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Kiyoshi Aphelion
Eve Liberation Force
Liberty.
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Posted - 2008.07.21 06:47:00 -
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Edited by: Kiyoshi Aphelion on 21/07/2008 06:48:04
Here it is in official format. I would like any advice, questions, comments so on and so forth. Thank you.
Rendari-Shadowfire Industries IPO
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Frenden Dax
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Posted - 2008.07.21 07:25:00 -
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Am I the only one who wonders if the format similarity between this and this isn't a coincidence?
On a different note I don't want to be cold but this is a very risky venture for investors. If you don't even have a freighter of your own that you're willing to use, then I question whether or not you have even tested this transportation gig to see if it's profitable (or indeed if there's even a demand for it).
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Kiyoshi Aphelion
Eve Liberation Force
Liberty.
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Posted - 2008.07.21 14:23:00 -
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Thanks for the Reply. As to the format between this post and the other, seeing as this is my first IPO, I borrowed his bahamas format. And I do own my own freighter and have been transporting for private citizens in Eve for about two months or so. The ships listed in the IPO, wouldn't be mine, they'd belong to the corporation, for other pilots to fly. I am currently working on purchasing my own personal Ark.
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Lep Erd
Minmatar
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.07.21 20:54:00 -
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A couple of comments on the business plan.
1) You don't include the cost of security.
2) You should probably indicate some examples of costs and revenue from example transportation runs.
3) Generally people expect their investment to be matched by the commitment of some resources (either isk or in kind) by the principal.
If you strengthen these points you will probably have more success.
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Kiyoshi Aphelion
Eve Liberation Force
Liberty.
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Posted - 2008.07.22 02:10:00 -
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Thanks for the reply Lep...and I really appreciate the advice. I will most certainly start refining these points right away. Any other information or advice you or anyone else could offer would also be greatly appreciated.
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Ricdics
Corporate Placement Holding
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Posted - 2008.07.22 02:21:00 -
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don't haul. after a while it makes your goonies shrink |
Kiyoshi Aphelion
Eve Liberation Force
Liberty.
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Posted - 2008.07.22 03:47:00 -
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Shrinking Goonies! OH NOES!
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Kiyoshi Aphelion
Eve Liberation Force
Liberty.
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Posted - 2008.07.22 14:39:00 -
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Ok guys taking into account your commentary I've revised it and reposted it, same link, let me know what you think of this one? Thanks again.
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Ishkabibbl
Minmatar
The Cult of Zombie Hayseus
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Posted - 2008.07.22 23:38:00 -
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I read over it and I'll admit I'm interested, but I also don't have much experience in IPO's. You can count on a small investment if you follow through, here's hoping for the best.
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Finedele
Marquie-X Corp
Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2008.07.23 00:32:00 -
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can you write down what updates you made?
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Kiyoshi Aphelion
Eve Liberation Force
Liberty.
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Posted - 2008.07.23 04:48:00 -
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Thanks for the replies, and I edited the post once more to reflect what I had added and changed in the .pdf file. And thanks for your interest!
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Aeon Lance
Caldari
Lance Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2008.07.23 05:37:00 -
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Interesting information, however you've left out one key information about your asset. Insurance of ships
Keep in mind that in-game insurance doesn't cover 100%, so with jump freighters, you could lose millions when your security force fails. In that case, not only freighters will need to be purchased again, but you'd have to pay for the ships that your escort lost in combat. I'm sure they wouldn't want to purchase another one entirely out of their wallet minus insurance cost.
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phyraxes
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Posted - 2008.07.23 09:35:00 -
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you say 100% of profits will eventually go as dividends so whats in it for you?
are you charging a mangement fee? will you be buying stock yourself to earn money from it yourself? if so how much?
tbh if you're not paying yourself enough it makes me less likely to invest than if you were pocketing a larger amount because it would mean less risk of burnout or getting frustrated and giving up.
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Finedele
Marquie-X Corp
Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2008.07.23 11:35:00 -
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i expect his managing fee is enclosed with the payment of the pilots parttaking in this venture. but i may be wrong :D
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Kiyoshi Aphelion
Eve Liberation Force
Liberty.
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Posted - 2008.07.24 05:09:00 -
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Great points, all of you...thanks again.
In terms of a management fee, I hadn't decided on what would be a fair compensation for myself, whether it be through a stock award at the beginning of the IPO or a static percentage of revenue. What do you feel would be fair?
In terms of insurance, I didn't address that clearly in my IPO form probably. I listed in this line:
"After compensation of pilots and operating costs are calculated and removed from the
corporate wallet, approximately fifty percent (50%) of the corporate wallet will be paid in dividends to shareholders, until such time that the corporation has stockpiled enough liquid assets, to insure the integrity of the IPO and sa***uard its assets."
I feel that addresses the insurance, it's the reason we're maintaining liquid assets...if you have any other questions or comments please feel free to post again. I'm highly enjoying and appreciating this feedback, by the way fellas.
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Kiyoshi Aphelion
Eve Liberation Force
Liberty.
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Posted - 2008.07.25 06:42:00 -
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Updated the IPO to reflect changes. Please guys, let me know what you think, IPO day is fast approaching. Thanks again.
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WhitePhantom
Gallente
Edenists
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Posted - 2008.07.25 08:10:00 -
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You never stated what % the dividends are to shareholders.
Either way you gained my interest, although I am a million miles away from most people are able to invest.
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Kiyoshi Aphelion
Eve Liberation Force
Liberty.
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Posted - 2008.07.25 15:05:00 -
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Thanks for your interest in investing with RSI.
I'm not sure I understand your question but I believe you were asking about the amount of the profits which would be paid out through dividends to shareholders. If that's correct the amount is listed under the:
Proposal for Initial Public Offering (IPO) and Dividends Information
section of the IPO. If that doesn't answer your question please feel free to post again, or contact me ingame and I'll try my very best to come up with an answer which you need.
Thank you again.
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WhitePhantom
Gallente
Edenists
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Posted - 2008.07.25 19:54:00 -
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 Originally by: Kiyoshi Aphelion
Thanks for your interest in investing with RSI.
I'm not sure I understand your question but I believe you were asking about the amount of the profits which would be paid out through dividends to shareholders. If that's correct the amount is listed under the:
Proposal for Initial Public Offering (IPO) and Dividends Information
section of the IPO. If that doesn't answer your question please feel free to post again, or contact me ingame and I'll try my very best to come up with an answer which you need.
Thank you again.
Quote:
After compensation of pilots and operating costs are calculated and removed from the
corporate wallet, approximately fifty percent (50%) of the corporate wallet will be paid in
dividends to shareholders, until such time that the corporation has stockpiled enough liquid
assets, to insure the integrity of the IPO and safeguard its assets.
Is this what you were talking about?
I read this in two different ways.
1) 50% of the cooperation wallet will be used to pay diviends. If you mean this, then it does not state what percent each share is worth.
2) Each share is worth a 50% return.
You continue to then state that after 5 billion has been raised/saved you will increase 100% of the corporation towards dividends payments.
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Kiyoshi Aphelion
Eve Liberation Force
Liberty.
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Posted - 2008.07.25 21:38:00 -
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It means that 50% of the profit generated that quarter will be paid out in dividends. In terms of payout...5000 shares equals 100% of the dividend payout. Therfore, 1 share will equal a 1/5000 payout, which means that 1 share of stock will garner .02% of the dividend payout. 10 shares will be .2% of the disbursement, 100 shares will be 2% of the disbursement and so on.
Basically, the more stock you buy, the higher your percentage of dividends will be.
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WhitePhantom
Gallente
Edenists
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Posted - 2008.07.26 08:08:00 -
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Originally by: Kiyoshi Aphelion
It means that 50% of the profit generated that quarter will be paid out in dividends. In terms of payout...5000 shares equals 100% of the dividend payout. Therfore, 1 share will equal a 1/5000 payout, which means that 1 share of stock will garner .02% of the dividend payout. 10 shares will be .2% of the disbursement, 100 shares will be 2% of the disbursement and so on.
Basically, the more stock you buy, the higher your percentage of dividends will be.
Clearly I am new to these kinds of investments, and I know enough to avoid the bad deals. Anyways like I said you have my interest, you idea is interesting and different for the time being.
I will have to watch for when you go live with your offer :-)
I am not rich but I am still interested.
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