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Zhou Yu
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Posted - 2008.07.16 20:14:00 -
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Read this crap link
As far as i know virgin media are the only cable provider in the uk after they acquired the other two. Now before you say 'get adsl' i live in an area that has very poor lines to the local exchange and can bearly manage a 1mb adsl connection with random disconnections every 30 minutes or so.
So I guess i'm completely screwed?
Virgin beat their chest about how they are rolling out 20Mb, well what the hell is the point if you can't enjoy it between 4pm and midnight????? Thats like having a Ferrari and only being able to drive it at 5mph or when no one is about!!!
I don't care about these new metrosexual 'starbucks' type of net user that only want to check thier 'cool' email. I want torrents, I want downloads, I want mad speed and most importantly of all I want unfugged bandwidth for my online gamesplaying.
Throttling is the worst thing since net censorship, "this video is not available in your area" SINCE WHEN!!!!!!? I WATCHED IT LAST WEEK!
We're loosing the net dammit, give it 3 years and i bet you wont be able to even visit google without entering your credit card details.
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Zhou Yu
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.07.16 20:14:00 -
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Read this crap link
As far as i know virgin media are the only cable provider in the uk after they acquired the other two. Now before you say 'get adsl' i live in an area that has very poor lines to the local exchange and can bearly manage a 1mb adsl connection with random disconnections every 30 minutes or so.
So I guess i'm completely screwed?
Virgin beat their chest about how they are rolling out 20Mb, well what the hell is the point if you can't enjoy it between 4pm and midnight????? Thats like having a Ferrari and only being able to drive it at 5mph or when no one is about!!!
I don't care about these new metrosexual 'starbucks' type of net user that only want to check thier 'cool' email. I want torrents, I want downloads, I want mad speed and most importantly of all I want unfugged bandwidth for my online gamesplaying.
Throttling is the worst thing since net censorship, "this video is not available in your area" SINCE WHEN!!!!!!? I WATCHED IT LAST WEEK!
We're loosing the net dammit, give it 3 years and i bet you wont be able to even visit google without entering your credit card details.
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mentalmonkey
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2008.07.16 20:54:00 -
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Thoose bands are horrible, 1 GB of download is nothing these days? where is the point in 20Meg broadband if you can even use it at peak times when downloading files which arn't THAT big.
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Doctor Fruitloop
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Posted - 2008.07.16 20:56:00 -
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You say 20Meg because thats obviously better than the 1Meg connection - even if they both have a 1Gig allowance and you never get to use the "up to 20Meg" connection beyond 1Meg.
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente
Lyrus Associates
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.07.16 20:59:00 -
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Yeah is always ****es me off when ISPs boast of being able to deliver insane speeds, and then don't deliver even a quarter of it. I use an 8Mb/s service with BT broadband, and the fastest speed I have ever downloaded something over that line is 2Mb/s (about 250KB/s). And that's not in peak time either!
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Zubenelgenubi
Priory Of The Lemon
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.07.16 21:03:00 -
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yeh Virgin blows now.
It's throttled hardcore from 5pm ish to 11pm ish for me (100-120kb/s)
Full speed is a shade under 500
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Amarr
MisFunk Inc.
Daisho Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.07.16 21:16:00 -
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I can understand if they have a problem with any customer downloading all day long every day, that can be a drain on other people on that persons config. However, if for the sake of argument, you have to dl eve client (750+ mb), I cant understand why you should be punished by being throttled because of it. Virgin really are beginning to sUck big time atm.
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lofty29
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.07.16 21:18:00 -
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Originally by: ReaperOfSly
Yeah is always ****es me off when ISPs boast of being able to deliver insane speeds, and then don't deliver even a quarter of it. I use an 8Mb/s service with BT broadband, and the fastest speed I have ever downloaded something over that line is 2Mb/s (about 250KB/s). And that's not in peak time either!
You realize that they say 'Up to'
Some people get the full 8mb, most don't. Fact of life, get over it.
As for virgin choking the bandwidth, that's the least of your worries. They're threatening to disregard net-neutrality altogether. Go read up on that.
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Meiyang Lee
Gallente
Azteca Transportation Unlimited
Gunboat Diplomacy
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Posted - 2008.07.16 21:20:00 -
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As far as I understand it, the main problem in the UK is the rather aged infrastructure all that traffic has to go through, it simply can't handle all the traffic being generated. But instead of doing the smart thing and investing to upgrade the infrastructure as a long term solution they're throttling everyone's bandwidth. Not the smartest marketing move in the book, but with an almost total monopoly, nobody can stop them unfortunately.
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Phunotos
Minmatar
Fuzzy Bunny Slipper wearing Coca Cola Cowboys
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Posted - 2008.07.16 21:52:00 -
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I'm glad that I pay 34$ a month for 50mb line and no throttling what so ever, and if i were to d/l the Eve Client By the time i chose where on the HD i want to D/l it to, its already done haha
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Kirjava
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2008.07.16 22:02:00 -
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Originally by: Meiyang Lee
As far as I understand it, the main problem in the UK is the rather aged infrastructure all that traffic has to go through, it simply can't handle all the traffic being generated. But instead of doing the smart thing and investing to upgrade the infrastructure as a long term solution they're throttling everyone's bandwidth. Not the smartest marketing move in the book, but with an almost total monopoly, nobody can stop them unfortunately.
The UK made its telephone network just about the best in the world, and state owned which at the time meant pretty damned near impossible to outcompete in terms of reliability.
In walks Margaret Thatcher, and flogs the thing on the stock market along with other things that the nation once owned....
BT worked and worked well - as owned by the government.
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Meiyang Lee
Gallente
Azteca Transportation Unlimited
Gunboat Diplomacy
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Posted - 2008.07.16 22:10:00 -
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I don't think I said it didn't use to be good, just that it isn't at the moment.
It is a shame that these days even the concept of a "state owned" business is considered a bad idea, because it has so many advantages over the current privatised ones. Reliability being just one of them.
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Heinkel facility
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.07.16 22:40:00 -
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I got 5mbs up and 512kbs down and I always have 4950kbs bandwith no matter the day :P
Ah, the joy of living in suburbs :)
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Sniper Wolf18
Gallente
Apocalypse Ponies
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Posted - 2008.07.17 04:09:00 -
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Edited by: Sniper Wolf18 on 17/07/2008 04:10:24
Seriously
Virgin advertise "high speed limitless broadband" not "high speed limitless broadband so your email pops up .01 of a second faster and you can download a song in 5 seconds but no downloading anything bigger than 1Gb or then we will spank you"
They also monitor what you download and send you warning letters if you are an ebil piwat and download songs.
virgin are fast turning into tyrants and someone needs to put a hot soldering iron into their CEO's eyes....
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Galk
Gallente
Autumn Tactics
All the things she said
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Posted - 2008.07.17 04:57:00 -
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Virgin is definately one of those things worth crying about atm.
Life wasn't so/as bad when they just halfed your speed between 4-9... it rarely happend anyway, easy to plan things around, if inconvient at times.
few months later, they extended that to cut you to less than a mb, now worse again... they even kill your speed during the daylight hrs if you down from usenet ect.... making subs to services like giganews ect virtualy useless.
The worst of it is, just about everything you want to do these days (legaly) ps3 network, bbc's i player, skys vault ect.... you just can't do it in the evening when you want to... forget patches/demo's ect.. small afterthought anyway... it's just things like the ps3/i player that realy cheese me off... only realy/can use them while at home at night after work while awake to the world:/
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Dantes Revenge
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.07.17 07:10:00 -
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I have a bug in my ear about the "fair useage policy" for a long time. This enables ISP's to give you slow speeds with the excuse that it's allowing other low use users to get a decent speed. If they are such 'low use users', they don't really care about fast speeds because generally, they are just checking emails and chatting on MSN etc. So they wait another two seconds for their text only email, what's the big deal? It doesn't affect other things they do because they hardly use a tenth of the speed of their broadband anyway, I remember doing that stuff on a 14.4 modem without any problems.
What it boils down to is money. They want your cash but are not prepared to update their service to cope with the large number of users they have. It would be like CCP trying to run the Eve server on a single PC because they don't want to fork out the money to buy a second PC and link them together to give their users better performance. But they are always happy to take your subs for the game. More and more people are playing online games, downloading game patches, listening to music from downloads and even watching downloaded TV programmes. This amounts to a huge increase in the amount of data now being downloaded by users every day. When you consider BBC Iplayer alone, 3 or 4 hundred meg for a single 45 minute programme is huge difference in the amount of data downloaded a few years ago.
IMO, Virgin and a great majority of the IPS's in the UK are guilty of false advertising. There is no way on earth their service is anywhere near the stated speed due to bandwidth throttling, bottlenecks in their own service between you and the backbone and also servers that were previously owned by Noah to keep track of the animals on his ark. The only reason they get away with it is because they say the words "up to" so if you just happen to get slower speeds, you are just one of the unlucky ones. There is absolutely nothing you can do about it because you can't actually prove that they are not giving 20mb to a majority of their users. The amount of complaints suggest they are not but in a court, that is classed as hearsay and not proven facts.
Consumer protection sucks, time and times again, we are being screwed over and we get absolutely squat by way of protection against sharks, especially when they are big companies like Virgin Media.
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari
Omerta Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.07.17 07:14:00 -
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Originally by: Zubenelgenubi
yeh Virgin blows now.
It's throttled hardcore from 5pm ish to 11pm ish for me (100-120kb/s)
Full speed is a shade under 500
ADSL ones do much worse
Between 8am-6pm I can't get more than 10kb/s from any p2p app whatsoever.  goddamn Talktalk.
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Fink Angel
Caldari
The Merry Men
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Posted - 2008.07.17 12:53:00 -
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I pay the ú37 a month for the 20Mb service and am about to drop back. All the fast service does is lets me get to the cap quicker.
And as far as I can make out, if you get your connection throttled at 20:59 it stays throttled for 5 hours, so the bit about freeing up badwidth for other customers is total rubbish. It's punishment!
Oh, and the cheapest package gets throttled by 50% but all the other by 75%. Shocking! 
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domelicious1
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Posted - 2008.07.17 12:55:00 -
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Virgin Media are pants. I've been complaining about their service, at a minimum, of once a month....they don't care, never did, never will.
Am seriously considering other suppliers. Maybe if enough of us (UK only) get together as a group we could negotiate a group discount on broadband......more powerful in numbers..
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Fink Angel
Caldari
The Merry Men
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Posted - 2008.07.17 13:01:00 -
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Oh, and just ni case you wonder where their loyaltlies lie, can anyone help me with the following conundrum
1) The Virgin website advertises to me that it will take me 2 seconds to download a music track. http://allyours.virginmedia.com/websales/service.do?id=2
2) However they very quickly bend over and do the bidding of the BPI and send letters to 800 of their customers: http://www.out-law.com/page-9180
It strikes me as very hypocritical.
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mppnkey
Gallente
Trench coat mafia
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Posted - 2008.07.17 13:50:00 -
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$60 AUD no contract, cancel anytime, 24mb/s in 3mb/s out DSLAM.
its goes pretty good
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Dantes Revenge
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.07.17 14:50:00 -
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Originally by: domelicious1
Virgin Media are pants. I've been complaining about their service, at a minimum, of once a month....they don't care, never did, never will.
Am seriously considering other suppliers. Maybe if enough of us (UK only) get together as a group we could negotiate a group discount on broadband......more powerful in numbers..
It's actually a possibility if enough in the UK get together we could negotiate a connection with a backbone provider and skip the ISP's altogether. A dedicated connection to the internet backbone would do nicely thanks
With enough interest shown by the general public, I am sure a deal could be struck so that we would effectively be service providers, dealing with the backbone companies ourselves but without customers. If that happened and enough people jumped on the bandwagon, I am sure the exisiting service providers would soon change their policy.
Last time I checked in 1995, a T1 as it was then was 32 grand a year but I guess the backbone providers have revised that considerably since the mid 90's and it would be a lot cheaper now than it was then. Faster speeds, no throttling and the ability to share the line with x number of your neighbours (to share the cost of the line) with no appreciable loss of speed. I wonder if it can really be done.
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Kappas.
Galaxy Punks
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Posted - 2008.07.17 21:42:00 -
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Trouble is, Average Joe doesn't know about things like traffic shaping and net neutrality.
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