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meowcat	Posted - 2004.05.24 14:24:00 - [1] Can't seem to get this right My best so far is: 4x 250mm rails, 1 small smarty 1x mwd, 1x med cap booster, 1x med shield booster 4x 10% power whatnots, 1x cpu I have elec 4 and eng 5 my attempted blaster setup got me nearly fried can anyone improve on this? am doing missions mostly atm ps: MUST have MWD, gate approaches drive me insane without one ~~~~)\~~~~~\o/~~~~ yeah but no but yeah but no but
Pandora Panda	Posted - 2004.05.24 15:36:00 - [2] 4x 250mm Rails (Named, preferably) 1x 10mn MWD 1x Medium Shield Booster 1x Webber/NPC Appropriate Hardner 4x PDU 1x Mag Stab II You may run into CPU trouble with this setup if you dont have Weapon Upgrades 4. Most mission NPCs are easy if you keep 30-35k range with iridium, but loading antimatter and slugging it out is faster. -------------------------------------------- CONCORD: Kneecapping Pilots for Misdemeanors Since 2003
Shintoko Akahoshi	Posted - 2004.05.25 03:37:00 - [3] For NPCs/kill missions: 3 250mm rails 2 150mm rails MWD Medium shield booster (named booster is better) Some hardener (based on what you are fighting. It's hard to go wrong with EM or thermal, though) Mix of power diagnostics and co-processors, depending on skill. More PDUs and less co-processors are obviously better. Lots of people prefer 4x250mm setups, but I've always preferred 3x250's and 2 smaller guns. You don't have as hard of a time fitting them, plus the mix will serve you well if some npc frigates get too close/fast for your 250's to track. When you get into PvP, you'll probably want to change this to a blaster setup and swap the hardener for a webber. When you do, look hard and fast at ion blasters before you go nuts and try to fit all neutron blasters. There's no meaning to life when you cling only to common sense
Pandora Panda	Posted - 2004.05.25 06:22:00 - [4] Originally by: Shintoko Akahoshi Lots of people prefer 4x250mm setups, but I've always preferred 3x250's and 2 smaller guns. You don't have as hard of a time fitting them, plus the mix will serve you well if some npc frigates get too close/fast for your 250's to track. I'd have to disagree there. As long as you have a MWD, the range to mission NPCs is whatever you want it to be. Having 3 250s in optimal means that youll either have to load really terrible ammo into the 150s or forget about them. Plus it helps a lot when fighting some of the heavy missile spammers to fit a micro or small SB into the 5th highslot. Since 4x 250mm isnt that hard to fit with engineering 5, I wouldnt hamstring my damage output with 150s. -------------------------------------------- CONCORD: Kneecapping Pilots for Misdemeanors Since 2003
Rekiem	Posted - 2004.05.25 06:57:00 - [5] Edited by: Rekiem on 25/05/2004 07:01:18 From my experience, any setup with Thorax using a MWD is bad. So no matter what you try to fit, its always going to be horrible. I suggest the origal poster to learn how to use bookmark so you dont need a MWD to travel. A 10mn MWD eat too much powergrid and too much CPU, not too mention the horrible cap and shield decrease. Because you have MWD, you cripple your whole ship and your only option to have a longer range than the NPC. You can't fight anything that shoot missiles because of that. Now considering this, your best setup is probably this; Hi 4x 250mm rail Med 2 x Shield Hardeners 1 x Medium Shield Booster Low 2 x Cap Relay 1 x Power Diag 1 x Reactor Control Unit 1 x Magnetic Field Stabilzer I or II You can also try to fit five 250mm Rail by changing your low slot setup, but try to always keep the damage mod, its very usefull
Gail	Posted - 2004.05.25 07:38:00 - [6] Edited by: Gail on 25/05/2004 07:51:41 From my experience, any setup with Thorax using a MWD is bad. So no matter what you try to fit, its always going to be horrible. I suggest the origal poster to learn how to use bookmark so you dont need a MWD to travel. A 10mn MWD eat too much powergrid and too much CPU, not too mention the horrible cap and shield decrease. Because you have MWD, you cripple your whole ship and your only option to have a longer range than the NPC. You can't fight anything that shoot missiles because of that ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I am doing level 3 kill missions at the moment on Gallante side and using mostly Thorax for them. Doing them with this setup: Hi Slots: 3 x 250mm, (2 x Small Smartbomb II or whatever fits, energy drain por even 150mm rails) Med Slots: MWD, C5-L Medium (booster), Medium Azeotropic Ward Salubrity I (Extender) Low Slots: A lot different stuff, but usually at least 2 or 3 Power Cap Relays. I don't actually ever get shot at apart from that one pirate NPC called Ominafi and occasional long range wrecking shot from Mercenary Commander as they both have a long range setup. For rest, I simply play cat'n'mouse. I never get hit by any missiles unless its due to lag. Its all about timing your MWD bursts and optimising the range. The booster is there just as an insurance, extender as a compensation from use of MWD. Sometimes I do use 4 x Rails ( with 10MN AB/Hardener for EMP) for a change, but not even considering it when have to go against more than 1 Guardian Trooper at the time. I think what in general is wrong with the setup from original poster is that you will run out from cap very very fast. Hence it is better to actually go with less guns and more cap recharge. -------------------------------------
Bembledak Fistybuns	Posted - 2004.05.25 09:48:00 - [7] --- Offical Best set-up for Thorax --- 4 x 250 Scouts Medium Nosferatu EM Ward Cap Recharge I Med Shield Booster 2 or Medium C5L Mag Stabilizer Power Diogs Ogres, Preators or wasps..... take your pick
Shintoko Akahoshi	Posted - 2004.05.25 13:28:00 - [8] Originally by: Pandora Panda Originally by: Shintoko Akahoshi Lots of people prefer 4x250mm setups, but I've always preferred 3x250's and 2 smaller guns. You don't have as hard of a time fitting them, plus the mix will serve you well if some npc frigates get too close/fast for your 250's to track. I'd have to disagree there. As long as you have a MWD, the range to mission NPCs is whatever you want it to be. Having 3 250s in optimal means that youll either have to load really terrible ammo into the 150s or forget about them. Plus it helps a lot when fighting some of the heavy missile spammers to fit a micro or small SB into the 5th highslot. Since 4x 250mm isnt that hard to fit with engineering 5, I wouldnt hamstring my damage output with 150s. Personally, I've had some bad experiences with MWDing warp scrambling npc frigates, which makes me distrust using the MWD while fighting. The ability to take those things out when they pop up close to me is, IMO, the main reason for fitting a couple of small turrets. My strategy when using a Thorax against npcs has always emphasized survivability over raw damage output, and it's seemed to serve me pretty well. I'm not saying it's for everybody, but it's how I tend to fit for fighting npcs. Also, I don't use heavy drones against npcs. They just cost too much. It's lights, mediums or nothing for me. There's no meaning to life when you cling only to common sense
Grimpak	Posted - 2004.05.25 13:40:00 - [9] hi 3x 250mm rails 2x electron blaster med 1xshield booster 1xmwd 1xcap recharger low 2xPDU 2xRCU 1xdmg mod bay full of ogres with this I can tackle allot of npc's (setup not suited for pvp) and if they get too close I just take them out with the pair of blasters... anyways this is just a setup to me... and I am fine with it. ------------------- Quote: Fragm's Oversized Ego Cannon barely scratches the forums, inflicting omgnoonecares damage
The Pegasus	Posted - 2004.05.25 14:52:00 - [10] I prefer Hi: 4x 250mm Compressed Coil Guns 1x SMB Med: 1x AB II 1x Photon Scattering Field Low: 3x Overdrive Injector Systems 2x Power Diagostic Systems Gives u good speed (max 450m/sec with ABII), endless capacity and good dmg. _______________________________________________________________ [ 2004.04.14 12:26:17 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your 250mm 'Scout' I Accelerator Cannon perfectly strikes Guardian Initiate, wrecking for 172.8 damage.
Pandora Panda	Posted - 2004.05.25 17:10:00 - [11] Edited by: Pandora Panda on 25/05/2004 17:18:02 Edited by: Pandora Panda on 25/05/2004 17:17:14 Originally by: Shintoko Akahoshi Personally, I've had some bad experiences with MWDing warp scrambling npc frigates, which makes me distrust using the MWD while fighting. The ability to take those things out when they pop up close to me is, IMO, the main reason for fitting a couple of small turrets. ... Also, I don't use heavy drones against npcs. They just cost too much. It's lights, mediums or nothing for me. I always bring a full bay of wasps, but I only use them to take out frigates orbiting in close, then I put them away again. NPC cruisers tend to target drones first, and they are too expensive to lose for no real reason. Plus, on the off chance you get jumped in a belt by someone in a cruiser, they've got a good chance of letting you get out in one piece. Originally by: Rekiem From my experience, any setup with Thorax using a MWD is bad. So no matter what you try to fit, its always going to be horrible. I suggest the origal poster to learn how to use bookmark so you dont need a MWD to travel. A 10mn MWD eat too much powergrid and too much CPU, not too mention the horrible cap and shield decrease. Because you have MWD, you cripple your whole ship and your only option to have a longer range than the NPC. You can't fight anything that shoot missiles because of that. Ironically, I tend to feel that any thorax without a MWD is just a bit of bad luck away from an embarrased admission of loss to NPCs. While a MWD does knock shields and cap down, thats mostly offset by PDUs, and theres really no sacrifice of damage. What a MWD gives you is the ability to keep whatever distance you want from all but the highest NPC rats... which you shouldnt be hunting in a cruiser anyway. And since you can turn it off in space if you have an absolutely critical need for cap recharge, the biggest downside to it is the used midslot. -------------------------------------------- CONCORD: Kneecapping Pilots for Misdemeanors Since 2003
Nim Caslo	Posted - 2004.05.25 17:19:00 - [12] Best Thorax setup ever: 5x Miner2's AB and shield booster maybe. 3 CPU 2 Cargo Extenders 8x heavy drones that's the best thorax setup ever ==========================================
Skar	Posted - 2004.05.30 11:51:00 - [13] My setup for level 3 kill missions is as follows: High: 5x250mm rails (3 are named, 2 are basic) Mid: 2x cap rechargers(1 is 13% the other 12%) C5-L emergency shield booster Low: 2x reactor control units(+10% to grid) 3x power diagnostic units This ship can handle any lv 3 kill mission - i have taken on the 2 moa mission and with a number of warp outs(make sure you warp out before they get to about 15k they will scramble your warp) i have completed this mission(probably the hardest lv3 kill mission imo) I use antimatter and tungsten only - this suffices for me. Skar.
jamesw	Posted - 2004.05.30 23:43:00 - [14] I thought warping away from kill missions caused the pirates to completely respawn with full shields / armour. As to a Thorax setup... nothing beats blasters. Lvl3 kill missions with any of the 85k rats take under 30 seconds before they are dead. My original blaster setup was: 2 x neutron 3 x ion. I have been using 5 x Anode Electron blasters recently, and they are pretty awesome too. Medium and low slots can be used to hold your shield up, or tank your armour a bit. For pvp I would use an armour tank setup (so that you can fit a web and scrambler). For NPC I just use shield boost / hardener. -- jamesw Rubra Libertas Militia Originally by: RollinDutchMasters I fly a dominix, its like a portable blob in a can
Andarvi	Posted - 2004.05.31 06:09:00 - [15] I use: 4 x 250mm (named) 1 x Small sb (named) 1 x AB II 1 x Med Shield Booster 1 x Shield hardener 1 x int nano 3 x Power diags 1 x damage mod The top speed is not the best, but using AB II instead of MWD leaves me plenty of cap for shield boosting, plus any NPC that gets too close has to deal with my drones anyway. I used to fit a MWD, but the energy drain was too severe for my taste
Galen Brustar	Posted - 2004.05.31 23:30:00 - [16] NPC'ing setup 3 250 rails w/ iridium M 2 150 rails w/ antimatter S 1 Thermal hardener 1 Med Shield Booster 1 EM hardener 1 warpcore stab 1 Cap relay 1 dmg mod 1 tracking mod 1 small armor repairer This setup is nice because it has defense against most NPCs dmg types, is self sufficient in that it can up its shields and armor by itself w/o docking, and can run away from any NPC rats even if they have warp scramblers. The mix of 150 and 250 rails gives me coverage within several ranges and the 150s can still track targets up close. I also drop heavy drones if it comes to that as well. With the cap relay, I can maintain 1 hardener more or less forever and 2 for several minutes with all guns firing.
Kin Oreyn	Posted - 2004.06.01 01:35:00 - [17] For NPC hunting I go with: High: 3 named 250mm rails 1 150mm rail smartbomb, med if you can fit it Med: Medium Shield booster II EM hardner or appropriate for NPC damage 10mn mwd Low: 4 cap relays 1 tech II damage mod This has served me well and I was quite successfull as I can run the shield booster forever and only on rare occasions do spawns get through my shields (in 0.0)
Rhava	Posted - 2004.06.01 08:31:00 - [18] Edited by: Rhava on 01/06/2004 08:33:37 I'm a miner atm. Low skills in gunnery stuff. (1.4mil total.) So I thought thorax is best for me when doing lv3 agent missions. (With my drone skills.) High 5x dual 150 rail Med 1x Med cap battey 2x Cap recharger Low 3x Cap power relay 2x Medium repairer 8x Ogres Simple and maybe boring, but i survive against 85k + couple of 35k rats. I can keep both repairers on for long time. I warp in at 15k so don't have to travel forever. If i get hull damage I fit 2-3 med hull repairers temporary at station after mission. "A war dosn't tell who is right, only who is left."
Alowishus	Posted - 2004.06.01 08:50:00 - [19] Edited by: Alowishus on 01/06/2004 10:39:38 Consider the fact that 5x 150mm Rail will outdamage 3x 250mm and it is very close to 4x 250mm. You lose range, yes, but by fitting 150mm Rails you can fill up the low slots with Damage/Tracking Mods that increase damage/range even more. You will also be able to fit a 100MN AB that is a better alternative to the 10MN MWD if you are woried about Cap/Shields. Try this one: 5x 150mm Rail 1x 100MN AB 1x CL5 Shield Booster 1x Hardener (your choice depending on the rats) -OR- Shield Boost Amp 3x Damage Mod 2x Tracking Mod Raven 4TW! Rank(1) SP: 243745/256000
Rhava	Posted - 2004.06.01 08:58:00 - [20] Edited by: Rhava on 01/06/2004 09:01:28 ... Withrawn post. "A war dosn't tell who is right, only who is left."
Alowishus	Posted - 2004.06.01 09:01:00 - [21] Originally by: Rhava Edited by: Rhava on 01/06/2004 08:33:37 I'm a miner atm. Low skills in gunnery stuff. (1.4mil total.) So I thought thorax is best for me when doing lv3 agent missions. (With my drone skills.) High 5x dual 150 rail Med 1x Med cap battey 2x Cap recharger Low 3x Cap power relay 2x Medium repairer 8x Ogres Simple and maybe boring, but i survive against 85k + couple of 35k rats. I can keep both repairers on for long time. I warp in at 15k so don't have to travel forever. If i get hull damage I fit 2-3 med hull repairers temporary at station after mission. You have a lot of attention to cap that you do not need. Additionally, Dual 150mm rails barely outdamage 150mm rails, are harder to fit and use more cap. Raven 4TW! Rank(1) SP: 243745/256000
Rhava	Posted - 2004.06.01 11:05:00 - [22] Originally by: Alowishus You have a lot of attention to cap that you do not need. Additionally, Dual 150mm rails barely outdamage 150mm rails, are harder to fit and use more cap. When i warp in at 15km against 3-4 35k+ rats i need the cap for my repairers. My shield is gone in a few sec. As i know 150mm rails arn't close combat. Well i could check later today and check if i can get them to 10-15k effective range.. Thanks for comment. I'm new to this just happy that i found a config that works for my 20k gunnery skills and can replace boring mining now and then. Fights take short time and the cargo cans are close aswell. Have BMs around my agents for extra speed. First i used Caracal / heavy missiles. That was boring and costly... Now i enjoy agent missions. "A war dosn't tell who is right, only who is left."
Alowishus	Posted - 2004.06.01 11:12:00 - [23] Originally by: Rhava As i know 150mm rails arn't close combat. 150mm rails have the same exact range and falloff of dual 150mm rails. You should try warping in further out and let the rats approach you. lock target, drop drones and send them to attack, when the closest rat gets to around 12k do an aboutface and start heading away from them while firing. Then, since the previous setup I listed has a 100MN AB, you will be able to go back and quickly empty the cans. Raven 4TW! Rank(1) SP: 243745/256000
Rhava	Posted - 2004.06.01 11:21:00 - [24] Originally by: Alowishus 150mm rails have the same exact range and falloff of dual 150mm rails. You should try warping in further out and let the rats approach you. lock target, drop drones and send them to attack, when the closest rat gets to around 12k do an aboutface and start heading away from them while firing. Then, since the previous setup I listed has a 100MN AB, you will be able to go back and quickly empty the cans. Ok will try that. Thanks. Won't train MWD yet tho. Maybe in 2-3 weeks. "A war dosn't tell who is right, only who is left."
Alowishus	Posted - 2004.06.01 11:35:00 - [25] Originally by: Rhava Won't train MWD yet tho. Maybe in 2-3 weeks. Notice that my setup has a 100MN AB, not MWD. Raven 4TW! Rank(1) SP: 243745/256000
Rhava	Posted - 2004.06.01 12:47:00 - [26] Originally by: Alowishus Notice that my setup has a 100MN AB, not MWD. Need to train my reading skills. Sounds good will try. "A war dosn't tell who is right, only who is left."
xemous	Posted - 2004.06.01 16:34:00 - [27] 4 250 rails 1 amp, 1 named cruiser booster, i use a med clarity ward, and a hardener 3 relays in low, 1 rcu, and 1 diag make sure to have some high skills in engineering and electronics lose the damage mods for npc hunt because the extra cap relays and amp will keep you alive longer, rather than have to warp in and out again plus some wasps in low cos if there speed enjoyzo
Arnor Junta	Posted - 2004.07.29 09:06:00 - [28] Interesting post, very helpful. Just to clarify what are the pros and cons of using an AB over a MWD, or vice versa? Anything that can speed up my gate approaches would be welcome but in terms of power usage/combat I'm a little confused by it all. Likewise what medium and low slots should I really be using for optimum efficiency? Thanks
Arnor Junta	Posted - 2004.07.29 09:06:00 - [29] Interesting post, very helpful. Just to clarify what are the pros and cons of using an AB over a MWD, or vice versa? Anything that can speed up my gate approaches would be welcome but in terms of power usage/combat I'm a little confused by it all. Likewise what medium and low slots should I really be using for optimum efficiency? Thanks
Heelay Ashrum	Posted - 2004.07.29 09:35:00 - [30] Originally by: meowcat Can't seem to get this right My best so far is: 4x 250mm rails, 1 small smarty 1x mwd, 1x med cap booster, 1x med shield booster 4x 10% power whatnots, 1x cpu I have elec 4 and eng 5 my attempted blaster setup got me nearly fried can anyone improve on this? am doing missions mostly atm ps: MUST have MWD, gate approaches drive me insane without one My long range setup for NPC lev 3 missions only: 4x 250mm , 1x SmartBomb 1x MWD , 1x Small Shield booster , 1x cap recharger 2x tech2 dammage mod, 2x Power diag, 1x energy management ( do'nt remember exact name, btw it gives some powercore and cap recharge bonus) Unfortunatly i'm lack 8 powercore to fit medium booster, but anyway i do'nt use it. with iridium ammos and named rails my range is over 50k, and i use mwd to be at this distance. This way i kill all NPC without be hitted once, so i do'nt care to mount a smaller SB. If your range ( depending on skill) is quite lower u can use alsotungsten ammo, but this mean that u need many ammos and time to kill 100k-115k rats. hint: in frig & cruiser spawns hit before frigs. I have also drones with me, but never needed one ( same as my shield booster ).

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