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Uthor
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Posted - 2004.05.24 22:11:00 -
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something needs to be done about the ridiculous increase in the market prices, i have been playing a little under 5 months and even i can see that prices are rising to such a degree that to fight (pvp) is not worth the risk that u as a player are putting in. it takes weeks of mining to gain either enough minerals or isk to purchase a battleship, then all that could be gone in 10 minutes, im sure for some of u out there, this problem does not apply, but for many of us its just too big a risk to throw all the effort away.
i know many people say they hope that shiva will bring better things, and maybe it will. but how much are the new things gonna cost, are we gonna have to work for weeks - months just for that new ship?
many of u may think that im jsut moaning for no reason, but we must remember this is a game, not a job. its meant to be fun, not a chore.
i would like to know how anyone else feels out there about this, as i cant see it getting any better. 
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Mjolnir
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Posted - 2004.05.24 22:27:00 -
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I for one dont see a problem with rising prices. Prices for items have been incredibly low for a while now compared to early in the game. And if they are rising again thats great because it seperates the people who have money from those who dont. Not everyone and their mothers should be out flying battleships, if you cant afford to loose one dont buy one. Go get a cruiser or something. Of course this is a game and it should be fun but everything shouldnt be handed to you on a sliver patter otherwise there would be no point to it. Also have you ever thought of the people who are making these ships and mining for minerals? If they sell at lower cost they arent making as much cash and therefore they prolly arent having fun doing that. So you really have to look at bothsides and stop complaining about prices being high.
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Enraku Reynolt
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Posted - 2004.05.24 22:32:00 -
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and the noob miners might got more isk for their work, so its a good thing....maybe
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agrizla
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Posted - 2004.05.24 22:38:00 -
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You're deranged - honestly. I quit the game back in November and have only recently rejoined (2.5 weeks ago). I had a shuttle and 1000 ISK when I came back and I'm building my second BS now (or I will be when I cba hauling some trit). I did this on my own - had lots of offers of help from my old corp but turned them down.
Weeks to get a BS? Man you're not very good at this game are you?  This game is very very easy now compared to how it was when I started.
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Styrmir
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Posted - 2004.05.24 22:39:00 -
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Most of us that started early on feel that actually things are cheap now. Cruisers for example did cost alot more.
I would say things are just balancing out and I see nothing against "high" prices since for many isk is relatively easy to obtain allthough perhaps somewhat time consuming.
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Ezra
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Posted - 2004.05.24 23:07:00 -
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Prices have gone up 20-30% at worst thanks to the fact that zydrine/mega are so difficult to come by (thanks to high-end ratspawns guarding the ore).
They're still dirt cheap compared to when Moas cost 14mill ISK...
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Haratu
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Posted - 2004.05.25 00:41:00 -
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The reasoning for this increase was predictable... in fact there is a post somewhere in which i predicted it (it was a while ago so i dont know where it is)... here is why:
When E&B closed down, Eve experienced a huge influx of players as well as expanding the word of mouth method of advertising. This resulted in a lot of noobs.
So what does this mean? Well, these noobs were ready to grow but were either too scared of going into low sec space, or just not good enough. Therefore the amount of rare minerals stayed the same while the low end minerals (such as mexallon) increased in number.
Meanwhile the noobs grew into battleships and those who had supporters or corps began to get battleships... whre do these battleships come from? Rare minerals.
Because there are so much demand for rare minerals but there is the same amount as before then the price rises... meanwhile the price for low end minerals drops due to their increase... note that the increse of low minerals would not matter if there were the rare minerals to help use the low minerals in big constructions.
If you wonder why this is a bother then you should realise that everything is made of minerals. Alot of things are refined as well to get at the rare minerals rather than sell them.
As for implants... the lvl3 missons are much harder, probably to stop all those noobs flooding the market with implants.
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sokkusu
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Posted - 2004.05.25 11:37:00 -
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miners sell minerals at high price.
Manufacturers buy minerals at high price.
Manufacturers manufacture stuffs.
Manufacturers sell the stuffs at high price.
so, miners are the root of your problem.
there is nothing we can do to this problem.
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2004.05.25 11:46:00 -
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Edited by: Rod Blaine on 25/05/2004 11:48:31
hmm, as soon as youve got your first BS you should be set for pvp. You wont be able to pvp in it for a while but just use it to get more isk. When you can afford a second BS from your wallet alone, have gathered some decent items and supplies and have your battleship insured at 100% i see nothing stopping you from getting back on your feet after losing it.
105 mill insurance + 15 mill= new BS + loadout (stock stuff that is). 15 million can be made in any BS in one night mining trit or in a few hours mining ark, and just as well hunting high end rats as running lvl3 missions for the same duration.
That means you need a day to a week to recuperate from a lost BS, let alone if you choose to pvp in frigates, which is next to free.
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Lermitte
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Posted - 2004.05.25 12:10:00 -
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Edited by: Lermitte on 25/05/2004 12:13:20
Weeks to get a Battleship ? Well depends on how much you play.
It is easy in a bship to make 10 mil in one sitting chaining cruiser rats so you can afford the insurance for the next one in a couple of days.
Prices have increased in someplaces but Scorps have only increased by 10 mil or so in the last year due to prices of minerals.
In other areas prices have dropped. Ogres used to be 150-200k and now on market for 55.
Swings and roundabouts.
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Idara
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Posted - 2004.05.25 13:05:00 -
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I don't have a problem with the prices, but in a real economic situation like this, there should be some kind of anti-inflationary policy enacted to keep the prices from continuing to spiral out of control.
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The HoodedClaw
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Posted - 2004.05.25 13:54:00 -
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 Originally by: Uthor
something needs to be done about the ridiculous increase in the market prices, i have been playing a little under 5 months and even i can see that prices are rising to such a degree that to fight (pvp) is not worth the risk that u as a player are putting in. it takes weeks of mining to gain either enough minerals or isk to purchase a battleship, then all that could be gone in 10 minutes, im sure for some of u out there, this problem does not apply, but for many of us its just too big a risk to throw all the effort away.
The Hooded Claw has considered your request carefully.
To your statements there can but be one of three statements:
1) Can I have your stuff?
2) I love this game. Why aren't you loving this game as much as I do? Something must be wrong with you.
3) There are many causes that desire pvp skills and many who would aid you in your quest to become better at it. If you cannot risk your battleship in pvp then do not do so. There is fun to be had in risking clone and implants in frigate and cruiser combat or by attacking enemy indies as they haul back to base. Many players do not even need the market as they are in a corp that provides all their most basic needs such as ammo etc. You may want to look at moving corps before you move on from the game. Generally I the HoodedClaw have found that when I am not enjoying the game it is time to make my trade elsewhere.
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DeFood
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Posted - 2004.05.25 14:00:00 -
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if you cant afford to lose a BS, how about you dont fight in one?
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Laika Minirva
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Posted - 2004.05.25 14:01:00 -
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*licks the thread*
Hmmm salty.Cry more please.
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pshepherd
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Posted - 2004.05.25 14:02:00 -
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Originally by: sokkusu
miners sell minerals at high price.
Manufacturers buy minerals at high price.
Manufacturers manufacture stuffs.
Manufacturers sell the stuffs at high price.
so, miners are the root of your problem.
there is nothing we can do to this problem.
miner's arn't the route of the problem, its the people buying minerals at high prices. I mine, and then i sell at market price + 50%.
Always sells within a week 
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psychonaut
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Posted - 2004.05.25 14:06:00 -
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As an exbuilder I still see building unviable, and thus prices not to be extreme.
Nobody wants to allow a decent profit, I retried building missiles a few nights ago, PE5 good BP and for my efforts 20isk per missile, when you consider how long it takes to organise the minerals etc etc, your better mining for an hour, clearing 2M, and letting someone else try.
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Dust Puppy
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Posted - 2004.05.25 14:08:00 -
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Originally by: Styrmir
Most of us that started early on feel that actually things are cheap now. Cruisers for example did cost alot more.
Well the prices took a huge dip when I got my first cruiser. Bought a Thorax for 3.6 million I think it's worth twice that now. Not that I would ever sell it I'm gonna keep that one forever.
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Uthor
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Posted - 2004.05.25 18:05:00 -
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Originally by: The HoodedClaw
To your statements there can but be one of three statements:
1) Can I have your stuff?
2) I love this game. Why aren't you loving this game as much as I do? Something must be wrong with you.
3) There are many causes that desire pvp skills and many who would aid you in your quest to become better at it. If you cannot risk your battleship in pvp then do not do so. There is fun to be had in risking clone and implants in frigate and cruiser combat or by attacking enemy indies as they haul back to base. Many players do not even need the market as they are in a corp that provides all their most basic needs such as ammo etc. You may want to look at moving corps before you move on from the game. Generally I the HoodedClaw have found that when I am not enjoying the game it is time to make my trade elsewhere.
To start with, i am sure there are plenty of things wrong with me, but eve is not one of them. i love this game to!
frankly im surprised anyone replyed to this post actually, after all it is me jsut moaning :).
all i was trying to say n my original post is that there needs to be an end to the inflation that is taking place.
if u think about it if all prices were lowered, ther would be no problem for anyone: manufactures wouldnt have to charge so much, cos they wouldnt have payed as much for the minerals, etc etc..
anyway, i can see from the replies to my original post, not that many people in the wider community of eve agree with me, so i guess nothing will be done.
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N'Jorah
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Posted - 2004.05.25 19:15:00 -
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Originally by: DeFood
if you cant afford to lose a BS, how about you dont fight in one?
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Falbala
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Posted - 2004.05.25 19:42:00 -
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Could you elaborate please?
Drones price has been cut by 2 since last year. BPCs are awfully cheap, frigates too.
Yes, minerals and implant prices have raised but this is far to reflect all the market, most of the stuff is very cheap, you can say thanks to npc loot^^.
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