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Klown Walk
Black Rebel Rifter Club
46
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Posted - 2012.03.18 01:56:00 -
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A Thorax can get 900+ dps, a brutix 1200+ dps, both with good range aswell. Doesn-¦t seem that bad for being "useless". |

OfBalance
Caldari State
173
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Posted - 2012.03.18 02:00:00 -
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The minmatar illuminati have requested that I post confirming that everything is fine and gallente are fine.
But seriously, this is a bad thread. |

Hemmo Paskiainen
Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
317
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Posted - 2012.03.18 02:17:00 -
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ElQuirko wrote:Tovartis Roberts wrote:sure bro once you've popped that first called target and it takes you a year to get in range of the next primary?! It's why god invented microwarpdrives... http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=15173664 - look at this. It should have been able to neut my wee brutix to oblivion. Not at all, because I got myself a warpin point with a falcon and dropped right on top of it just as it focused a cycle on said falcon. The pilot didn't even have a chance to scream. Gallente ships are brawlers. If you NEED to move, you're doing it wrong.
you do realize gal ships with mwds cant be flown without capboosters.... so rl question is.... how long you last without them and die horrible CCP FIX BLACK OPS FFS |

Nick Bison
Bison Industrial Inc Thundering Herd
22
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Posted - 2012.03.18 02:26:00 -
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The Gallente blaster boats are just fine in 1v1 or small gang (5-15 folk). But, as an earlier poster mentioned, you've got to be in the right place at the right time. If you have to close too much distance, especially in 1v1, .... get out!
Nick
Nothing clever at this time. |

Vangelios
Hedion University Amarr Empire
7
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Posted - 2012.03.18 02:31:00 -
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Tovartis Roberts wrote:delete this thread im already training to WINMATAR just alot of people arnt as patient as me so just quit eve once they realise they have picked a mostly dud race.
You have 17mil sp. I may say that patience is not your virtue. There is no dud race in eve, just dud pilots. There is no WIN button in EVE. Good luck.
...-áEach small candle Lights a corner of the dark... |

Andski
GoonWaffe
3203
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Posted - 2012.03.18 03:15:00 -
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Akirei Scytale wrote:Nothing wrong with Gallente. They only really suck in large-scale fleet warfare.
counter-point: gallente caps
non-troll counterpoint: lachesis
(lollente) "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |

Roosterton
Syndicalis Immortalis The Skeleton Crew
337
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Posted - 2012.03.18 03:53:00 -
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Quote:you do realize gal ships with mwds cant be flown without capboosters.... so rl question is.... how long you last without them and die horrible
You do realize that mwds don't need to be permarun in 95% of combat situations. You also realize that most Gallente ships, being armor tanked, have ample midslots for a cap booster. |

Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
976
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Posted - 2012.03.18 04:45:00 -
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Roosterton wrote:Quote:you do realize gal ships with mwds cant be flown without capboosters.... so rl question is.... how long you last without them and die horrible You do realize that mwds don't need to be permarun in 95% of combat situations. You also realize that most Gallente ships, being armor tanked, have ample midslots for a cap booster.
Honestly, permarunning is stupid as hell unless you're an interceptor or kiting. A vote for Akirei is a vote for Awesome! |

Cipher Jones
358
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Posted - 2012.03.18 05:23:00 -
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He was doing okish till the wormhole comment. Then it was just 0/10 again.
04:25:37 Notify Cipher Jones, criminals are not welcome here. Leave now or be destroyed. |

Sisohiv
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
32
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Posted - 2012.03.18 05:23:00 -
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Tovartis Roberts wrote:im pretty sure alot of these fanbois are eve devs on alt forum toons :) it must get frustraiting with people crying improve this nerf that do this do that but i really dislike the gallente game style and would really appreaciate an SP reset. kthxbye.
I don't know if i'd go that direction. Too many linear and agenda driven attitudes. EVE forums are like Sunday morning infomercials, still trying to convince you to buy the snake oil. Unfortunately EVE is the snake oil.
As someone else pointed out, the thing with winmatar is, they leave when they can't win. They have the speed to dictate range and range dictates Optimal and optimal is dps. So Winmatar, win.
Any idiot that tries to tell you to fit an MWD on anything but winmatar ignores the fact that the Winmatar will have one as well and the best you can do is make him use it. He doesn't care because he doesn't need that cap for his guns.
It isn't just Gallente though. Amarr suck for the same reason. Slow, can't hold optimal and never get to effect thier maximum dps.
EWar and superior shield tanking allow Caldari to live, Winmatar do the rest. |
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Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
975
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Posted - 2012.03.18 05:50:00 -
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Sisohiv wrote: Any idiot that tries to tell you to fit an MWD on anything but winmatar ignores the fact that the Winmatar will have one as well and the best you can do is make him use it. He doesn't care because he doesn't need that cap for his guns.
Wat. How to prevent kiting:
- Fly away from him, when he attempts to maintain disruptor range, turn and burn at him, otherwise just warp off if hes an idiot.
- Juke his orbit by paying attention to his direction of motion and manually piloting.
- When engaging, warp to *him*, not the grid he's sitting on. If you don't have that ability, get him to chase YOU to another grid.
- If he dual props, let him reach his optimal and hit his AB. Then hit your MWD. He ain't going anywhere.
- Don't ******* MWD straight at a MWDing ship that is faster than you.
- Learn that your Falloff is pretty goddamn useful.
- etc
I get the impression the extent of your PvP knowledge comes from static "pvp" on undocks and gates. The hunt is more than half of it, and appropriately warping in is a pretty damn big factor. And if you're having cap issues with a MWD, learn to fit and fix your damn core skills. A vote for Akirei is a vote for Awesome! |

Sisohiv
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
32
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Posted - 2012.03.18 05:54:00 -
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Akirei Scytale wrote:Sisohiv wrote: Any idiot that tries to tell you to fit an MWD on anything but winmatar ignores the fact that the Winmatar will have one as well and the best you can do is make him use it. He doesn't care because he doesn't need that cap for his guns.
Wat.How to prevent kiting:
- Fly away from him, when he attempts to maintain disruptor range, turn and burn at him, otherwise just warp off if hes an idiot.
- Juke his orbit by paying attention to his direction of motion and manually piloting.
- When engaging, warp to *him*, not the grid he's sitting on. If you don't have that ability, get him to chase YOU to another grid.
- If he dual props, let him reach his optimal and hit his AB. Then hit your MWD. He ain't going anywhere.
- Don't ******* MWD straight at a MWDing ship that is faster than you.
- Learn that your Falloff is pretty goddamn useful.
- etc
I get the impression the extent of your PvP knowledge comes from static "pvp" on undocks and gates. The hunt is more than half of it, and appropriately warping in is a pretty damn big factor.
That should keep you busy untill his gank boy bum buddies show up and melt your now capless ship. Been there.
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Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
975
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Posted - 2012.03.18 05:55:00 -
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Sisohiv wrote: That should keep you busy untill his gank boy bum buddies show up and melt your now capless ship. Been there.
If you juke a kiting ship properly, it will evaporate.
If you have cap problems with a freaking MWD, you have bigger problems.
Protip: never chase a vagabond. Its exactly what he wants you to do. Make him chase you to another gird and surprise him. A vote for Akirei is a vote for Awesome! |

Sisohiv
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
32
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Posted - 2012.03.18 06:04:00 -
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Akirei Scytale wrote:Sisohiv wrote: That should keep you busy untill his gank boy bum buddies show up and melt your now capless ship. Been there.
If you juke a kiting ship properly, it will evaporate. If you have cap problems with a freaking MWD, you have bigger problems. Protip: never chase a vagabond. Its exactly what he wants you to do. Make him chase you to another gird and surprise him.
I'm not saying you are wrong, I'm saying you aren't right, most of the time. We don't get to dictate our enemies, baiting Minmatar fleets is fail because they will "steal" the bait and skin out anyway.
The fundamental principles of EVE combat favor Minmatar. Sure, other races can squeak a kill out here and there if the matar pilot gets sloppy but overall Minmatar will run the field.
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Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
975
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Posted - 2012.03.18 06:16:00 -
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Sisohiv wrote:Akirei Scytale wrote:Sisohiv wrote: That should keep you busy untill his gank boy bum buddies show up and melt your now capless ship. Been there.
If you juke a kiting ship properly, it will evaporate. If you have cap problems with a freaking MWD, you have bigger problems. Protip: never chase a vagabond. Its exactly what he wants you to do. Make him chase you to another gird and surprise him. I'm not saying you are wrong, I'm saying you aren't right, most of the time. We don't get to dictate our enemies, baiting Minmatar fleets is fail because they will "steal" the bait and skin out anyway. The fundamental principles of EVE combat favor Minmatar. Sure, other races can squeak a kill out here and there if the matar pilot gets sloppy but overall Minmatar will run the field.
I take it you've never fought a competent amarr pilot. They kick some serious ass by doing exactly the opposite of what minmatar do. Flying into the optimal of a properly fit amarr ship is generally suicide for a minmatar one. And they have BIG optimals.
Gallente? put it in good hands and nothing will survive the unholy DPS output. All it takes is knowing how to warp in properly.
Caldari? What's tracking? WHEEEEEEE A vote for Akirei is a vote for Awesome! |

Sisohiv
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
32
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Posted - 2012.03.18 06:34:00 -
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Akirei Scytale wrote:Sisohiv wrote:Akirei Scytale wrote:Sisohiv wrote: That should keep you busy untill his gank boy bum buddies show up and melt your now capless ship. Been there.
If you juke a kiting ship properly, it will evaporate. If you have cap problems with a freaking MWD, you have bigger problems. Protip: never chase a vagabond. Its exactly what he wants you to do. Make him chase you to another gird and surprise him. I'm not saying you are wrong, I'm saying you aren't right, most of the time. We don't get to dictate our enemies, baiting Minmatar fleets is fail because they will "steal" the bait and skin out anyway. The fundamental principles of EVE combat favor Minmatar. Sure, other races can squeak a kill out here and there if the matar pilot gets sloppy but overall Minmatar will run the field. I take it you've never fought a competent amarr pilot. They kick some serious ass by doing exactly the opposite of what minmatar do. Flying into the optimal of a properly fit amarr ship is generally suicide for a minmatar one. And they have BIG optimals. Gallente? put it in good hands and nothing will survive the unholy DPS output. All it takes is knowing how to warp in properly. Caldari? What's tracking? WHEEEEEEE
I've never had a Minmatar pilot fly in to my Amarr Optimal. Ever. And they don't need to. Conflag Pulse is 15 km. That's Large. Why would any Minmatar pilot get inside 15km? Even by some stroke of luck one does, the refire damage is never high enough to break a shield tank before he gets out of that range.
Both Armor tank fleets are plate based so keeping up to them long enough to break thier shield seldom happens. I have seen, in person, with my own eyes, ONE Minmatar ship tank 10 laser ships just by beating them with transversal and Invulns. He didnt kill us but we couldn't even kill one of them with 10:1 dps. Unless you can get a web on them or a Hic Bubble (have a Devoter/ devoters off grid) you don't beat them.
Gallente? Blaster range.. yea, right. Drones? Sure but they are slower than torpedoes as offence
But I will say it again. This is all fluff because you don't get to cherry pick your fights unless you are flying minmatar.
And just to be clear, I fly Amarr more than anything else.
4 accounts
Gallente/ Amarr Amarr Gallente/ Caldari/ Minmatar/ Amarr Caldari
I have also sold most of my Amarrian Assets as well as my Gallente. Damnation/ Damnation/ Damnation/ Nighthawk |

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1328
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Posted - 2012.03.18 07:27:00 -
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I came in expecting to see Lady Spank talking up the Incursus.
Gallente ships are up close face-melters. If you don't work with that, then it will work against you. I can get 250+ HP Wrecking hits with a small blaster from my Comet, but I gotta be real close.
I have combat logs from what happened to a ship I had when it got within optimals of a faction mega with T2 large blasters. Ever see a ship get peeled like an onion?
The speed issue is huge, and I have said that Gallente do not need weapons changes of buffs to compete, just some way to get around the "get scram-jammed to snail crawl and sniped to death" problem.
Were it up to me, Gallente ships would have more drone BW and bigger bonuses for MWD and WCS mods.
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Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation RONA Directorate
787
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Posted - 2012.03.18 07:39:00 -
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Here is my counter arguement to the op.
Curse.
That is all. |

Zagdul
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
423
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Posted - 2012.03.18 08:42:00 -
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Akirei Scytale wrote:Nothing wrong with Gallente. They only really suck in large-scale fleet warfare. They in fact kick some ass in small gangs and solo - and against stupid opponents (extremely common), they are in fact easily the best PvP race.
Not really, Gallente = best form of tackle in large fleets Ares/Lachesis = win mode and I absolutely love them on my fleets.
You can shield or armor tank their recons as the slot layouts make it extremely easy. Try getting an amarr ship into a shield fleet effectively.
It's not Rocket Surgery |

Zagdul
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
423
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Posted - 2012.03.18 08:43:00 -
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Obsidian Hawk wrote:Here is my counter arguement to the op.
Curse.
That is all.
Best solo hunter in the game.
It's not Rocket Surgery |
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Zagdul
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
423
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Posted - 2012.03.18 08:48:00 -
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Sisohiv wrote:Akirei Scytale wrote:Sisohiv wrote: That should keep you busy untill his gank boy bum buddies show up and melt your now capless ship. Been there.
If you juke a kiting ship properly, it will evaporate. If you have cap problems with a freaking MWD, you have bigger problems. Protip: never chase a vagabond. Its exactly what he wants you to do. Make him chase you to another gird and surprise him. I'm not saying you are wrong, I'm saying you aren't right, most of the time. We don't get to dictate our enemies, baiting Minmatar fleets is fail because they will "steal" the bait and skin out anyway. The fundamental principles of EVE combat favor Minmatar. Sure, other races can squeak a kill out here and there if the matar pilot gets sloppy but overall Minmatar will run the field.
No.
Minimatar ships make the fundamental concepts of EVE easier so that any idiot can be pro, however people who understand how to fly their ships don't fly minmatar. They know there are better ships out there.
It's not Rocket Surgery |

Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
945
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Posted - 2012.03.18 09:05:00 -
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As far as I'm concerned there are only two types of characters in this game.
The Gallante and everyone else.
Mr Epeen  Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1931
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Posted - 2012.03.18 09:11:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:As far as I'm concerned there are only two types of characters in this game. The Gallante and everyone else. Mr Epeen 
As far as I'm concerned there are only two types of posters on this forum.
Those who sign their posts and everyone else.
Ladie Harlot Formerly known as Ladie Scarlet Friend of Miners The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
945
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Posted - 2012.03.18 09:18:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote: As far as I'm concerned there are only two types of posters on this forum.
Those who sign their posts ...
Ladie Harlot
You go, sister!
Mr Epeen 
Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |

ElQuirko
Gravit Negotii Rogue Elements.
406
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Posted - 2012.03.18 09:22:00 -
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Just to answer questions regarding me posting a kill link with a Proteus killing a Rifter:
Yes.
If we distribute pictures of people, does that mean God can file copyright claims under SOPA? |

Acac Sunflyier
Burning Star L.L.C.
97
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Posted - 2012.03.18 10:20:00 -
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The only thing that kinda sucks about them is that their ships get bonuses to rep effectiveness. In sov fights, that's just not going to do much. You know how amarr get armor resists per level? Why not just give gallente armor HP per level? |

Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
978
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Posted - 2012.03.18 10:54:00 -
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Sisohiv wrote: I've never had a Minmatar pilot fly in to my Amarr Optimal. Ever. And they don't need to. Conflag Pulse is 15 km. That's Large. Why would any Minmatar pilot get inside 15km? Even by some stroke of luck one does, the refire damage is never high enough to break a shield tank before he gets out of that range.
There is ONE pulse ammo worth a damn. Its called Scorch. Use it. ABUSE it. It changes EVERYTHING in the same way Barrage does. You know, the ammo they're using to kite you with.
Quote: Both Armor tank fleets are plate based so keeping up to them long enough to break thier shield seldom happens. I have seen, in person, with my own eyes, ONE Minmatar ship tank 10 laser ships just by beating them with transversal and Invulns. He didnt kill us but we couldn't even kill one of them with 10:1 dps. Unless you can get a web on them or a Hic Bubble (have a Devoter/ devoters off grid) you don't beat them.
You saw a good pilot who knew how to kite deal with 10 bad pilots who didn't know how to deal with it. A vote for Akirei is a vote for Awesome! |

Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
978
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Posted - 2012.03.18 10:55:00 -
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Zagdul wrote:Akirei Scytale wrote:Nothing wrong with Gallente. They only really suck in large-scale fleet warfare. They in fact kick some ass in small gangs and solo - and against stupid opponents (extremely common), they are in fact easily the best PvP race. Not really, Gallente = best form of tackle in large fleets Ares/Lachesis = win mode and I absolutely love them on my fleets. You can shield or armor tank their recons as the slot layouts make it extremely easy. Try getting an amarr ship into a shield fleet effectively.
There are exceptions to every rule - all the above are fantastic fleet ships.
I was referring to the core philosophy of blasters and plates. It works in small gangs. The more support oriented ships of every race have roles in fleets. A vote for Akirei is a vote for Awesome! |

Keen Fallsword
Billionaires Club BLACK-MARK
41
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Posted - 2012.03.18 11:00:00 -
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ElQuirko wrote:Oh, you poor, deluded man. Gallente are the best ships to fly, IF you know how to fly them...
Stop saying bullshit.. Coz you looks lite a f noob... Geee whata looser... No comments |

Keen Fallsword
Billionaires Club BLACK-MARK
41
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Posted - 2012.03.18 11:06:00 -
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Akirei Scytale wrote:Nothing wrong with Gallente. They only really suck in large-scale fleet warfare. They in fact kick some ass in small gangs and solo - and against stupid opponents (extremely common), they are in fact easily the best PvP race.
Hahahaha !! The best ?? Lol. The best in what ?? Please.... Hahah stop it lol |
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