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Alak D'bor Brutor tribe	Posted - 2008.07.19 13:55:00 - [1] This is a followup post to This is what real market pvp looks like in which I publicly declared a vendetta against Shadarle, calling him out as a liar and a coward. I am here to report tonight that the first operation against Shadarle's interests met all objectives. The trick with any non-consensual pvp, of course, is how to make your target feel safer than he really is. To that end, at 1601 Eve time, 15 July, Whiskey Tango Foxtrot [WTFO] wardecced Li0ns Industries [LIONI] and promptly did absolutely nothing. On the surface, WTFO looks like a corp that couldn't pvp themselves out of a wet paper bag. In reality their pvp is much much worse. If you found them to be no threat you would be overestimating them. Nevertheless, WTFO are experienced in highsec tower takedowns and general griefing. The name of their current campaign is called, aptly, '**s (male genitalia) in Empire'. But in this case the dread tower was too many hp so they took on a different job, that of providing timezone coverage. At 1600 Eve time, 16 July, Omniscient Order [OMNOR], yes THE Omniscient Order, wardecced LI0NI, as WTFO continued to monitor the hostile tower system. At this point it was endgame. At 1730 Eve time, 17 July, OMNOR and apparently every other half-drunk bored pilot in Pandemic Legion (<3 Angel) rolled into Kaunokka, and executed a textbook operation in engaging a soon to be living the rest of its very short life in pain highsec deathstar, and put it in reinforced at 1930. As expected it was stronted, which was why the midweek operation. At 1300 19 July, the tower died. Here are a screenie of the operation and the moment before the tower disappeared. For some inexplicable reason, as observed by myself and reported by multiple witnesses, there was no earth shattering kaboom. Shadfail tower in pain Shadfail tower go byebye I would like to publicly thank OMNOR and WTFO for their professionalism and orchestrated timing, respectively. I can without reservation endorse both corps. If you want the best mercs in the game, call OMNOR. But if you need, nay if you wake up in the middle of the night just craving, **s (male genitalia), then call WTFO. Meanwhile, Shadarle, you are still a liar and a coward. You don't have a lowsec reaction chain. That was disinformation. I wasn't poorly prepared. That was misinformation. And this vendetta isn't over, not by a damn sight. The Eve servers are up, and you're not in a nub corp. I expect you're going to need more than one lesson, and and you're going to get more than one lesson. At this rate, I'll run out of isk in 60 years...
Alak D'bor Brutor tribe	Posted - 2008.07.19 13:57:00 - [2] I would like to insert a few comments about this vendetta. First, I believe that the OP and its followup were 'postworthy', even if they stretched the boundaries of Market Discussion's charter. The MD community has my assurance that I don't expect future operations in the execution of this vendetta will be postworthy, and hence I won't be making similar posts on this topic in the future simply on the basis of popping another target asset. I would particularly like to thank the MD mods for their forebearance, and I indulge myself in the belief that their silence on the matter suggests perhaps maybe just one of them buttered some popcorn, and that just maybe their job was less dreary than it must usually be. The target was made a target because he intentionally insults and deceives people who try to be helpful. The last straw was a nice person talking about building cruisers for factional warfare customers getting called 'stupid' by the target. If the target finds it fun to be an insulting liar, well that now comes with a cost in that his research business is now and for the indefinite future insolvent. It is true that he hasn't done much research lately, but nonetheless he was quite active in it within the past six months, and should he desire to ramp up the business in the future, that will be quite impossible with me in the game. There of course was a point to making this vendetta public, which is this: Eve Online is about fun. Far be it from me to tell a trader that his style of play is any less valid than mine, but at the same time, remember the next time you're a bit bored and you've got more isk than is reasonable, for comparative peanuts you can royally **** off that pompous undercutter you can't get rid of. Maybe it doesn't add up on the bottom line, but with God as my witness I must confess to it being supremely satisfying.
Bindusara	Posted - 2008.07.19 14:42:00 - [3] Originally by: Alak D'bor First, I believe that the OP and its followup were 'postworthy', even if they stretched the boundaries of Market Discussion's charter. The MD community has my assurance that I don't expect future operations in the execution of this vendetta will be postworthy, and hence I won't be making similar posts on this topic in the future simply on the basis of popping another target asset. Mr Danari, that is unacceptable to me and I hope to others on MD. I want more updates on the wardecs, if not on MD, then please create a mailing list ingame. And props for going ahead and acting on what you think is the best way to teach someone a lesson even if it cost you some isk. I'm sure you'll get flamed for that but then again i'm also sure you don't care much.
Bad Bobby Ugly Toys Zzz	Posted - 2008.07.19 14:50:00 - [4] What's the point of having all the isk if you can't use it to wield power? I always felt that was the industrialists end-game. More reports please.
Ricdics Corporate Placement Holding	Posted - 2008.07.19 15:22:00 - [5] If you wanted to set a better example you should have donated the isk to Eve University rather than blowing a couple billion isk on mercs destroying a 500m tower. It's not like the loss will have Shadarle quitting Eve any time soon.
Roguehalo Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.07.19 15:22:00 - [6] Hmm you popped a tower? Guess Shadarle and his 100b gonna be really struggling now
Elendar The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.07.19 15:24:00 - [7] It was sure nice of those failmercs to encourage him to anchor more guns ---------------------------- There is no sig
Viper ShizzIe The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.07.19 15:34:00 - [8] Always enjoyed lurking MD, these threads have made it 100x better. Was fun, tbh.
Eboly	Posted - 2008.07.19 15:41:00 - [9] Can't fail if your job is to not succeed.
Shadarle	Posted - 2008.07.19 16:18:00 - [10] Originally by: Alak D'bor I am here to report tonight that the first operation against Shadarle's interests met all objectives. Can I paraphrase this? "Mission Accomplished!" You have completely devastated my ability to play EVE. I am now at a loss at how to proceed. I am now going to have to re-examine how I conduct myself. But... I am so broken and battered. What do I do now? I lost less than 1 billion ISK! What do I do?????? Where will I go????? I know.... Quote: I'll be all around in the dark - I'll be ever'whereùwherever you look. Wherever they's a fight so hungry people can eat, I'll be there. Wherever they's a cop beatin' up a guy, I'll be there... I'll be in the way guys yell when they're mad an'ùI'll be in the way kids laugh when they're hungry and they know supper's ready. An' when our folk eat the stuff they raise an' live in the houses they buildùwhy, I'll be there.

Shadarle	Posted - 2008.07.19 16:19:00 - [11] Edited by: Shadarle on 19/07/2008 16:20:32 Originally by: Eboly Can't fail if your job is to not succeed. Is that a quote from despair.org? I love de-motivators! Well placed here tho If this "market PvP" was any indication of how well Danari runs his Raven business then I guess I've been right all along to mock him for it.
Tasko Pal Heron Corporation	Posted - 2008.07.20 00:19:00 - [12] I did get a chance to scope out the POS after it was reinforced. Interesting setup there.
Leowen Industrial Giants	Posted - 2008.07.20 00:21:00 - [13] Weeeeeeee! Nuff said.
Shadarle	Posted - 2008.07.20 04:13:00 - [14] Edited by: Shadarle on 20/07/2008 04:13:39 Originally by: Tasko Pal I did get a chance to scope out the POS after it was reinforced. Interesting setup there. Yeah, I was testing out some different setups. I learned a lot. I have a plan for my next high-sec POS. I hope Danari is willing to hire mercs again because I really don't want to use the POS for anything, just want someone to attack it again. Far more fun!
Xelios Xarxes	Posted - 2008.07.20 04:16:00 - [15] Oh geez, another one of these? Did you get all the attention you need yet? See my reply in the last one.
Petyr Baelich Taggart Transdimensional Virtue of Selfishness	Posted - 2008.07.20 04:44:00 - [16] Originally by: Shadarle Edited by: Shadarle on 20/07/2008 04:13:39I hope Danari is willing to hire mercs again because I really don't want to use the POS for anything, just want someone to attack it again. Far more fun! You could just hire the mercs yourself and contract them to stop when the POS goes reinforced. Reimburse ship losses at a fixed rate and offer a bonus if they can bring it down in a certain time period. You could hire them multiple times if need be until you found the perfect setup and it the process would be fun as well. Same principle as hiring white-hat hackers to hack your own business IRL.
Shadarle	Posted - 2008.07.20 04:47:00 - [17] Originally by: Petyr Baelich Originally by: Shadarle Edited by: Shadarle on 20/07/2008 04:13:39I hope Danari is willing to hire mercs again because I really don't want to use the POS for anything, just want someone to attack it again. Far more fun! You could just hire the mercs yourself and contract them to stop when the POS goes reinforced. Reimburse ship losses at a fixed rate and offer a bonus if they can bring it down in a certain time period. You could hire them multiple times if need be until you found the perfect setup and it the process would be fun as well. Same principle as hiring white-hat hackers to hack your own business IRL. That isn't such a bad idea. The only problem is that it removes some of the thrill if you know you have nothing to lose. Also kinda suck to know you're gonna have to pay for everything you blow up :p haha, also makes them less interested in being their best. Plus it's more fun if Danari has to pay them to attack me, might as well get him to pay my fees. Granted I lose the POS, but that's piddles. I can afford to lose a POS for every alliance he has to hire to attack me. But your suggestion isn't a bad idea, just for small scale testing perhaps.
Alex Redwidth Caldari Industrial and Merchantile Investment Fund	Posted - 2008.07.20 04:58:00 - [18] Originally by: Petyr Baelich You could just hire the mercs yourself You're assuming Shar's using his mouth to talk out of.. ('I lost less than a bil' haha good one) Alak D''bor - What I wanna know is how much did you make off that tower (all those lovely labs!) and are you down or up on the merc contract? This is MD, we crave details like the ISK hungry leeches we are.
Shadarle	Posted - 2008.07.20 05:07:00 - [19] Edited by: Shadarle on 20/07/2008 05:09:18 Originally by: Alex Redwidth You're assuming Shar's using his mouth to talk out of.. ('I lost less than a bil' haha good one) What part of that statement do you find odd? That I lost less than 1 bill ISK or that losing a bill or less ISK is not a big deal to me? Because both are equally true. Originally by: Alex Redwidth Alak D''bor - What I wanna know is how much did you make off that tower (all those lovely labs!) and are you down or up on the merc contract? This is MD, we crave details like the ISK hungry leeches we are. There was not a single lab. There was 1 ammunition assembly array and there was nothing in it. He got a few guns tho!
Alex Redwidth Caldari Industrial and Merchantile Investment Fund	Posted - 2008.07.20 05:38:00 - [20] Originally by: Shadarle There was not a single lab. There was 1 ammunition assembly array and there was nothing in it. He got a few guns tho! I thought you didn't care about the POSes? cared enough to bundle off the offlined labs then... About 80 mil in guns. Plus another 100mil+ in other modules (assuming the labs were all you bundled off) and the 850mil tower. That's before we get to fuel and ammo. Originally by: Shadarle What part of that statement do you find odd? That I lost less than 1 bill ISK or that losing a bill or less ISK is not a big deal to me? Because both are equally true. The later isn't suprising given your maths skills lead you to the former. No doubt you'll later spin this as a victory as you've been saved xxx mil ISK a month on fuel for a POS you didn't really want any more.

Shadarle	Posted - 2008.07.20 06:29:00 - [21] You seem to be really trying to find some way to make this a big deal for me. Sorry to break it to you, but it wasn't. If I really was angry about this do you think I'd be bumping both of these threads non-stop? I want them to stay at the top of this forum because they show just how pathetic this attack was. Danari hired and entire alliance to attack me and it had absolutely no impact on anything I do. It shows how weak he actually is. He's a Raven manufacturer who considers himself morally superior to me. He misses the point that morals don't matter, it's about being the best. The reason I wouldn't scam someone in EVE is because it would hurt my ability to make money, not because it's wrong. This thread proves the point that no matter what Danari does he won't be able to stop me from doing what I do. And for that reason I hope to keep it right here at the top of the forums for as long as possible, so everyone will realize just how silly this entire affair was.
Pax Empyrean	Posted - 2008.07.20 06:41:00 - [22] This whole affair seems pretty funny. Alak is just yapping like crazy, and Shadarle's basically laughing at him. Hey Alak, how much did it cost you to hire an alliance? Shadarle said it cost him about 1 billion for the tower. I want to see who's winning the ISK ****ing contest. Oh yeah, and how are your mercs doing? They lost how many battleships? Lets keep this going. Internet spaceship drama is Serious Business.
Bindusara	Posted - 2008.07.20 07:10:00 - [23] Originally by: Shadarle He misses the point that morals don't matter, it's about being the best. The reason I wouldn't scam someone in EVE is because it would hurt my ability to make money, not because it's wrong. Is it then safe to assume that when you decide to quit eve you will scam first and the last time to prove you're the best at it? That appears to be the logical conclusion because you wouldn't need to make isk anymore so it wouldn't hurt you in any form.
Shadarle	Posted - 2008.07.20 07:42:00 - [24] Originally by: Bindusara Originally by: Shadarle He misses the point that morals don't matter, it's about being the best. The reason I wouldn't scam someone in EVE is because it would hurt my ability to make money, not because it's wrong. Is it then safe to assume that when you decide to quit eve you will scam first and the last time to prove you're the best at it? That appears to be the logical conclusion because you wouldn't need to make isk anymore so it wouldn't hurt you in any form. Your logic is sound, except that if I chose to quit EVE I wouldn't care enough to bother scamming. If I quit eve because of RL, I wouldn't have the time. If I quit because I just kinda grew tired of EVE and slowly stopped playing then I wouldn't be interested enough to put together a massive scam. And if I quit eve because I died or was seriously injured, then well, I think that speaks for itself. Otherwise your comment was well thought out and entirely not stupid at all. I don't quite know who your comment was meant for though, I have never asked for public money nor have I ever taken any. So good job warning people about a possible future scam of mine! I'm sure people here will take your words seriously and with a lot of weight.
Syath Caldari Einherjar Rising	Posted - 2008.07.20 08:42:00 - [25] and if you did ever want to scam you just blew all your chances right there. now on to real matters is shadarle really a **** or does he just play one on tv?
Alak D'bor Brutor tribe	Posted - 2008.07.20 11:46:00 - [26] Originally by: Alex Redwidth Alak D''bor - What I wanna know is how much did you make off that tower (all those lovely labs!) and are you down or up on the merc contract? This is MD, we crave details like the ISK hungry leeches we are. hehe sorry m8 there's nothing to be made in popping highsec towers. Any no-skill alt can come in a hauler and camp the mods. I was fortunate to get the lab I wanted as a trophy. On the one hand you have me spending oh maybe a couple hours over a couple weeks planning the takedown. On the other you have the target anchoring numerous mods to the tune of at least an entire evening if not more, not to mention the completely pointless exercise of manning the guns. The irony is that I spent the isk to avoid grinding down the hp, and the target spent the time anchoring and manning mods that were just doomed. There was the comment going around that the target could just call in mercs. That was just lawl. Who can you hire to take on PL? Was it an accident that I hired the mercs that can't be taken on? No, I know what the ** I'm doing. The target hired a euro-corp of like 4 active pilots who I never saw. What the ** was that about? I probably spent 10x the isk, but who do you suppose got better value? All I really got out of this op was fun and I spent a week's profits to do it. The target likes to claim he can win a war of attrition, but let's stop being idiots for just a moment to think about how much fun anchoring and fuelling a deathstar is. It's a foregone conclusion that I can earn the isk to pop his space trash far faster than he can anchor it.
Shadarle	Posted - 2008.07.20 15:13:00 - [27] LOL, face it Danari, you gave me more fun than I've had in months and months in EVE, you've increased my rep around here, you've made yourself look silly, and you wasted a lot of money and did nothing to me. Way to go!
Alex Redwidth Caldari Industrial and Merchantile Investment Fund	Posted - 2008.07.20 15:18:00 - [28] Originally by: Shadarle LOL, face it Danari, you gave me more fun than I've had in months and months in EVE, you've increased my rep around here, you've made yourself look silly, and you wasted a lot of money and did nothing to me. Way to go! For someone who doesn't care about these towers, about loosing over a billion ISK, you sure spend a lot of time on here hammering home just how much you don't care....
Ava Santiago Minmatar	Posted - 2008.07.20 17:31:00 - [29] When you put up a POS you depreciate the assets fully. It helps with the return - and I've never met anyone willing to spend the 24 hours or so necessary to take even a mid-sized POS down. Concord doesn't provide consequences. Concord provides insurance payouts.
Shadarle	Posted - 2008.07.20 20:30:00 - [30] Originally by: Alex Redwidth Originally by: Shadarle LOL, face it Danari, you gave me more fun than I've had in months and months in EVE, you've increased my rep around here, you've made yourself look silly, and you wasted a lot of money and did nothing to me. Way to go! For someone who doesn't care about these towers, about loosing over a billion ISK, you sure spend a lot of time on here hammering home just how much you don't care.... As I've stated at least once already, I hope to keep these threads at the very top of the forum for as long as I possibly can. I'll let that speak for how I feel this entire affair went down.



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