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Selena Rei Amarr	Posted - 2008.07.18 18:00:00 - [1] Hello all. I posted this in the General forums without realizing that it would have been better off here, sorry if there's any confusion. :( I'm writing this because until recently, I had been skeptical about putting time aside from advancing my skill training in order to level up my Learning skills. I'm pretty sure this is a common thought to new players so I thought it would be good to share my findings. I am running a skill plan through EveMon to train some critical skills useful for all ships in general (info from this thread here http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=299970) The total time to train all those skills in that thread to the recommended levels, for me, was 35D 1H 30M 33S, according to Evemon. Just out of curiosity I added in my learning skills (Instant Recall III and IV, Analytical Mind III and IV, and Learning III and IV). I moved those skills up to the top of the skill plan and my total time actually -dropped- to 32d 23h 52m 42s. This time is including the training time for the Learning skills above. I did more tinkering, adding Eidetic Memory I and II, and Logic I, II and III. I managed to take my total time, all learning skills inclusive, to 29d 20h 52m 23s. I literally removed nearly 6 whole days to my plan by -adding- 11 levels of skills from the Learning tree to the total plan, at the top of the list. Keep in mind that order -does- matter. Training Analytical Mind before Instant Recall actually adds to the total time slightly, as all Learning skills use Memory as a primary attribute, Int is secondary. Hope this helps open someones eyes a little, I know it sure opened mine. :D
1200 baud	Posted - 2008.07.18 20:23:00 - [2] And if you are like some of us, and have the next 400-600 days planned out too, you'll really see the difference! Dance like it hurts, Love like you need money, Work when people are watching. - Scott Adams
Michayel Lyon Hematite Rose Bionic Dawn	Posted - 2008.07.20 11:26:00 - [3] Yeah, if you can save 6 days from a month of planned skill training, imagine what you can save if you play for 3 years. --- Lasiverin Dark > Is everyone here allied? Red Knight > we are allied by our zombie like ability to ***** missions GM Xamother: "Beeing online is not considered harassment or exploit."
Doctor Vicodin	Posted - 2008.07.20 21:02:00 - [4] For the long term player yeah Learning skills are a must have as explained the starter post. Shoot run EveMon and set a plan for skills to fly a titan. 365Days or something for the player that reactivated after trial, if you cut it all down by the Suggested Skill Plan its cut down to 287 I believe, sooo saves ya over 3 months. This topic also brings up about the idea of getting all of your learning skills to 5 or such. As to that I say uh sure go right ahead,if you got that planned commitment. Its a debateable subject as to when it comes a player that is recently new and wants to well do/use stuff. Meh in the end folks,get EveMon.
degini	Posted - 2008.07.20 22:42:00 - [5] For the player that doesn't know if they will still be here 1 year from now, I would recommend 4's across the board for learning skills. If you decide you love it, you can get your tier 1's up to V.
Xindi Kraid	Posted - 2008.07.21 02:25:00 - [6] The one hitch in that plan is that the tier 2 learning skills each cost 4,500,000 ISK. You will have a hard time making enough money to buy them. Realisticly train all the tier 1s up then take the time to get your money making skills up weather they are the skills to fly a cruiser or mining efficiency to the point where you can amass the money the come back to finish the second half. --Bird of Prey: Forum God Caveat Emptor Caveat Venditor CAVEAT
Aiden Bismuth Gallente Die Boeremag	Posted - 2008.07.21 05:56:00 - [7] I have trained all my Basic Learning Skills to Lvl 4, and have two Advanced Learning Skills. One has already been trained up to Lvl 4, and one at Lvl 3, that I plan to train to Lvl 4. I have only bought two advanced learning skills, due to the cost, but adding them to my skill plan, and training them, has actually reduced the length of the skillplan. Use EveMon, that is one most invaluable tools for EVE. I will probably increase some of them to Lvl 5 eventually, as well as adding more Advanced Learning skills. My current skillplan runs until February 2009 , so any reduction I can managed is great. I have sub-plans in my skillplan, so when I reach a certain point, I will consider training a learning skill, then move on with the main part of the plan. AB
Pteranodon	Posted - 2008.07.21 15:29:00 - [8] If you don't PVP then train cybernetics 5 & plug in a set of +5's. Your training speed goes through the roof. The cost is not too bad either as you can run missions & get the implants for 65M a piece +loyality points so I reckon it's a good investment. As for the 65 million per implant-it really is peanuts when you consider I farmed AE for a week with my Corp mates & we split 300 million between us for perhaps 1.5 hours per night work.
Oweim	Posted - 2008.07.21 18:26:00 - [9] Its' hard but I'm trying to do that plan, getting my learning up. Quick question, when people have mentioned 'advanced' skills are you referring to the rank 5 skills or something else? I have all 11 learning skills started, and I have 7 to level 4, 2 to level 3, one to 2 and one to 1 (shortly at 2). My plan was to just get them all up to IV for now, then get my support skills up to III/IV, then come back in (maybe) to pop up some to level Vs (after I get frigate V ;) )
Doctor Vicodin	Posted - 2008.07.22 08:09:00 - [10] Originally by: Pteranodon As for the 65 million per implant-it really is peanuts when you consider I farmed AE for a week with my Corp mates & we split 300 million between us for perhaps 1.5 hours per night work. You sir,inspire me lol.
Malcanis We are Legend	Posted - 2008.07.22 08:11:00 - [11] Originally by: Pteranodon If you don't PVP then train cybernetics 5 & plug in a set of +5's. Your training speed goes through the roof. The cost is not too bad either as you can run missions & get the implants for 65M a piece +loyality points so I reckon it's a good investment. As for the 65 million per implant-it really is peanuts when you consider I farmed AE for a week with my Corp mates & we split 300 million between us for perhaps 1.5 hours per night work. You might want to consider getting at least one jump clone before plugging +5s in unless you're sure you're never going to PvP. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Meylota LeFey	Posted - 2008.07.22 10:15:00 - [12] In my 1st couple of weeks of play I got Cybernetics 1 and +3 implants across the board, plus I also got Learning 4, and all the base skills to 4 (except charisma at 3) and all the advanced skills to 3 (except no charisma at all). Then I started working up some other skills so I could fly and fit up to a BS in level 4 missions. Once I could reliably solo level 4's I got Cybernetics 4 and +4 implants, then Learning 5, the base skills all to 5 (except charisma to 4) and the advanced skills to 4 (except charisma at 3). This probably won't be believed, but I picked Caldari Achura at random on my 1st character when I knew nothing about the game, and even though I didn't know where to best put my attribute points I still ended up with 12-8-8-8-3 (12 INT, and 3 CHA) as my base stats. Sure I know NOW that 9-9-9-9-3 would be better, but. . meh. I'm pushing 7 million SP after only 4 months playing. With my skills and implants my effective stats are: INT 27.50 PER 23.10 MEM 23.10 WIL 23.10 CHA 15.40 Everything trains pretty quickly anymore -- even the CHA based skills, not that I'm really doing many of them. Still. . . can't complain. All the tanking and fitting skills I planned out are going much more rapidly post-learning. Even with only planning out to about 200 days these skills took something like 36 days off -- nearly a 20% reduction in time, and almost exactly how much time it took to train from 4/3 to 5/4 -- so it all pays off in 7 months and anything after that is made up in spades. So yes -- I will most definitely agree that the learning being done early makes a difference.
Elhina Novae Amarr Destruction Reborn CORPVS DELICTI	Posted - 2008.07.22 10:54:00 - [13] Very good thread. I have a real life friend who started playing so the first thing i did was telling him to get Cybernetics level 1, then i got him a full set of +3 implants, and he was really impressed by how much the time was cut down. He was one of those that thaught learnings is useless, but when i did that to him he changed he's mind pretty quickly. Point is for a new player these are the learning skills you will want: Skills that are Rank(1): 4 (when you think you are determined to play for a long time train to 5) Skills that are Rank(3): 3 (when you think you are determined to play for a long time train to 4, level 5 is really optional and has a 'payoff' after like 3,8 years) ------------ Somebody set up us the bomb
Idxx Amarr Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.07.22 11:25:00 - [14] Sorry if its been mentioned already - Don't forget that if evemon thinks a set of skills that you have scheduled will benefit from learning, it will show you a blue "Suggestion..." hyperlink at the bottom of your skillplan window. Click that, follow the instructions, and it will fix everything up for you. Good luck!
Kyra Felann Gallente Noctis Fleet Technologies	Posted - 2008.07.22 17:34:00 - [15] Originally by: Selena Rei all Learning skills use Memory as a primary attribute, Int is secondary. This is not correct. All basic learning skills use memory as a primary. The advanced ones use the attribute they increase as primary and a different skill as secondary.
Selena Rei Amarr	Posted - 2008.07.22 18:08:00 - [16] Originally by: Kyra Felann Originally by: Selena Rei all Learning skills use Memory as a primary attribute, Int is secondary. This is not correct. All basic learning skills use memory as a primary. The advanced ones use the attribute they increase as primary and a different skill as secondary. Ah yes, thank you for the correction. :) I'll edit my OP as it seems this thread is getting some attention now.
Kylara Kerensky Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.07.23 01:40:00 - [17]

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