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Thor Firehammer Amarr Infinite Sorrow Inc	Posted - 2008.07.21 17:40:00 - [1] CCP needs to take a look at the drone bays on ships again there heavily imbalanced. The drone bays on amarr hac's, caldari hac's, caldar tir 2 bc's, caldari recons and both amarr caldai CS's and up the drone bays on all cruisers aside from the gallente ones. I understand the gallente are the drone race and all but ALL of there ships have the biggest drone bays in the class and dont suffer any other penaltys from this. I think a good balance would be only giveing these huge drone bays to the drone boats I.E ishtar, domi, eos, ishkur, vexor and myrm. Then cutting down there other "non drone ships" to equal all the other ships in there respective classes. Another fix would be to give all the other race ships the same drone bays as the gallente ships that are the "non drone boats" but this would never happen. I would be happy if all the t2 caldari and amarr cruisers all had at least a 25 m3 drone bay (curse and pilgrim aside). And there BC's and CS's had a 50 m3 drone bay. ( i know the harby already does)
Chi Quan Perkone	Posted - 2008.07.21 21:01:00 - [2] you did not witness the introduction of "bandwidth" btw, all gallente ships are droneboats they may have secondary roles, yes, but they all have "drones" written all over ---- You don't have to like it - I don't blame you for not liking it.
Straight Chillen Gallente Solar Wind Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service	Posted - 2008.07.21 21:03:00 - [3] just be happy that gallente ships can't naturally launch a swarm of 10 drones anymore
Lothris Andastar	Posted - 2008.07.22 11:27:00 - [4] Fine if other ships get moar dronespace then I want my Domi to get 2 extra Highslots and 7 Launcher Hardpoints. I mean, why should a Raven Navy Issue be able to fit 7 Launchers and a Dominix not? It's really unfair! </Epic Sarcasm Off>
Sepheir Sepheron Caldari	Posted - 2008.07.22 11:46:00 - [5] Originally by: Thor Firehammer CCP needs to take a look at the drone bays on ships again there heavily imbalanced. The drone bays on amarr hac's, caldari hac's, caldar tir 2 bc's, caldari recons and both amarr caldai CS's and up the drone bays on all cruisers aside from the gallente ones. I understand the gallente are the drone race and all but ALL of there ships have the biggest drone bays in the class and dont suffer any other penaltys from this. I think a good balance would be only giveing these huge drone bays to the drone boats I.E ishtar, domi, eos, ishkur, vexor and myrm. Then cutting down there other "non drone ships" to equal all the other ships in there respective classes. Another fix would be to give all the other race ships the same drone bays as the gallente ships that are the "non drone boats" but this would never happen. I would be happy if all the t2 caldari and amarr cruisers all had at least a 25 m3 drone bay (curse and pilgrim aside). And there BC's and CS's had a 50 m3 drone bay. ( i know the harby already does) /signed Zealot and Sacrilege should have 25m3 at least.
Zarthanon Gallente TEAMSTERS	Posted - 2008.07.22 12:00:00 - [6] Originally by: Sepheir Sepheron Originally by: Thor Firehammer CCP needs to take a look at the drone bays on ships again there heavily imbalanced. The drone bays on amarr hac's, caldari hac's, caldar tir 2 bc's, caldari recons and both amarr caldai CS's and up the drone bays on all cruisers aside from the gallente ones. I understand the gallente are the drone race and all but ALL of there ships have the biggest drone bays in the class and dont suffer any other penaltys from this. I think a good balance would be only giveing these huge drone bays to the drone boats I.E ishtar, domi, eos, ishkur, vexor and myrm. Then cutting down there other "non drone ships" to equal all the other ships in there respective classes. Another fix would be to give all the other race ships the same drone bays as the gallente ships that are the "non drone boats" but this would never happen. I would be happy if all the t2 caldari and amarr cruisers all had at least a 25 m3 drone bay (curse and pilgrim aside). And there BC's and CS's had a 50 m3 drone bay. ( i know the harby already does) /signed Zealot and Sacrilege should have 25m3 at least. You got a 5th Turret slot and now you want room for 5x Jamming drones? Go away. I like pie.
Vyktor Abyss The Abyss Corporation	Posted - 2008.07.22 18:33:00 - [7] Agreed, Myrmidon and Eos should both regain ability to launch 5 heavy drones. Navy Vexor needs 200m3 dronebay and 150m3 on Vexor. Curse needs a nerf too :p
Darth Syphils Amarr Noshikkan	Posted - 2008.07.24 19:48:00 - [8] Originally by: Lothris Andastar Fine if other ships get moar dronespace then I want my Domi to get 2 extra Highslots and 7 Launcher Hardpoints. I mean, why should a Raven Navy Issue be able to fit 7 Launchers and a Dominix not? It's really unfair! </Epic Sarcasm Off> Not very funny sarcasm nor does it make any sense. Get out.
Sar Ferredj Universal Mining Inc Forged Dominion	Posted - 2008.07.25 14:45:00 - [9] Originally by: Darth Syphils Originally by: Lothris Andastar Fine if other ships get moar dronespace then I want my Domi to get 2 extra Highslots and 7 Launcher Hardpoints. I mean, why should a Raven Navy Issue be able to fit 7 Launchers and a Dominix not? It's really unfair! </Epic Sarcasm Off> Not very funny sarcasm nor does it make any sense. Get out. Amarr do use lasers. Caldari do use missiles. Minnmatarr do use speed & crappy guns. Gallenteans do use drones. Giving more drone space to gunship do make as many sense as putting heavy launchers on a drone ship.
Darth Syphils Amarr Noshikkan	Posted - 2008.07.25 15:25:00 - [10] Originally by: Sar Ferredj Originally by: Darth Syphils Originally by: Lothris Andastar Fine if other ships get moar dronespace then I want my Domi to get 2 extra Highslots and 7 Launcher Hardpoints. I mean, why should a Raven Navy Issue be able to fit 7 Launchers and a Dominix not? It's really unfair! </Epic Sarcasm Off> Not very funny sarcasm nor does it make any sense. Get out. Amarr do use lasers. Caldari do use missiles. Minnmatarr do use speed & crappy guns. Gallenteans do use drones. And Blasters Giving more drone space to gunship do make as many sense as putting heavy launchers on a drone ship. Fixed for you. Just to compare a deimos does more dps than a zealot with just the guns plus it has a 50m3 drone bay. I dont think it would be unfair to give a zealot a 25m3 drone bay. Comparing missle slots to drone space is like comparing apples and oranges. Increasing drone bays on some ships and giveing drone bays to others is a good idea.
Orar Ironfist Capital Produce	Posted - 2008.07.25 15:26:00 - [11] GIMME BACK MAI 5 HEAVY DRONE EOS DAMNIT Pirate for Life(no matter my sec)
here'n'there	Posted - 2008.07.25 15:51:00 - [12] Originally by: Orar Ironfist GIMME BACK MAI 5 HEAVY DRONE EOS DAMNIT Signed!!
Ruze Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2008.07.25 16:43:00 - [13] More accurately: Gallente are blaster boats and drone users. Those are their primary forms of DPS. They are also armor tankers. Caldari are missile boats and rail users. They have EW, too (though not a big deal anymore). They are also shield tankers. Minmatar use autocannons and artillary (though not as useful anymore). They also have a couple missile ships. And they can speed/armor/shield tank on various ships. Amarr use lasers and ... um ... we have missile boats, I guess. And of course, we're armor tankers. My point? Each race has one specific race weapon (projectile/hybrid/laser), and one or two 'secondaries'. I envy Gallente a bit for only having to focus on drones and blasters, while I'm glad I'm not Minmatar with the need to specialize in three types of tanking. There are equal tradeoffs, I think. [center] Genesis Project -- http://my
Rockara	Posted - 2008.07.25 17:12:00 - [14] Edited by: Rockara on 25/07/2008 17:12:47
Larkara	Posted - 2008.07.25 17:13:00 - [15] The point so crudely being made here is that drones are strong, however the shortcomings of gall ships for having a drone bay is minimal next to other races 'advantages' for not having one. Personally I think drones are over powered and every ship should have the ability to launch at least 1 or 2, however to avoid 'drone fest" I would say that non drone ships should have a darn good reason for not having them. Caldari have yet to really show us what that is, we know that minor statistical advantages are moot in this game in comparison to larger more binary effects, such as HAVING or NOT HAVING drones. 5m/s speed, 1,000kg's less mass 500 more shield, is just 3 more shots or 2 more seconds for your opponents drones to deal with. In the end its all about having or not having drones. and if you ask me, Gall ships should suffer a bit more since all there ships are flying carriers. as a follow up point, one of the difficulty's about drone ships is that there drones are hard to kill without drastic efforts. smart bombs work well but over all they suck cap down and any smart pilot will just recall the drones and keep on you with guns. shure the dance starts there and you have a chance, however over all he controls the fight and as we know, 2 nos's or nuets are the most popular ishtar highs in the game.
TheG2 Gallente Dirty Rotten Scoundrels	Posted - 2008.07.25 17:32:00 - [16] You can completely disable drones by blowing them up, there is the downside. Really concerned about it? Fit a smartbomb.
Rockara	Posted - 2008.07.25 17:38:00 - [17] Originally by: TheG2 You can completely disable drones by blowing them up, there is the downside. Really concerned about it? Fit a smartbomb. dont skim posts. Smart bombs are only slightly effective and further more, most Ishtar's THE DRONE SHIP, fits NOS's and Nuets, so chances are your not going to be smart bombing for long.
Darth Syphils Amarr Noshikkan	Posted - 2008.07.25 18:08:00 - [18] Originally by: Ruze More accurately: Gallente are blaster boats and drone users. Those are their primary forms of DPS. They are also armor tankers. Caldari are missile boats and rail users. They have EW, too (though not a big deal anymore). They are also shield tankers. Minmatar use autocannons and artillary (though not as useful anymore). They also have a couple missile ships. And they can speed/armor/shield tank on various ships. Amarr use lasers and ... um ... we have missile boats, I guess. And of course, we're armor tankers. My point? Each race has one specific race weapon (projectile/hybrid/laser), and one or two 'secondaries'. I envy Gallente a bit for only having to focus on drones and blasters, while I'm glad I'm not Minmatar with the need to specialize in three types of tanking. There are equal tradeoffs, I think. I guess its kinda hard to make a point on here that makes sense. Ships that give bonuses to drones should have huge drone bays and 125 bandwidth like the eos or myrm. As you said a secendary weapon that caldari have is ewar so give the caldai ships all an extra slot to fit them while still maintaining a tank?. Aside from the drone specific ships that the gallente have that are meant to be drone boats all of there ship classes have bigger drone bays than there counterparts but suffer no drawbacks such as less fitting slots or less cap/speed/armor/hull/sig radious. Any none drone specific gallente ship is equal or better than its counter part without all the drones so they have an advantage. This applys to alot of minni ships as well. People keep comparing drones to missles if you want an accurate comparison compare the turrets to the missles not the drones. In my opinion all BS class ships should have 125m3 drone bays execpt the the domi which should have even more than it does and a second drone bonus or tank bonus instead of the turret bonus (Because you cant fit real turrets on it anyway). BC's and CS's should all have 50m3 aside from the myrm and eos both should be allowed to deploy 5 heavies or give them a higher drone damage bonus. (Raise the myrm to a %15 drone damage per lvl so the med's can compete with the heavies with the dps and get rid of the turret bonus on the eos and make it similar to the myrms drone damage bonus. All HAC's should have a 25m3 bay aside from the ishtar (possibly rethink the hybrid bonus to a mwd/tank/cap bonus) Just my opionions but i think that would be pretty balanced

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