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Jinshu
German Kings
Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2008.07.13 23:33:00 -
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Edited by: Jinshu on 13/07/2008 23:33:07
Just a thought came up in my mind a few minutes ago.
It has been stated repeatedly, that titans are somewhat becoming to common and thus somewhat of a problem.
The raw power of one titan is fierce enough but an alliance like BoB owning dozens would now enabling them to to hotdrop and maybe melt down even capital fleets with multiple doomsdays. A scenario theoretically possible - maybe unlikely but possible.
As an answer to adress the capital problem, ccp came up with cynojammers in the past and nowadays there are lot of discussions about them and the resulting pain in the ass for everyone in 0.0 warfare.
So what now if a titan couldn't jump - think about it how much of a problem is a normal cap fleet jumping in a system, compared to a few multiple titans ?
Let us think through this topic briefly:
- A cap fleet of dreads, motherships and carriers jumping in on a 150 man conventional defender fleet.
Now this is where the fun begins - a cap fleet is still somewhat supperior to a conventional fleet in many terms however even 300
normal caps cannot kill an opposing fleet instantly - you could still do something even if it was 50 frigs they just cynoed into.
At least you could escape and set up a fight by calling in support. Add one titan and the whole scenario looks different.
But taking Titans out of the math would actually change anything - maybe to a point where Cynojammers are not needed anymore.
- Titans would still be an incredible valuable asset in your own space acting as ultimate defense and flexible jump bridge.
In fact limiting the jump range so that they could jump only from one system to the next would maybe even be enough. Still providing the means to set them up where you need them - but making the process time consuming so you could not just hotdrop a random fleet within lightyears. If you where up as a defender you actually had decent chances to do something even without cynojammers - just like the rebels in star wars did, because the Deathstar took so much time bevor it was in attacking range.
Imagine the Deathstar just jumping on the other side of the moon in an instant - poor rebels.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2008.07.13 23:42:00 -
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Interesting.
Screws over titan pilots too much, and too massive a change in general to ever be done, ofc.
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Straight Chillen
Gallente
Solar Wind
Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service
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Posted - 2008.07.13 23:51:00 -
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thats just not right
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PewPewLePewPew
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Posted - 2008.07.13 23:52:00 -
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I think I worked it out that at 75% resist to DD (obviously the 20 titans won't be the same but to make it easy on me :P) they would do around 250K damage, all level V a thanatos would have around 800K effective.
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Armoured C
Gallente
The Aztecs
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.07.13 23:54:00 -
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there already limited to 5 lightyears
remember these guys have taken years to train something
i think remote doomday was harsh enough 
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Rechal
Active Measures
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Posted - 2008.07.14 00:14:00 -
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Only white Titans can't jump.
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wifi
Frontier Technologies
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Posted - 2008.07.14 00:18:00 -
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What happends when you lose space? Pilot just abandons the titan and warps off in his pod? 
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Nicholas Barker
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.07.14 01:16:00 -
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Problem with eve; you can't add something that can potentially **** everything, and then remove it completely, it's there to stay.
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Hannobaal
Gallente
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.07.14 01:20:00 -
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It's on defense that they are most the overpowered in the first place. Offensively they're not as much of an issue since cyno jammers came along.
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Xaziar Nortocus
Forces Unknown Inc
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Posted - 2008.07.14 10:31:00 -
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 Originally by: Rechal
Only white Titans can't jump.
qft
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Euriti
Gallente
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2008.07.14 11:21:00 -
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Originally by: PewPewLePewPew
I think I worked it out that at 75% resist to DD (obviously the 20 titans won't be the same but to make it easy on me :P) they would do around 250K damage, all level V a thanatos would have around 800K effective.
Fail math fails. Effective hp is the hp with resists factored in. So it's 20 x 70k = 1400k damage. Nearly enough to kill the all lvl V thanatos twice.
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Krxon Blade
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Posted - 2008.07.14 11:37:00 -
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Originally by: Rechal
Only white Titans can't jump.
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2008.07.14 11:46:00 -
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How about if they limp?
Them being so huge jumps may be a strain on their hull integrity and they'd have to have a post-jump mobile repair facility set up upon landing in a new area, to be docked by and fixed before working proper.
No more hotdropping titans and possibly mostly used as a defensive tool. Would you miss them?
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General StarScream
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.07.14 11:54:00 -
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ZzzzzzzzZ i agree titans cost way to littel for what they can do.
Each of em should cost trillons of isk, maybe like 10 trilloon isk in minerals, to build.
its kinda sad when cheaters like bob use there ill gains to build 50 titans and just go around squirting there cheat juice on anyone they dont like.
you dont see bob ratting, mining, missioning, plexing, theres even like 5 Dysp moons in delve that aint beeing mined? wtf?
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Laura Baretta
Minmatar
Omega Fleet Enterprises
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2008.07.14 12:20:00 -
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What about a Titan upkeep fee. Like a certain amount of money just to keep them running. In times of relative peace you would put them out of order, and reactivate them in times of war.
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Riho
Gallente
Mercenary Forces
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Posted - 2008.07.14 12:23:00 -
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Originally by: General StarScream
ZzzzzzzzZ i agree titans cost way to littel for what they can do.
Each of em should cost trillons of isk, maybe like 10 trilloon isk in minerals, to build.
its kinda sad when cheaters like bob use there ill gains to build 50 titans and just go around squirting there cheat juice on anyone they dont like.
you dont see bob ratting, mining, missioning, plexing, theres even like 5 Dysp moons in delve that aint beeing mined? wtf?
hai mister i have no clue whats so ever.
ill sell you a clue for 200mil :) hit me up ingame
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123GuessWho
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Posted - 2008.07.14 12:25:00 -
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Posting in a "General FailScream posted in this thread" thread
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2008.07.14 13:05:00 -
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Originally by: Laura Baretta
What about a Titan upkeep fee. Like a certain amount of money just to keep them running. In times of relative peace you would put them out of order, and reactivate them in times of war.
There is no such time in EVE when your competition isn't willing to comply with your schedule and the arms race goes on eternal.
Titan depots is the only thing that makes sense without being a senseless nerf. Also they present a new and interesting possibility for attack, very Tora! Tora! Tora! 
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Posted - 2008.07.14 14:19:00 -
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Originally by: Laura Baretta
What about a Titan upkeep fee. Like a certain amount of money just to keep them running. In times of relative peace you would put them out of order, and reactivate them in times of war.
Dreadful they already cost stupid isk to make, you need another account to realisticly fly them so thats an rl upkeep fee not to mention the people who fly them probably have more isk than you could imagine so without some stupid cost restricting them to the uber rich theres no point not to mention the point of titans in local is the sickening bonuses you get let alone the doomsdays (not to mention firing 20 ddd would cost you nearly as much as a carrier anyways and since all your titans would have to be sitting there taking the fire from the doomsday themselves, even if you managed to kill a few caps.
I think this is pretty much the same as people thinking you could blow up pos guns with ddd a while back when they got moved outside the shield, in theory, yes, but just no, almost nobody would bother doing it cos they can prob wipe you out with less risk just blasting you to hell with regular caps
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flashfreaking
LFC
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2008.07.14 14:25:00 -
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1 Titan is about the same as 50-60 Carriers, and these carriers are fitted.
Don't tell me 50-60 carriers can't wtfpwn any conventional fleet they come up against...
The advantage with a titan is that it's 1 person controlling this power.
Titans are fine
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Zareph
Merch Industrial
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.07.14 14:31:00 -
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yeah no.
At best you could implement something that makes some RP BS that says more than say 3 titans can't be in the same system because their massive jump drives cause some spatial anomoly blah blah blah that in effect cyno jams.
Keeping them from moving, that's just silly and effectivly traps the pilot, or makes them spend a a fortune on a way to keep their titan from being stolen while they are out of it.
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Shackle
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Posted - 2008.07.14 14:35:00 -
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wtb the locations of any dyspro moons in delve not being mined so I can wtf*****slap Astasia Orian with them, thanks.
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Axel Yulaw
Brotherhood of the Phoenix
Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2008.07.14 14:40:00 -
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Originally by: Rechal
Only white Titans can't jump.
I lol'd srsly hard.
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Super Whopper
I can Has Cheeseburger
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Posted - 2008.07.14 15:43:00 -
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Originally by: Jinshu
TL;DR
What if n00bs like you couldn't breathe?
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bogir
War And Peace Construction
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Posted - 2008.07.14 19:27:00 -
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What if Titans couldn't jump... ----
Then you will have a station...
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sinqlaison
Amarr
Capital Builders Inc.
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Posted - 2008.07.14 19:29:00 -
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Don't like it? Build a titan yourself. We have delivered 11 titan packages to date ;-)
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Morcam
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Posted - 2008.07.14 21:33:00 -
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You bring up an interesting point. However, I would very much perfer it if titans were simply limited to the alliance that has sov in the space.
I.E. A titan can not go to enemy space, but can still move in friendly space. It might also make interesting attempts at getting sov in enemy areas.
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000Hunter000
Gallente
Missiles 'R' Us
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Posted - 2008.07.14 21:40:00 -
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If i have a gazzillion isk ship, it better be able to... go somewhere... 
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Takashi X2
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Posted - 2008.07.14 21:49:00 -
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Take this into considertion real quick a fleet of 15 titans vs a fleet of 15 chimeras guess whos gunna win :) ill give you a hint its not the 1.5trillion isk fleet its gunna be the 20-30 billion isk fleet. titans have a 1 hour cool down on ddd's adn they dont do much else. While yes your lil ships are gunna get WTFPWNed everytime a ddd is fired consider this. one full fitted titan is worth 1000 fully fitted hacs, 700 full fitted battlships, 10000 full fited cruisers, 7500 full fitted inties, 100,000 full fitted frigates, or hell even 50 fully fitted carriers. The price vs. wat they can do seems fine to me and can some one plzzz explain how bob is cheating? Really i dont know i dont keep up to date but plzzz dont say o they have 50 titans, They play and they earned em (i think) so if thats the reason shut it
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Napro
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.07.15 00:32:00 -
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Originally by: Takashi X2
They play and they earned em (i think) so if thats the reason shut it
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