv	Posted - 2008.07.13 11:33:00 - [16] X2 geddons gate camping works like a treat im not sure how I seen another two do it but there tanks was unbeatable good luck
SuiJuris	Posted - 2008.07.13 19:10:00 - [17] Thanks for all the input guys. I think I'll have to play with EFT a little more and try to fit 2 hardeners + atleast a MAR as suggested flying with absolutely no tank did sound a little dicey. I'll plug some of your setups into EFT see what I get as far as, how close to fitting it I can come and what the DPS looks like with the changes. Also do sentry drones generally need 1x omni tracking computer or 2? Thanks again.
Elhina Novae Amarr Destruction Reborn CORPVS DELICTI	Posted - 2008.07.13 19:22:00 - [18] Let me refer too this topic: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=821510 ------------ Somebody set up us the bomb
SuiJuris	Posted - 2008.07.13 19:29:00 - [19] Originally by: Elhina Novae Let me refer too this topic: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=821510 Um thanks....
Elhina Novae Amarr Destruction Reborn CORPVS DELICTI	Posted - 2008.07.13 20:09:00 - [20] The Apocalypse will serve you much better for Gank during missions. The Range you get with the right rigs/fittings with Pulse weapons are really nice. As for a gank fitting during missions i would do: 8 x Mega Modulated Pulse, Multifrequency & Ultraviolet 1 x Tracking Computer II /w Optimal Range 1 x 100mn Afterburner II 2 x Cap Recharger II 4 x Heat Sink II 2 x Tracking Enhancer II 1 x Damage Control II (just incase) 3 x Energy Locus Coordinator Shot them at range and if they get close, change script for better tracking. Even if this does less DPS, don't stare at it, look at the range and think again. ------------ Somebody set up us the bomb

SuiJuris	Posted - 2008.07.13 20:14:00 - [21] Originally by: Elhina Novae The Apocalypse will serve you much better for Gank during missions. The Range you get with the right rigs/fittings with Pulse weapons are really nice. As for a gank fitting during missions i would do: 8 x Mega Modulated Pulse, Multifrequency & Ultraviolet 1 x Tracking Computer II /w Optimal Range 1 x 100mn Afterburner II 2 x Cap Recharger II 4 x Heat Sink II 2 x Tracking Enhancer II 1 x Damage Control II (just incase) 3 x Energy Locus Coordinator Shot them at range and if they get close, change script for better tracking. Even if this does less DPS, don't stare at it, look at the range and think again. The Tach geddon shoots out to 40+25 with Multi's and does more DPS + I can have a full flight of sentries which is worth a fair amount of DPS on its own. Granted I will fully admit for soloing lvl 4's the Apoc is the easiest of the 3 Amarr battleships to get a good amount of gank from infact it is quite a bit better for soloing them then the Geddon. Also that 4th heatsink is a waste
Elhina Novae Amarr Destruction Reborn CORPVS DELICTI	Posted - 2008.07.13 23:56:00 - [22] The 4th heatsink is useful for a pure gank setup, it will still deliver 27% of what it is suppose too. ------------ Somebody set up us the bomb
SuiJuris	Posted - 2008.07.14 00:03:00 - [23] Edited by: SuiJuris on 14/07/2008 00:03:39 27% of 22% is what 5.5% extra damage. I would see a much better damage increase using a Tracking Enhancer to increase range / tracking so I can use a different crystal and get better quality hits. Nevermind you already have 2 tracking enhancers on that setup but still its not really worth the slot.
Qui Shon	Posted - 2008.07.14 00:25:00 - [24] Originally by: SuiJuris Also do sentry drones generally need 1x omni tracking computer or 2? You can use them with just 1, but they are more limited. If you use T2 Gardes, for example, one omni gets you 34,5km optimal. Some may disagree, but I find the 40km two omnis gives, substantially better. If you use T2 Curators, the optimals are 61 and 52km respectively, but with just 1 omni, they're going to be a lot slower with cruisers under 20km. Still, like I said, if you want to use just one Omni, I'd stick with Curators for everything but Sansha/Blood Vengeance, and there you would probably get more out of Ogres then Sentries, due to the high number of close orbiting cruisers/bc's. This is with Drone Sharpshooting at 4.
SuiJuris	Posted - 2008.07.14 00:32:00 - [25] Thanks for the advice on the Sentry drones much appreciated.
BiggestT Caldari Space Oddysey Pupule 'Ohana	Posted - 2008.10.12 07:01:00 - [26] I was bored so i bumped this thread, it was about 1hr from being locked after 90days inactivity! (Yes I know, lame, but i really cba doing this assignment LOL) Awesome EVE history Missiles ba-oom!
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