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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.07.16 05:47:00 -
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4 out of 6 capital cities - gone
4 melee classes - gone (2 of those 4 were supposed to be the primary tanks for the races they belong to)
...and god knows what else too.
It's like a cavalcade of mediocrity in the entire MMO space this past year, what the hell ?
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The mineral/moonstuff balance || *THE* nanofix
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Viktor Fyretracker
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.07.16 05:59:00 -
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its called rush it out a few months before Wrath of the Lich King in hopes that we will secure people and we wont have to fight a WoW expansion head on for sales.
of course they could end up pulling a VanguardSOH and becoming a minimal challenge on the MMO front.
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pwnedgato
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Posted - 2008.07.16 06:01:00 -
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Well if the 2 cities they do have are so much better than what we currently see in MMOs I guess it won't be too bad...
 Originally by: Crumplecorn
These is a forum for this.
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.07.16 06:22:00 -
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Failure.
That is all I have to say.
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Asharee Intrefer
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Posted - 2008.07.16 06:33:00 -
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Release being open beta with subscription costs seems to have become the acceptable norm...
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Yoshimako
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Posted - 2008.07.16 06:52:00 -
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Ofcourse if you actually bothered reading their reasons for the changes you may find that they did it so that it WOULD be more polished at launch.
Sure you can argue that all that content has gone but surely quality over quantity is preferable?
Yes okay they could have put the release date back 6 months and finished the lot BUT half the gamers of the world are to ******ed to realise that postponements are actualy (if frustrating) a good thing.
Just because they have pulled all these things from launch oesnt mean that they wont be added at another time. Infact i think (assumng the game gets some kind of player base) you can count on them being reintroduced.
Sure you can naysay and doomsay all you want but im going to actually play the game before i start whining about how its going to be another MMOPOS.
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Finnroth
Caldari
Sirrius Cybernetics
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Posted - 2008.07.16 08:23:00 -
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Originally by: Yoshimako
Ofcourse if you actually bothered reading their reasons for the changes you may find that they did it so that it WOULD be more polished at launch.
Sure you can argue that all that content has gone but surely quality over quantity is preferable?
Yes okay they could have put the release date back 6 months and finished the lot BUT half the gamers of the world are to ******ed to realise that postponements are actualy (if frustrating) a good thing.
Just because they have pulled all these things from launch oesnt mean that they wont be added at another time. Infact i think (assumng the game gets some kind of player base) you can count on them being reintroduced.
Sure you can naysay and doomsay all you want but im going to actually play the game before i start whining about how its going to be another MMOPOS.
You're new to the whole mmo stuff, arn't ya?
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Meiyang Lee
Gallente
Azteca Transportation Unlimited
Gunboat Diplomacy
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Posted - 2008.07.16 09:00:00 -
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Edited by: Meiyang Lee on 16/07/2008 08:59:58
Yoshi, sofar I've been playing that game for about 8 months, and trust me, Akita's closer to the money than you'd think. The cutting of the capitals won't matter all that much. (they changed the City Siege mechanic to compensate)
But the classes are important since they're literally cutting the 2 most fun melee classes (Orc Choppa and Dwarf Hammerer) aswell as the Disorder Caster/Avoidance Tank (the Dark Elf Black Guard) and one of the Order heavy tanks (the human Knight of the Blazing Sun)
Now the loss of one of the heavy tanks isn't to bad for Order, they have another which is the Dwarf Ironbreaker, but the loss of the primary magic tank will hurt Disorder, sure the Chaos Chosen can handle part of what the Black Guard could but doesn't have nearly the anti-magic options of the other.
Add to that the fact that mOlTe combat still feels like fighting while dunked in wallpaper paste (very slow and cumbersome) and you'll see that this game will have some serious problems to overcome to even launch well. It looks a lot better now though, most of the lighting is in place and the game world now feels dark and brooding as it should.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.07.16 09:19:00 -
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Originally by: Yoshimako
Ofcourse if you actually bothered reading their reasons for the changes you may find that they did it so that it WOULD be more polished at launch.
Sure you can argue that all that content has gone but surely quality over quantity is preferable?
They had plenty of time to "polish" stuff. The capitals gone, well, ok, that can be helped, but cutting out NECESSARY gameplay elements because they're "not quite polished" enough will severely hurt their launch.
In the end, this is just another grind'em'up WoW-style clone, and so far there have really been, what, only three noteworthy games that I'm aware of that even tried to cut the crap in that aspect (EVE being the only one actually in service so far)... but I digress... fact is, for THAT kind of game, launch day playability is CRUCIAL to that game's success or failure.
So, yeah, QUALITY is better than QUANTITY... but in this case, the cutoffs severely hurt QUALITY, and it would be in their best interest to introduce the slightly less polished classes for the sake of gameplay quality.
So far it looks like failboat is preparing to dock with their launch day via choices made.
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Yes okay they could have put the release date back 6 months and finished the lot BUT half the gamers of the world are to ******ed to realise that postponements are actualy (if frustrating) a good thing.
Ever heard of that company called Blizzard ? They tended to almost always postpone their (admitedly, single player) games, and all it would do is raise the hype levels... and somehow, still, they DID manage to rise up to the expectations most of the time, in spite of the over-hyping.
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Just because they have pulled all these things from launch oesnt mean that they wont be added at another time. Infact i think (assumng the game gets some kind of player base) you can count on them being reintroduced.
Of course they'll get introduced. At a later time, when most players that started paying got bored with the lack of features, and word of mouth is already running them downhill.
And with the omnipresent WoW shadow looming over their heads, it would take a really dedicated fan of the franchise (which I'm not) to even bother sticking around much.
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Sure you can naysay and doomsay all you want but im going to actually play the game before i start whining about how its going to be another MMOPOS.
These type of signs generally do not lie.
And these signs say "we care about fast cash more than customer satisfaction".
And in the end, that means "we got your money, now shut the hell up, if you put up with it so far, you will keep doing so in the future, OR ELSE".
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The mineral/moonstuff balance || *THE* nanofix
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Reiisha
Splint Eye Probabilities Inc.
Dawn of Transcendence
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Posted - 2008.07.16 12:30:00 -
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"It's not because of EA"
Yeah it is, otherwise they would have delayed the launch.
EVE History Wiki
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Keta Min
Pre-nerfed Tactics
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Posted - 2008.07.16 12:43:00 -
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Edited by: Keta Min on 16/07/2008 12:43:33
wh online is a facepalm in itself cause they went for the fantasy setting and not 40k. guess that would've been too challenging and they just want a wow clone, not to explore new things.. not all mmog companies can do a ccp :p
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Meiyang Lee
Gallente
Azteca Transportation Unlimited
Gunboat Diplomacy
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Posted - 2008.07.16 12:47:00 -
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Originally by: Keta Min
Edited by: Keta Min on 16/07/2008 12:43:33
wh online is a facepalm in itself cause they went for the fantasy setting and not 40k. guess that would've been too challenging and they just want a wow clone, not to explore new things.. not all mmog companies can do a ccp :p
Well, THQ holds the complete Warhammer 40K license, so Mythic couldn't have tried even if they wanted to. That said, THQ is working on a 40K MMO, but they only started on it early this year, so it'll be a few years before we see it.
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Adrielle Firewalker
Minmatar
WASTELAND MINERS Inc.
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Posted - 2008.07.16 13:38:00 -
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Originally by: Reiisha
"It's not because of EA"
Yeah it is, otherwise they would have delayed the launch.
Indeed...
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Gaunty
Macabre Votum
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2008.07.16 13:51:00 -
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Was gutted when i heard this. Some of the classes i was most looking forward to and also one of the main reasons i was wanting to play was to see the capital cities of each race but now thats gone and with it a lot of my interest. 
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2008.07.16 14:24:00 -
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Are we out of beta yet?
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2008.07.16 14:44:00 -
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WHO seems to the WoW2 from what I've seen on videos. They shouldn't have went in the Warhammer Fantasy Battle direction (shiny, colorful, boast-some-more) but instead the Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay direction (dark, forbidding, cruel and dirty). Would have had more individuality that way and entered a niche that isn't really occupied yet instead of trying to rival the largest established mmo around.
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Micheal Dietrich
Caldari
Terradyne Networks
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Posted - 2008.07.16 15:19:00 -
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Edited by: Micheal Dietrich on 16/07/2008 15:20:19
I think this will be the straw that breaks the camels back for me. I've been patient as hell with this game and EA Mythic and as much as I love fantasy warhammer I am not playing a half ass'd game. Think I'll save my money for Earthrise.
EDIT: Anyone that knows mythic knows that this shit is actually quite common for them.
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2008.07.16 15:47:00 -
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Originally by: Abrazzar
WHO seems to the WoW2 from what I've seen on videos. They shouldn't have went in the Warhammer Fantasy Battle direction (shiny, colorful, boast-some-more) but instead the Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay direction (dark, forbidding, cruel and dirty). Would have had more individuality that way and entered a niche that isn't really occupied yet instead of trying to rival the largest established mmo around.
My thoughts exactly, fear and the relentless rolling of rollplayers got the better of them.
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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Arvald
Caldari
Ninja's N Pirate's
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Posted - 2008.07.16 15:53:00 -
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aaaaaand there goes all my will to play warhammer online -_-
Originally by: Siddy
APERANTLY GEED PEE VEE PEE PLAYAS!!111
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Zak Zerachiel
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.07.16 17:30:00 -
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Originally by: Meiyang Lee
Originally by: Keta Min
Edited by: Keta Min on 16/07/2008 12:43:33
That said, THQ is working on a 40K MMO, but they only started on it early this year, so it'll be a few years before we see it.
Oh god...
*spooge*
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Meiyang Lee
Gallente
Azteca Transportation Unlimited
Gunboat Diplomacy
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Posted - 2008.07.16 17:57:00 -
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Originally by: Zak Zerachiel
Originally by: Meiyang Lee
Originally by: Keta Min
Edited by: Keta Min on 16/07/2008 12:43:33
That said, THQ is working on a 40K MMO, but they only started on it early this year, so it'll be a few years before we see it.
Oh god...
*spooge*
The Press Release
Ok, not early this year, early last year.  March 2007.
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F'nog
Amarr
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Celestial Industrial Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.16 20:54:00 -
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This reminds me of EnB's launch. None of the stuff that was cut ever made it back into the game before EA closed it down in favor of The Sims Online.
Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari
F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
Originally by: Chribba
Go F'nog! You're a hero! Not a Zero!  /me bows
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Straight Chillen
Gallente
Solar Wind
Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service
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Posted - 2008.07.16 20:56:00 -
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lets not talk about earth and beyond, some people are still hurt by all that
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mentalmonkey
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2008.07.16 21:08:00 -
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Originally by: Straight Chillen
lets not talk about earth and beyond, some people are still hurt by all that
do you want a hug ?
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2008.07.16 22:40:00 -
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Originally by: Straight Chillen
lets not talk about earth and beyond, some people are still hurt by all that
allright! instead lets talk about earthbound 64!
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oh wait 
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F'nog
Amarr
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Celestial Industrial Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.18 05:14:00 -
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Originally by: Straight Chillen
lets not talk about earth and beyond, some people are still hurt by all that
Yeah, they're called the several hundred founding members of my corp.
Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari
F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
Originally by: Chribba
Go F'nog! You're a hero! Not a Zero! /me bows
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari
Omerta Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.07.18 06:14:00 -
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could they make it sound any less like some generic fantasy MMO?
I look at that and I don't see Warhammer there at all.
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Faekurias
Black Legion Command
Red Dawn Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.18 08:18:00 -
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Not buying half a game, that's for sure
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Kazuma Saruwatari
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.07.18 08:27:00 -
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I had a feeling WAR was going to flop before it launched. I'm not surprised that this news proved I was right
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Eszencia
Amarr
Equilibrium Inc.
FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.07.18 12:43:00 -
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Originally by: Danton Marcellus
Originally by: Abrazzar
WHO seems to the WoW2 from what I've seen on videos. They shouldn't have went in the Warhammer Fantasy Battle direction (shiny, colorful, boast-some-more) but instead the Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay direction (dark, forbidding, cruel and dirty). Would have had more individuality that way and entered a niche that isn't really occupied yet instead of trying to rival the largest established mmo around.
My thoughts exactly, fear and the relentless rolling of rollplayers got the better of them.
Definately this. The PnP occupational system for warhammer fantasy was imo superior to all the d20 stuff that went on back when I used to play that kind of thing. Rat-catcher ftw :)
Oh, and Hi Abz!
Esz.
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