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w0rmy The Wild Hunt Pure.	Posted - 2008.07.18 01:07:00 - [1] When the t20 issue happened, we were all promised by CCP that this kind of thing would never happen again... CCP gave us tribbles. We also all remember issues with GM's spawning themselves faction gear, but messing up and getting caught... CCP gave us tribbles. We have all heard the stories about 'Alliance B' having access to 'Priority proxies' and using said prioritised proxies to gain unfair fleet battle advantages over 'Alliance I' by the reduction in lag thats caused. In responce to these alligations, CCP gave us yet more Tribbles. So my questions are as follows: Are the CSM team happy, that procedures put in place, by CCP to prevent T20/GM spawning faction loot type issues from happening again, are adequate and working Do prioritised Nodes/connections/proxies/whatever word theyre called exist, and if so, are the CSM happy that the measures in place are adequate to prevent their abuse? eg: What stops a GM from using said priorised connection from home Now you may think my questions are pointless, but they relate to some of the biggest issues to ever occur in EVE, and I for one, would like to hear a non CCP voice on the matters. After all, when the idea of the CSM was announced by CCP (Some years ago) it was issues like these that the CSM was stated it would be able to address. So for once, a non CCP voice to either confirm or quell these rumours would be appreciated. Originally by: CCP Oveur I'm very sorry w0rmy, I beg your forgiveness. Originally by: Dianabolic I was never sworn to secrecy, w0rmy, sorry to dissappoint you.
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.07.18 01:20:00 - [2] Awe bless w0rmy, you are an odd one. Eve-Online: The Text Adventure
Thorradin State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.07.18 02:05:00 - [3] Edited by: Thorradin on 18/07/2008 02:05:01 Tribbles are awesome, aren't they those furry things from Star Trek that kept multiplying? Also, the GM spawning faction gear was something that came up before the T20 thing, and I'm pretty sure CCP said what happened with the guy. I'd love to hear more about the proxy stuff, it sounds like some Grade A tinfoil hattery.
w0rmy The Wild Hunt Pure.	Posted - 2008.07.18 03:40:00 - [4] Edited by: w0rmy on 18/07/2008 03:44:27 Originally by: Thorradin Also, the GM spawning faction gear was something that came up before the T20 thing, and I'm pretty sure CCP said what happened with the guy. Im not interested in what happened with the guy... Im interested in the procedures CCP stated they put in place to prevent these types of events happening again. Its one thing for a CCP rep to say "We have put procedures in place to prevent this happening again" its another for those procedures to have actually been implimented and to actually be being used/working. And yes, im sure it may be Grade A tinfoil hattery... But the CSM are our reps, and this is a rumour id like to see quelled or confirmed once and for all. Originally by: Avon Awe bless w0rmy, you are an odd one. Maybe so, but wouldnt it be nice to have these things put to rest finally? To have some form of confirmation that these 'secret' proxies even exist or not? To have it confirmed by the CSM that these policies (which go towards protecting YOu and me) have actually been put in place? Originally by: CCP Oveur I'm very sorry w0rmy, I beg your forgiveness. Originally by: Dianabolic I was never sworn to secrecy, w0rmy, sorry to dissappoint you.
w00kie House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2008.07.18 05:32:00 - [5] Priority proxies? LOL!
Scatim Helicon GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.07.18 06:41:00 - [6] :cripes: Anyway, if you check the accounts of the CSM visit to Iceland, they went out of their way to grill Internal Affairs about the things that are done these days to make sure employees and GMs behave themselves. You're not going to get any of the details though because they're covered by NDAs. -----------
Sunwillow Auryn	Posted - 2008.07.18 07:00:00 - [7] Originally by: w0rmy Now you may think my questions are pointless, but they relate to some of the biggest issues to ever occur in EVE... Personally, I couldn't care less about any of them What is it I keep getting rammed down my throat? Oh yes... EVE isn't fair. Get over it.
LaVista Vista	Posted - 2008.07.18 07:09:00 - [8] 1. We had a talk with the head of internal affairs during out time at Iceland. And they really seem to be trying their best to avoid situations like T20 and things. 2. Whut? WTS Tinfoil hat.
fuze InfoMorph Services Ltd	Posted - 2008.07.18 08:56:00 - [9] Originally by: LaVista Vista And they really seem to be trying their best to avoid situations like T20 and things. Assumption is the mother of all f'ups.
Esmenet Gallente	Posted - 2008.07.18 10:11:00 - [10] Yes we really need more tinfoil hattery.

w0rmy The Wild Hunt Pure.	Posted - 2008.07.18 11:11:00 - [11] Originally by: w00kie Priority proxies? LOL! LOL is assuming these things dont exist. No smart engineer, leaves the customers route as the only means to access their services, no smart engineer! Which suggests that their are alternate methods to connect to the servers, so enquiring as to whether these alternate methods are policed at all, isnt a LOL question. LOL is you not realising these things are common place. Originally by: Sunwillow Auryn What is it I keep getting rammed down my throat? Oh yes... EVE isn't fair. Get over it. Theres a difference between your hauler getting ganked in empire and a GM spawning gear for himself. Originally by: LaVista Vista 1. We had a talk with the head of internal affairs during out time at Iceland. And they really seem to be trying their best to avoid situations like T20 and things. Best to avoid them happening? Best to avoid them becoming public? (Considering it was hiden an denied for months beforehand) As mentioned above theres stuff you cant say... But I never once stated I wanted details on how they prevent these kinds of events happening again, I completely understand that the procedures put in place, if any have been, arent even known by the GM's... Which is why I am asking... "Are the CSM team happy, that procedures put in place by CCP to prevent T20/GM spawning faction loot type issues from happening again, are adequate and working" ...which is a question that has never been answered. I also feel its a resonable one to ask, considering the incident mentioned was a major force behind the implimenting of the CSM. Originally by: CCP Oveur I'm very sorry w0rmy, I beg your forgiveness. Originally by: Dianabolic I was never sworn to secrecy, w0rmy, sorry to dissappoint you.
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.07.18 11:22:00 - [12] Originally by: w0rmy Originally by: Avon Awe bless w0rmy, you are an odd one. Maybe so, but wouldnt it be nice to have these things put to rest finally? If they promised everything was fine you still wouldn't believe them, so what's the point? Eve-Online: The Text Adventure
csebal HUN Corp. HUN Reloaded	Posted - 2008.07.18 15:01:00 - [13] Edited by: csebal on 18/07/2008 15:01:43 Originally by: w0rmy When the t20 issue happened... Dude, are you really not over that yet, or just try to build some steam up against alliance B again, by bringing up ancient history? Originally by: w0rmy We also all remember issues with GM's spawning themselves faction gear, but messing up and getting caught... We? As in you and your buddies from the institute? Originally by: w0rmy We have all heard the stories about 'Alliance B' having access to 'Priority proxies' and using said prioritised proxies to gain unfair fleet battle advantages over 'Alliance I' by the reduction in lag thats caused. I've heard stories that did involve you and a horse. I'm sure tho, that reciting those stories would not be appropriate here and i suspect that there is little truth in those stories to be honest. Still, they are stories. We can have an event some day and share these stories with eachother if you want. Originally by: w0rmy Are the CSM team happy, that procedures put in place, by CCP to prevent T20/GM spawning faction loot type issues from happening again, are adequate and working I didnt see this on the board before they went to iceland, so i guess you are a tad late with that question. You should have thought about this question sooner and you should have used the proper channel for the CSM to bring this question with them. They might not be that obsessed with this part of history as you are. Originally by: w0rmy Do prioritised Nodes/connections/proxies/whatever word theyre called exist, and if so, are the CSM happy that the measures in place are adequate to prevent their abuse? eg: What stops a GM from using said priorised connection from home Same as above. My advice to you: Instead of writing speeches and questioning the CSM, you should try what most other EVE citizens manage to do: Bring up a proper issue and gather enough support for it so the CSM will have to take the issue to CCP. Originally by: w0rmy Now you may think my questions are pointless, but they relate to some of the biggest issues to ever occur in EVE, and I for one, would like to hear a non CCP voice on the matters. After all, when the idea of the CSM was announced by CCP (Some years ago) it was issues like these that the CSM was stated it would be able to address. Biggest is a realtive term. I would definitely not call this the biggest issue in EVE. If you are so curious in finding out these things, then i offer my support for you whenever you decide to start an issue for it. Not that i care that much myself, but if it can help to put the minds of some to rest, then i sure will help. Just one thing: The issue should not contain hints at alliances, persons and past events. I do not like people using the CSM as a toy for their in game political agendas. These questions can easily be formulated without stepping on anyone's toe. Originally by: w0rmy Originally by: LaVista Vista 1. We had a talk with the head of internal affairs during out time at Iceland. And they really seem to be trying their best to avoid situations like T20 and things. Best to avoid them happening? Best to avoid them becoming public? (Considering it was hiden an denied for months beforehand) Whats wrong in not telling about it? CCP said they did deal with the issue back then, when they figured out, they just never made it public. I dont think, that making it public had anything good coming out of it, except for ruining CCP's reputation, which was the obvious goal of the people who brought this to light. Well, except for the formation of the CSM, which might either be good or bad.. this only the future will tell. My post does not represent the general or official opinion of anyone else besides me. No matter what YOU believe. Phear the arrows of the HUNs >>---->
Tarminic 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.07.18 15:13:00 - [14] Originally by: w0rmy We have all heard the stories about 'Alliance B' having access to 'Priority proxies' and using said prioritised proxies to gain unfair fleet battle advantages over 'Alliance I' by the reduction in lag thats caused. If by "we all" you mean the voices in your head, then yes. ---------------- Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.83 (Updated 7/3)
Scatim Helicon GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.07.18 17:49:00 - [15] Originally by: w0rmy Which is why I am asking... "Are the CSM team happy, that procedures put in place by CCP to prevent T20/GM spawning faction loot type issues from happening again, are adequate and working" ...which is a question that has never been answered. Originally by: LaVista Vista 1. We had a talk with the head of internal affairs during out time at Iceland. And they really seem to be trying their best to avoid situations like T20 and things. Oh hey look an answer to the "question that has never been answered". Stick around and in the next post I'll solve the meaning of life too! -----------
Dierdra Vaal	Posted - 2008.07.18 18:53:00 - [16] From our conversation with the internal affairs department, I for one am confident CCP does everything they can to prevent any abuse of special privileges. I was very impressed with their rules and ways they enforce them internally (something I cannot expand on unfortunately). As for your idea of 'priority nodes', while we didnt literally ask about it, it seems extremely unlikely to me that they even exist - and we got no indication from CCP that this would be incorrect. It seems a severe case of tinfoil hattery. Training Director :: EVE University CSM Representative
Tusko Hopkins HUN Corp. HUN Reloaded	Posted - 2008.07.19 15:09:00 - [17] I think if such "priority proxies" existed, that would mean that CCP is capable to do some kind of real time resource allocation. This would be great tbh. Would solve all our problems with fleet lag etc. But they cant solve these problems. This suggests that they are unable to affect server performance when the lag has already hit in. Therefore, there cant be priority proxies and stuff like that.... I think they would be very happy if they were able to do something like that, but their earlier dev blogs about the network architecture of eve suggest that such things can not really exist. I might be wrong of course. I wasn't there, did not check it. I just think that while the t20 problem was really something that could happen and happened, this priority thing is just some made-up urban legend. First alternate to CSM.


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