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BiggestT Caldari Fun Inc	Posted - 2008.07.16 13:42:00 - [31] Originally by: CrayC Originally by: BiggestT ok, hey look my raven is a laser boat coz it has turret slots look at the bonus's fool :P If you look at the bonus, why are you fitting lasers on a Raven then? But my point was, more ships than just one or two from Gallente can fit launchers. If you wanna play it by bonus, then only the Nemesis should have launchers. On the same note, why does the Raven have turrets, when it's a missileboat? Oh, diversity, you say? Right. Made my point even clearer, thanks dude you are digging ur self deeper dude, u may be right in that gallente/caldari ships have launcher/turret fittings although there bonus's are for weither type, however ur missing something. You said that gallente need to train missiles. They dont. Got it? poudly annoying fc's since 2007
Pax Empyrean	Posted - 2008.07.16 14:21:00 - [32] Only an idiot puts missiles on a Gallente ship, and ewar isn't required for any race at all; only a few specialized ships. The Rokh is fine as a hybrid gun boat. Not everybody uses missiles all the time. Minmatar have the toughest requirements because their ships are almost entirely split between turrets and missiles, as well as the shield/armor tanking. If you have great missile skills and no gunnery you can fly a Raven perfectly but not a Rokh. You have fewer ship choices, but you're not crippled in the ships you can fly. If you're flying Minmatar and you don't have both turret and missile skills, pretty much any ship you fly is going to be at least a little gimped. Not to mention that almost all of their ships have at least moderate drone capability, so missing drone skills will hurt Minmatar a lot more than, say, Caldari.
Haradgrim Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION	Posted - 2008.07.16 14:31:00 - [33] The OP is missing one considerably important point: Kestrel/Merlin >> Caracal/Moa >>> Drake/Ferox >>>> Raven/Rokh -- Originally by: CCP Oveur ...every forum whine feels like a baby pony is getting killed
Dr Fighter	Posted - 2008.07.16 14:33:00 - [34] Originally by: Haradgrim The OP is missing one considerably important point: Kestrel/Merlin >> Caracal/Moa >>> Drake/Ferox >>>> Raven/Rokh apart from the drake and the ferox are the wrong way round in terms of teir, the ferox should have the big tank and the drake more specialised with missiles.
Staggerr	Posted - 2008.07.16 15:10:00 - [35] Caldari = Missiles and hybrids. Gallente = Drones and hybrids. Amarr = Layzurs. Minmatar = Projectiles and missiles. If you want a better missile boat than the Raven, get a CNR or a Golem.
Hannobaal Gallente Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2008.07.16 16:08:00 - [36] Originally by: Dr Fighter Originally by: Haradgrim The OP is missing one considerably important point: Kestrel/Merlin >> Caracal/Moa >>> Drake/Ferox >>>> Raven/Rokh apart from the drake and the ferox are the wrong way round in terms of teir, the ferox should have the big tank and the drake more specialised with missiles. With the Drake and Ferox, both of them are very heavy tankers. So, the Ferox is still line with the other rail ships with its range and resistance bonus. It's just the Drake that isn't in line with the other missile ships with a resistance instead of a range bonus (probably done that way to try and avoid stepping on the Cerberus toes). --------------- I'm not as think as you drunk I am.
Arvald Caldari Ninja's N Pirate's	Posted - 2008.07.16 16:09:00 - [37] get the stick -_- Originally by: Siddy APERANTLY GEED PEE VEE PEE PLAYAS!!111 im in your forums, derailing your threads
Mobius 1 Caldari	Posted - 2008.07.16 16:43:00 - [38] The Rokh does not do way way way less damage than the raven, a blaster Rokh fitted properly can top 1000 DPS, but if it were a better missile boat than the Raven, it would have to be completely overpowered to make a difference, and make the Raven pretty much obsolete.
Haradgrim Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION	Posted - 2008.07.16 17:30:00 - [39] Edited by: Haradgrim on 16/07/2008 17:31:34 Edited by: Haradgrim on 16/07/2008 17:31:06 Originally by: Dr Fighter Originally by: Haradgrim The OP is missing one considerably important point: Kestrel/Merlin >> Caracal/Moa >>> Drake/Ferox >>>> Raven/Rokh apart from the drake and the ferox are the wrong way round in terms of teir, the ferox should have the big tank and the drake more specialised with missiles. Missile/Hybrid >> Missile/Hybrid >>> Missile/Hybrid >>>> Missile/Hybrid Clear now? edit: forgot earlier >> cerb/eagle >>> nighthawk/vulture>>etc -- Originally by: CCP Oveur ...every forum whine feels like a baby pony is getting killed
Derek Sigres	Posted - 2008.07.16 17:45:00 - [40] Originally by: Edriahn I do not want a better missile boat than raven. We may all agree that we really don't need a 110 million ISK boat that can mount 7 cruise/torp launchers and a monster buffer, quickly becoming the undisputed master of melting things in small gang combat, but I would like to see a missile ship of battleship class that doesn't look like it was designed by a 5 year old (the wings aren't symetrical, engines are randomly stuck on, it appears it has a ****pit in spite of its 7400 man crew compliment, and antennae appear to be randomly stuck on along with flashing lights that don't really seem to indicate anything in particular). In my book the Rokh is a fantastic ship for a number or reasons: 1) Nice thick buffer/active tank 2) Turrets > Missiles much of the time 3) Looks like a ship meant to end worlds

Haradgrim Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION	Posted - 2008.07.16 17:51:00 - [41] Edited by: Haradgrim on 16/07/2008 17:53:24 Edited by: Haradgrim on 16/07/2008 17:53:03 Edited by: Haradgrim on 16/07/2008 17:51:59 Originally by: Derek Sigres Originally by: Edriahn I do not want a better missile boat than raven. We may all agree that we really don't need a 110 million ISK boat that can mount 7 cruise/torp launchers and a monster buffer, quickly becoming the undisputed master of melting things in small gang combat, but I would like to see a missile ship of battleship class that doesn't look like it was designed by a 5 year old (the wings aren't symetrical, engines are randomly stuck on, it appears it has a **pit in spite of its 7400 man crew compliment, and antennae appear to be randomly stuck on along with flashing lights that don't really seem to indicate anything in particular). In my book the Rokh is a fantastic ship for a number or reasons: 1) Nice thick buffer/active tank 2) Turrets > Missiles much of the time 3) Looks like a ship meant to end worlds I agree about the Rokh, probably my favorite looking ship in the game. It looks sort of how I always pictued Darksabre (from the Star Wars novel of the same name), only a bit smaller. I wish it had a similar weapons system though As for the Raven, I'm in the small minority that thinks it looks pretty cool, reminds me of the Shadow ships from Babylon 5. My only gripe is that they shrunk the bridge like structure on the front right side (if behind it) when they redid it for the Trinity models. I always liked thinking that it was a command structure like what real BS and Carriers have in reality, now that front piece looks like a pit which is sorrt of dumb. EDIT: Its pretty fracking rediculous that a spaceship game's forums don't allow you to post c()ckpit! -- Originally by:** CCP Oveur ...every forum whine feels like a baby pony is getting killed
Ess Erbe Caldari Dromedary Goat Albatross and Fish Big Bang Quantum	Posted - 2008.07.19 11:06:00 - [42] Think of the children, man! The Trinity Raven is at least not horribly horrible looking, but just "meh", unlike its older sibling. Rokh looks like it should fit a co-axial 2100mm (or thereabouts) railgun along its entire length. Or it looks like a surprise sex train.
KISOGOKU	Posted - 2008.07.19 11:26:00 - [43] Edited by: KISOGOKU on 19/07/2008 11:27:17 No it isnot ,look to other tier3 BSs again and tell me which one bring new thing on the table except rokh?It is designed to be a gunboat since beginning ,i still remember threads how badly caldari needed a turret BS for fleet fights and CCP gave it . Originally by: Oreo Mon Come on. I wasnt whineing here. It just is strange.
Tyrael Primus Paxton Industries Paxton Federation	Posted - 2008.07.19 11:33:00 - [44] I believe it is Tier 3 BS. Btw I fly most Amarr ships and shield tanking and missiles are not necessary if you avoid stealth bombers but drones are a great boost for the geddon or recon so I'd count them in the Amarr skillset.
Imaos	Posted - 2008.07.19 14:04:00 - [45] Originally by: Roguehalo Missiles suck at pvp so CCP gave us the Rokh to 'help us out' Can you explain where you got all your fine insight? Quote: But of course what they should have done is kept all 3 BSes as missile boats and fixed missiles Kept? There were only 2 and no rail-sniper like in the other ship classes. So caldari got the missing ship and the missing role. Also the missiles themselves aren't the problem. The problem is the amplification of speed from rigs and modules. Quote: Ofc misiles were originally nerfed cos missions were to easy Which missile nerf was based on mission running? The torp 'nerf'? Or the much earlier missile 'nerfs' which were needed too balance them? (And did almost nothing to PvE, but PvP) Quote: Ofc they should just have made missions harder Of course you are off course. Make missions harder because ONE weapon system makes them too easy would make it impossible for every other weapon system if you would make the mission harder. In essence: This 'balancing' would bring ravens as the only mission ship. Quote: CCP often finds it very difficult to engage in logical trains of thought. At least their trains follow a track unlike yours. Imaos ------------------------------------------ Originally by: NoNah My friend, this is EVE, as it's a space oriented game, they couldn't have trolls. We have Caldari.
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2008.07.19 15:11:00 - [46] Originally by: Staggerr Caldari = Missiles and hybrids and shields. Gallente = Drones and hybrids and armor. Amarr = Layzurs and missiles and drones and armor (shield for very few). Minmatar = Projectiles and missiles and drones and shield and armor. Fixed


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