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Run One	Posted - 2004.05.23 21:40:00 - [1] I noticed over the past couple of days of a certain corp with a high number of people, strip mining what I take is a noob sector....Dodixie which is 0.9 space. The reason I call it noob is because of the fact there are no rats in 0.9, to allow the new players to make isk by mining without distractions. However 5/22/04, there was a corp that strip mined one entire field. Some may think that one field out of many is of no consequence, but I find it extremely tacky, underhanded and without honor for the leaders of Celestial Horizon to allow this to happen. Mind you, I'm not whining about it as I'm an agent runner and could care less about mining unless its to complete my mission. What is everyone else's take on this issue?
Mandros Aslay	Posted - 2004.05.23 21:50:00 - [2] Originally by: Run One Mind you, I'm not whining about it as I'm an agent runner and could care less about mining unless its to complete my mission. What is everyone else's take on this issue? I would like to be the first to point out the irony here...
Fighterpilotjp	Posted - 2004.05.23 21:53:00 - [3] Sadly, there isn't much you can do about this problem. It's still fair play, and EVE is definitely survival of the fittest (in this case, richest/largest corporation). The first solution is to try and mine elsewhere, possibly a lower security system, and you should be able to make more money from better ores. Then again, if you can't beat 'em, join 'em. That's the next best option. combat Your Tachyon Beam Laser I hits Blood Arch Templar, doing 133.7 damage.
Siddy	Posted - 2004.05.23 21:58:00 - [4] oooooooor - rake what u need from theyr cans -------------------------------------------
Bohr	Posted - 2004.05.23 22:00:00 - [5] Don't see a problem with it. A large corp want some easy mining, while being able to chat, have some fun together and flash all their harvies without having to worry about rats :P
Run One	Posted - 2004.05.23 22:05:00 - [6] Maybe Mercenary Forces or whatever they call themselves now should go to Dodixie and have some fun slaughtering the cruisers, frigates and haulers.
Laika Minirva	Posted - 2004.05.23 22:09:00 - [7] Originally by: Run One Maybe Mercenary Forces or whatever they call themselves now should go to Dodixie and have some fun slaughtering the cruisers, frigates and haulers. and get ganked by CONCORD for doing so. Hopefully some ore thieves will be reading this, set autopilot to Dodixie and do your job FFS! If spamming is a crime, then i'm guilty as charged!
Waagaa Ktlehr	Posted - 2004.05.23 22:17:00 - [8] As always, I value opinions of others, especially those of alts created with the sole purpose of posting on the forums. We are honored that you have dedicated and entire character slot to this issue. Yes, we did stripmine one field in Dodixie for ore. This ore will be used to build cruisers for our newer players. Because of numerous corp wars, logistics can be a real problem and because of logistical reasons Dodixie was chosen for this operation. CLS' policy on mining is that our members should not mine in 0.9 and up and if you would have seen the MO the reason was not the ability to AFK-mine, there were enough drone-wielding ships there to take on any spawn in 0.5 and up. We were very low on low end minerals and our newbies were hurting from this. An Mr. "Run One", you don't mind but still bring it up. Hypocracy comes to mind, but I will not speak of it I guess.. ------------------------------------------ I am a love machine, feeding my fantasy, give me a kiss or three, have fun!
sableye	Posted - 2004.05.23 22:30:00 - [9] personally I don't see much of a problem with this as there's a ton of systems with ore .9 and above there is'nt enough real noobs to strip one whole system in a day, you just wanting to leave all them low end minerals going to waste? sometimes you get sick of constantly having to check your scanner for incoming npc's.
Baldour Ngarr	Posted - 2004.05.23 22:34:00 - [10] Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr Yes, we did stripmine one field in Dodixie for ore....CLS' policy on mining is that our members should not mine in 0.9 and up ... We were very low on low end minerals and our newbies were hurting from this. You do realise that veldspar and scordite rocks show up in 0.5 as well? A lot bigger than the ones you'll find in Dodixie, too. If you really need trit and pyer that badly, Dodixie is not the place to try and fill your boots with it. _______ "Soon" is an ancient Icelandic word meaning "some time before the next Ice Age."
Baldour Ngarr	Posted - 2004.05.23 22:34:00 - [11] Edited by: Baldour Ngarr on 23/05/2004 23:17:11 Nothing to see here, move along. _______ "Soon" is an ancient Icelandic word meaning "some time before the next Ice Age."
Run One	Posted - 2004.05.23 22:47:00 - [12] Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr As always, I value opinions of others, especially those of alts created with the sole purpose of posting on the forums. We are honored that you have dedicated and entire character slot to this issue. Yes, we did stripmine one field in Dodixie for ore. This ore will be used to build cruisers for our newer players. Because of numerous corp wars, logistics can be a real problem and because of logistical reasons Dodixie was chosen for this operation. CLS' policy on mining is that our members should not mine in 0.9 and up and if you would have seen the MO the reason was not the ability to AFK-mine, there were enough drone-wielding ships there to take on any spawn in 0.5 and up. We were very low on low end minerals and our newbies were hurting from this. An Mr. "Run One", you don't mind but still bring it up. Hypocracy comes to mind, but I will not speak of it I guess.. Mr. Waagaa, lets speak of hypocracy for a moment. I'm not an alt created for the sole purpose of posting on the forums, but nice of you to accuse me of being one. My main character is a pvp/miner combo and has been around for awhile. This is to get me away from the mining boredom for a bit. It's nice of you to acknowledge that you did strip mine a "noob" field, but it seems that a corp of your size should have no logistical reasons of why you can't mine in 0.8 or lower and since you also acknowledge that there were a enough drone wielding ships, then why couldn't they go mine elsewhere?
Waagaa Ktlehr	Posted - 2004.05.23 22:54:00 - [13] Originally by: Run One Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr As always, I value opinions of others, especially those of alts created with the sole purpose of posting on the forums. We are honored that you have dedicated and entire character slot to this issue. Yes, we did stripmine one field in Dodixie for ore. This ore will be used to build cruisers for our newer players. Because of numerous corp wars, logistics can be a real problem and because of logistical reasons Dodixie was chosen for this operation. CLS' policy on mining is that our members should not mine in 0.9 and up and if you would have seen the MO the reason was not the ability to AFK-mine, there were enough drone-wielding ships there to take on any spawn in 0.5 and up. We were very low on low end minerals and our newbies were hurting from this. An Mr. "Run One", you don't mind but still bring it up. Hypocracy comes to mind, but I will not speak of it I guess.. Mr. Waagaa, lets speak of hypocracy for a moment. I'm not an alt created for the sole purpose of posting on the forums, but nice of you to accuse me of being one. My main character is a pvp/miner combo and has been around for awhile. This is to get me away from the mining boredom for a bit. It's nice of you to acknowledge that you did strip mine a "noob" field, but it seems that a corp of your size should have no logistical reasons of why you can't mine in 0.8 or lower and since you also acknowledge that there were a enough drone wielding ships, then why couldn't they go mine elsewhere? The sheer size does create the logistical nightmare called "corp wars" by "alt corps" that like to gank industrials that make trips from mining to production location. So, when we need a large amount of lowends and because of several reasons we dipped into the reserves too much we simply can't risk the 5-6 jumps exposure. These big, corp-wide ops are incidents, normally like I said our policy is no mining in 0.9 and above. But until certain elements in empire space are "fixed" we will also have to sometimes resort to tactics that we rather not use. We did think about the possibiliy of letting some out-of-corp alts haul for hours but we decided against this. What made you target our corp in particular by the way? This is by my best knowledge the first op that we did on this scale in 0.9. I know of a lot of corps that do a lot more of it. ------------------------------------------ I am a love machine, feeding my fantasy, give me a kiss or three, have fun!
Waagaa Ktlehr	Posted - 2004.05.23 22:57:00 - [14] Yupp, we are aware of that, heck I mined quite a load of scord in 0.0 the last days, need pye for CMs. The reasons for chosing Dodixie were in logistics and exposure. You get on your toes with 5 corp wars :) Originally by: Baldour Ngarr Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr Yes, we did stripmine one field in Dodixie for ore....CLS' policy on mining is that our members should not mine in 0.9 and up ... We were very low on low end minerals and our newbies were hurting from this. You do realise that veldspar and scordite rocks show up in 0.5 as well? A lot bigger than the ones you'll find in Dodixie, too. If you really need trit and pyer that badly, Dodixie is not the place to try and fill your boots with it. ------------------------------------------ I am a love machine, feeding my fantasy, give me a kiss or three, have fun!
Run One	Posted - 2004.05.23 23:20:00 - [15] What about the MO you held in Dodixie last weekend that lasted for 11 hours and stripped 2 fields dry? Your corp is the only one I've seen that has been in 0.9 space and had more than 10 people involved. Your comments please, cause the interested public is awaiting your answers.
Blood Hound	Posted - 2004.05.24 01:25:00 - [16] Seems to me this is not about strip mining a belt. There are far to many 1.0 > 0.7 systems for this to be the issue. I bet its a personal beef with no merit and this is his only way to involve others against said corp. Strip the belts, they will come back
MooKids	Posted - 2004.05.24 03:00:00 - [17] Originally by: Run One Maybe Mercenary Forces or whatever they call themselves now should go to Dodixie and have some fun slaughtering the cruisers, frigates and haulers. So that is where they are... /me also smells a trap -------------------------------- CCP can patch away bugs, but they can't patch away stupidity.
Fatamorgana	Posted - 2004.05.24 05:16:00 - [18] Well, the strip-mining in the .9 sector was an unfortunate event. As a corp it is not our normal practice to do so, but as it has been clearly stated, the logistics of running a MO of that scale involving mutiple jumps would be quite dangerous and very nonproductive. And yes, we are currently involved in 5 Wars against us, and this has brought about the unfortunate necessity for us to engage in this type of mining op. However, we will continue efforts to not engage in this practice if it is not ABSOLUTELTY necessary. Regards. /end attention span
Dufas	Posted - 2004.05.24 06:36:00 - [19] mining scord in a .0?
Waagaa Ktlehr	Posted - 2004.05.24 07:45:00 - [20] It's relaxing every now and then, you should try it :) And it's better than escorting haulers of pye through 40 jumps of 0.0 space :) Originally by: Dufas mining scord in a .0? ------------------------------------------ I am a love machine, feeding my fantasy, give me a kiss or three, have fun!
DeFood	Posted - 2004.05.24 07:54:00 - [21] It seems to me that CCP have created a LOT of 0.9 sectors, and filled a lot of those with not trivial amounts of asteroids. I do not belive - with the current online population - that anyone is negativly effected by this. So, what exatly is the grip then?
eddie valvetino	Posted - 2004.05.24 09:09:00 - [22] I can't believe that you guys are even having this thread. Wake Up! 1. Corps will strip mine!!!! 2. Solo's will try and Strip mine into cans. 3. If you happen to mine 1.0s like there is a good chance that it'll have 50 local noobs "strip mining" the belts because of their sheer number. 4. Eve is full of ore rich 1.0-0.9s I Have a like op going on in 1.0 big Scord riods and 2 or 3 locals. 5. If you're not happy with your belts, go else where. 6. Belts are there for mining. (\_/) (O.o) (> <)
Famin	Posted - 2004.05.24 10:05:00 - [23] i just love the way they get miffed when someone comes along and nicks their ore from under their noses! speed rigged mammoths own strip mining corps! and 1.0-0.6 space is the best area to do it in!
Fred Flintstone	Posted - 2004.05.24 10:51:00 - [24] Sigh Mining _________________________________ Yabba Dabba Doooooo!!!!!
Maud Dib	Posted - 2004.05.24 13:04:00 - [25] Strip mining n00b systems is one of the lamest things you can do in EVE. It's right up there with alt keesie ganking. It's about time the rest of EVE did something about it.
Chrais Mrisith	Posted - 2004.05.24 16:44:00 - [26] Edited by: Chrais Mrisith on 24/05/2004 16:46:56 Nothing to see here - CM ¼('.'¼) It was him!
Chrais Mrisith	Posted - 2004.05.24 16:45:00 - [27] My opinion.. I dont think some of you have considered that cos these guys appear to have 4 or 5 corps at war with them, so maybe they were running "protection" or something for their miners? Also, 'noob' sector or whatever you want to call it ... well that's a dodgy definition. Surely a noob sector would be one where players START the game.. 0.8, 0.9 and 1.0 are just high security sectors .. ie, safe. NO ONE has ever said they're for new players. And, just cos their players are in a Player Controlled corp., does that mean they may not be 'noobs'? Perhaps they were aiding their 'noobs' mining in a sector where they've got an office so that it's safe enough if someone their at war with shows up, and where they don't have to worry about other things, such as rats, pirates etc? If I were at war, I'd probably consider that for the "noobs" amoung my players it may be boring or too dangerous to do much .. great to be paying for a game that sux to play. And as I believe Wagaa said, they were low on the basic ores, so I assume Veld, Scord and Pyr were what they're after ... what better way to keep the 'noob' miners occupied? What would be the point of sending them 5 jumps away (time), to a 0.6 sector (danger, exposure), to mine ores that they can mine in safety, very close by. I see no wrong with this. As soon, however, as I see a noob who can prove he was negatively affected by this mining, I'll take my words back. And, who is an agent runner to criticise miners? Or is this some personal beef. - CM ¼('.'¼) It was him!
Maud Dib	Posted - 2004.05.24 17:07:00 - [28] 1.0 and .9 ARE n00b area's. You know how you can tell? There are NO npc pirates, none. They are places for n00bs to learn how to mine and to learn the basics of the game. Also CCP has said 1.0 and .9 are meant to be n00b areas Large corps mining in them is like a 50th lvl grunt in some orcs and trolls online game killing basic bunnies with his +75 sword of uber smiting. Also if they are at war then it's no safer in empire space than in 0.0, in fact it might be more dangerous since in 0.0 you can see large groups coming from far away. Of course no one is saying anyone should mine scord in 0.0, there are plenty of places .6-.1 with tons of low level mins and really weak pirates. One day a group of bored pvper's are going to start war decing high sec strip miners and both the howls are going to get really loud. CCP also said that they never meant for BS's to be mining in high sec at all. They basically never thought anybody would be that lame. Boy were they wrong.
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.05.24 17:10:00 - [29] Strip-mining will continue as long as CCP ignore cases like this. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Tophereon	Posted - 2004.05.24 18:29:00 - [30] I often mine for scord in a 1.0 system, this allows me to mine while reading for my exams (mastered the art blind mouse dragging). I know for sure it has never effected any noobs (even though I strip the belt clean) since I rarely see more than 3 people in the system (never seen a noob). It is jumps away from any noob starter system and if it wasn't for me and the few in local, no-one would ever go there.... So if we were to leave.... what a waste that would be... Toph.

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