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Kahega Amielden
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Posted - 2008.07.21 00:26:00 -
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Currently, empire ores are out of whack. Veldspar is pretty much the most valuable ore outside 0.0. Kernite might be slightly better, although that can be found in hisec as well.
The problem is simply that the lowsec ores have been pushed to the side. The Drone Regions inject quite a lot of midrange (Lowsec) minerals into the economy, lowering the price. The solution is to simply make the minerals from lowsec ores more valuable.
There are a number of ways to do this. Build costs of ships/equipment (all, or just a few like capships) could be redone to put a bit less emphasis on Tritanium/Pyerite and maybe a bit more on Isogen/Nocxium. Another way is to simply replace the reprocessable alloys on rogue drones with something else...either a real bounty (why WOULDN'T Concord put bounties up on rogue drones? They're a threat as much as any pirate faction), or some droppable reward.
Raising the price of lowsec minerals would obviously result in a fair bit more profit to be made. "Do I want X ISK hour mining in safety or 1.5-2x ISK/Hour mining in danger?" Rather than "Do I want X ISK/Hour mining in safety or X ISK/hour mining in danger".
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Eternal Error
Exitus Acta Probant
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Posted - 2008.07.21 01:10:00 -
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Supported. The most abundant empire ore should not be more valuable than almost anything outside 0.0. Would also like to see more reason to go to lowsec.
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Pinkranger
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Posted - 2008.07.21 01:13:00 -
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I believe in the invisible hand.
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Vladimir Tinakin
Hadean Drive Yards Archaean Cooperative
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Posted - 2008.07.21 14:07:00 -
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Originally by: Pinkranger I believe in the invisible hand.
problem with that is, this issue was created by CCP artificially by the nature of the drone region drops and other factors.
That tritanium is so valuable IS the result of the invisible hand. While this is fine for the market, it is to the detriment of the game at large since it kills the lowsec areas. Might as well remove the belts there.
Actually....this could be the invisible hand of Chribba, making Veldspar > *
...damn you Chribba! You fooled us all!!!!11
(buff lowsec ore, plox) ----------------------------------------------- Hadean Drive Yards |
Pwett
QUANT Corp. QUANT Hegemony
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Posted - 2008.07.21 20:45:00 -
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One needs to find a way to vastly increase the demand for nox and isogen, that is all.
It looks like this was tried at one point - look at things like cargo bay bpos - but they numbers required are so inconsequential that it looks like the effort ended before it even reached the level of half-assery. _______________ Pwett CEO, Founder, & Executor <Q> QUANT Hegemony
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Kahega Amielden
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Posted - 2008.07.21 22:19:00 -
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They wouldn't even really need to increase the demand for everything...maybe for a few things? Capships, for example
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Kahega Amielden
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Posted - 2008.07.21 22:23:00 -
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They wouldn't even really need to increase the demand for everything...maybe for a few things? Capships, for example
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Aegoras
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Posted - 2008.07.24 01:39:00 -
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I support this! Make miners go to low-sec for bigger profits.
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Karanth
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.07.24 03:50:00 -
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Support here.
IIRC, the "fluff" reason CONCORD doesn't bounty drones is because they only bounty "people". Rats have people in them, and killing them earns the bounty, not the ship.
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Deva Blackfire
D00M.
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Posted - 2008.07.24 03:51:00 -
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Old problem. Maybe its time to introduce lowsec/0.0 "veldspar" roids which give 2-3x more trit after refining?
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Blind Molechild
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Posted - 2008.07.24 08:50:00 -
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signed. and stop spawning ice-fields in hi-sec, or make them small and finite like roid belts are now.
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Maulos
the united
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Posted - 2008.07.24 13:07:00 -
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Make specific ore drop only one type of mineral, and put each ore type only in certain region/security statut...
This way, the price of each mineral will balance with the danger involve with the market force...
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Red Raider
Airbourne Demons
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Posted - 2008.07.24 15:00:00 -
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Anything that reduces the effectiveness of macro mining in high sec NPC corps.
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Lieutenant Isis
Gristle Industries
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Posted - 2008.07.24 15:20:00 -
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Yes, it would be nice to see the mid-range ores worth something again. I remember when I was a new player that actually going into lowsec and mining in my osprey was worth the risk. This encouraged me to actually venture out, and I spent more time in lowsec then I did in high sec in those days. Many new players no longer have that incentive to venture out and risk their mining cruiser or get a small gang together and try a lowsec group mine.
Since the drone regions are really the source of the problem and seem to make mining as the secondary choice of getting mid-range minerals, I think CCP should remove the refinables that drones drop. This should be replaced by meta-drone items, perhaps BPCs and parts to make them; since having a dead drone drop a new drone makes no sense: I thought CCP was doing this, but I have yet to see any evidence. I think this makes more sense then trying to increase the use (demand) for these mid-range materials, but perhaps a combination of the two.
Whatever the case, CCP needs to do something about the situation. They constantly say that they want more people in lowsec, yet do nothing to encourage players who are industry oriented from ever leaving highsec. |
procurement specialist
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Posted - 2008.07.24 16:19:00 -
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The way to do it is to make low sec always more valuable than high sec.
a few ideas. numbers are not playtested and balanced duh.
1) all ore is everywhere. veldspar -- it comes in 6 different varities. veldspar at the normal level exists from 1.0 down to .5. from .5 - 0 it exists at a dense veldspar with 50% more refine. from 0.0 to -.5 it is crystalline veldspar and exists at 200% normal veldspar refine. from -.5 to -1.0 it is omg awesomeness veldspar at 5-10x the normal veldspar amount. exploration belts have ore of the next lower level. arkonor -- same deal but reversed. wherever arkonor starts in a region is its base. if it starts at -.3 the -.3 to -.8 is normal ark. -.8 to -1.0 is 50% better. .2 to -.3 is 50-75% normal. .7 - .2 is 30-50%. 1.0 - .7 is 10% arkonor.
my personal favorite. it would make sense that the empires mined out the better ores already leaving deep space to have untapped resources.
2 low sec module- the idea is that a module is scripted like the cyno generator to only work in low sec. This module mines better than current mining lasers so it has a yeild increase for going to lowsec. another module scripted like interdiction shperes boosts 0.0 mining amounts.
3 ship idea a ship is either not allowed to enter highsec through some means and mines better than a hulk. (not preferred) Or the ship cannot enter highsec and mines high sec ores better than a hulk. another cannot enter empire at all and mines high sec much better and low sec somewhat better than a hulk. this means hulk is for mining the 0.0 ores and high sec ores and these other ships for mining outside the current range.
2 and 3 simply increase yield which isn't my preferred fix but might be easier. The first idea the minin amount and logistics of hauling the ore stay the same. Comppressed super veld would be good for mineral logistics.
drones need to start dropping tons of low ends from their refinables to be balanced to what most of the rest of the game requires. Drones are way out of whack because they drop minerals so disproportionately.
also mission loot and 0.0 rat loot needs to be looked at. these changes would all make mining for low ends more viable than ratting for lowends in 0.0 again. I fly a really nice hulk and rat trit from loot in 0.0 faster than my hulk mining veldspar. Don't nerf bat the loot just make 0.0 veld somehow better than 1.0 veld like the rats and everything else scales.
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Mecinia Lua
Galactic Express Burning Horizons
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Posted - 2008.07.25 07:19:00 -
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Rather than resetting current ships, it probably would be better to balance by introducing newer ships/modules along the lines you suggest.
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Broegitte Bardot
BINFORD Solidus Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.25 11:17:00 -
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may i interest the readers here in this topic about t1 loot, currently running parallel. alt of Roemy Schneider (probably lacking game time again) |
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