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Les Battersby
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Posted - 2004.05.25 23:25:00 -
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Edited by: Les Battersby on 25/05/2004 23:27:37
How many times have you lamented the fact that an ore thief has stolen your ore. You know that this is some lame "person" who is transferring the cash to his main character, with no fear of retribution. Lazy, lame ore thieves, who hide behind Concord, then "fence" the proceeds to their main char or another account, and have fun off the proceeds of your hard work.
Before the flaming starts (rushes for the extinguisher) about how you should buy secure cans etc etc, save it. I have played for almost a year now, i know the score. This is obviously not my main char, however, this will become obvious why if you apply a little thought.
I realised ore thieves are just griefers funding other chars or main accounts, so i decided to fight fire with fire, and purchased a second account. I spent a week following a well known ore thief, Golgotan (who operates around Amarr Prime), with all three chars my new account gave me, in order to work out his modus operandii and expose where the ill-gotten gains were going. Golgotan made some really idiotic moves, such as hauling for his other account, whilst stealing from everyone else mining in the system. He docked at the same stations, travelled to the same systems, and even logged in and out at the same times as his main char.
I knew i was close to exposing his fence, and tonight in Amarr, i found his main char can mining in a roid field, whilst Golgotan hauled everybody elses ore in system. I climbed aboard my trusty Badger (named "Justice"), and headed for his main char, who was stripping a belt, in a 1.0 in an apoc with mining lasers and drones tearing away. As he realised my intentions, Golgotan panicked, and tried to reach the main accounts can before me. Just as i reached the can, before i liberated ore i may add, Golgotan forgot which client he was playing and screamed "LES BATTERSBY IS AN ORE THIEF" in local, providing the exact proof i had been waiting for.
I have screenies, logfiles, and an aching location agent for my weeks hard work, not to mention a hole in my pocket running another char, and my real corp suffering my lack of play time.
As they say in all the good tabloids, 'My dossier is available for all interested parties to view'.
I will not name and shame him on the forums, this is an in-game problem, with an in-game solution. If any people wish to know Golgotans real identity, message me, i will make it available for a nominal sum.
This is more of an advert for my services.
Flame away, Lamers
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Synapse Archae
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Posted - 2004.05.25 23:31:00 -
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If you're looking for new targets "Vogon" is certainly the most well known, and he certainly logs on and off a lot.
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Skelator
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Posted - 2004.05.25 23:57:00 -
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Edited by: Skelator on 25/05/2004 23:58:25
Hahhahaah
Busted!!!
I offer 1 million isk for the Main name and location.
but I Am naming and shaming him on the Forums
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cashman
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Posted - 2004.05.26 00:29:00 -
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I have a can with a warning on it with his name on it somewhere in the Amarr regions. Glad someone finally busted him, would be even better to know which mainchar we should go kill.
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Tenacha Khan
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Posted - 2004.05.26 01:01:00 -
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Edited by: Tenacha Khan on 26/05/2004 01:02:50
ming hard work????....pfffft!
steeling ore is just as hard as mining it mate.
furthermore, you go on about him hiding behind an alt....grow some balls cause your doin the same
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Nervar
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Posted - 2004.05.26 02:10:00 -
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Who cares, buy secure cans or move your system vide vacum cleaners to 0.4 where you can shoot back....
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What I look forward to is continued immaturity followed by death.
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Laika Minirva
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Posted - 2004.05.26 02:13:00 -
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Edited by: Laika Minirva on 26/05/2004 02:14:52
OMG TEH DRAMA!!!!11one1!!!!11one
Good idea and all but i doubt anyone really cares enough to pay money for it.Besides you are an alt, people bidding ISK for the real name of some random ore thief.. Hmmm, i smell a scam.
And most real ore thieves are in mammoths/MKV's and aren't alts at all, but do it for a living.(Vogon falls into this category, afaik)
Also, ore thieving is harder than you think.I dare you to create a second alt on that account and try it for one night.
Then if you DO find something, you can give it all back or something.I'm serious, go try it!A sucsesful orethief makes about the same a scordite miner does, 1-2m ISK an hour.. i doubt you'll get to that level.
Alt orethieves in gimpy little bestowers are hardly a major problem.You said it yourself, use secure cans..
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Mystikos
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Posted - 2004.05.26 03:15:00 -
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 Originally by: Les Battersby
I realised ore thieves are just griefers funding other chars or main accounts,
 
I realized jetcan miners are just griefers that don't know yet how to play the game,
Seriously, if you don't want people "stealing" your ore, DON'T MINE INTO JETTISONED CONTAINERS.
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2004.05.26 03:50:00 -
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Originally by: Mystikos
Originally by: Les Battersby
I realised ore thieves are just griefers funding other chars or main accounts,
I always find pearls of long standing wisdom to be so refreshing from a person whose face is "!".
A thief is a thief is a thief.
A loaf of bread untouched; sliced thick; sliced thin; sliced horizontally; smashed; pulverized; bagged; soaked; flaming; is still a loaf of bread.
Defending bad behavior by saying... "Well I guess you were asking for it" is the same silly behind defense of rapists that says, "Well she was asking for it."
Intelligent people tend to realize that they made mistakes, that the left themselves open. The same ones try to warn others from making the same mistake, whether it be by suggesting secure can operations or at least being aware of the thieves. But always by sharing the experience.
They also see through your lack of it, intelligence, by calling them "griefers".
Oh is this main enough for you or should I have to do, or say, something more?
Eve Guardian - Former Reporter
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swisher
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Posted - 2004.05.26 03:58:00 -
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I would like to add..something here..there isnt anything to being a theif anyone can do it...but to be a good theif you have to know the art of being a theif..everyone always hates the theif but to the ones that look at it as a art and trade..it is just that..Know I'm not really referring to this event here...just saying dont mix up the 2.
Mainly all well named theives ..are the ones you never get to know by there real chars..they use alts..etc..etc..and do a well job..they have a perfect plan..they stay up and put hours of work into working out every detail..they log when members come on and off..they work people to get what they are after..it could be minerals..bps..isk..whatever..its a art...and a skill not to be taken litely..and all corps can protect themselves by most thieves...I personally can named about 10 corps that I know have a very well corp security..there 100% unripable..because they know how to run a corp with the right security and access.
-swish
(retired theif) full time Corp Security Consultant.
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Les Battersby
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Posted - 2004.05.26 06:33:00 -
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Well, its not like i didn't expect the usual, blah, blah, secure cans age old drama, but i did like this quote Quote:
Who cares, buy secure cans or move your system vide vacum cleaners to 0.4 where you can shoot back....
after i had mentioned Quote:
headed for his main char, who was stripping a belt, in a 1.0 in an apoc with mining lasers and drones tearing away.
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My main surprise here isn't the fact we're seeing the "carebear blah blah secure can 0.4 etc etc" posts in here, its the fact that you are flaming me for taking action against a carebear mining in an apoc in 1.0.
Is it just me that can see the irony here?
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Laika Minirva
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Posted - 2004.05.26 07:15:00 -
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Quote:
I always find pearls of long standing wisdom to be so refreshing from a person whose face is "!".
Its not my fault the picture rendering thingie has been broke for weeks. 
If spamming is a crime, then i'm guilty as charged! |
DeFood
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Posted - 2004.05.26 07:44:00 -
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#1. Griefing is OOC activity. If you think that tracking doen ore thieves in game, and selling their real characters ingame is IC, then so is the thieving. I'd say that Ore Thieving is an legitimate in-game illegal career.
#2. Please. Thief is spelt IE not EI.
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Sun Ra
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Posted - 2004.05.26 08:20:00 -
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Battleships mining in 1.0-0.5 without secure cans deserve to be jacked IMO and this is coming from a so called 'good guy'
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WhiteSnake
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Posted - 2004.05.26 08:22:00 -
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Edited by: WhiteSnake on 26/05/2004 08:24:38
When I am mining in empire I am using my second account for hauling, but once, an ore thief managed to steal from me 4-5k kernite, if I remember well his name is firehotII or something like that. He was fast (my 2nd char was on his way, but firehotII got my can first) and lucky (I got an alt flying a kestrel with cruise missiles to punish ore thieves but that time he wasnt in the system), this is why I also gave him as a prize 500k isk.
Why should I use secure cans? Takes more time to get my indy, find a spot, jetisson them, anchor them, return, get my mining ship, mine, move my ore into cans, etc.
The best way is to find a quiet (if there is any) system, make instant bookmarks (for the mining spot, and for the station) and mine. If you see an indy in the belt, instant dock, and then instant warp to your can, it takes only 2 minutes. Even better is to find a system without station, takes longer to haul, but ore thieves don't go in those systems. Have fun.
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Vogon
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Posted - 2004.05.26 08:35:00 -
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Edited by: Vogon on 26/05/2004 08:37:05
...Don't know what all the fuss is about with alts. My alt (dual alt) has been named in this very forum...who cares? just get on with the mining...
www.vogon.homestead.com
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Scorpyn
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Posted - 2004.05.26 08:39:00 -
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Originally by: Vogon
Edited by: Vogon on 26/05/2004 08:37:05
...Don't know what all the fuss is about with alts. My alt (dual alt) has been named in this very forum...who cares? just get on with the mining...
At least you don't try to hide your main... unless your main is also an alt...
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Laika Minirva
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Posted - 2004.05.26 09:23:00 -
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Originally by: DeFood
Please. Thief is spelt IE not EI.
Actually, mister grammarian, thief is spelled T, H, I, E, F.Not IE.
Also, 'doen' does not appear in my dictionary, Mr. Smarty Pants.
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Rodge
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Posted - 2004.05.26 10:15:00 -
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Originally by: WhiteSnake
When I am mining in empire I am using my second account for hauling, but once, an ore thief managed to steal from me 4-5k kernite, if I remember well his name is firehotII or something like that.
We know Firehot II very well. Our corp has taken him out three times now, but only podded him once  That's the sad bit, as we only get paid when we produce a corpse!
A 12.5% sec rating change is a little harsh for podding an ore thief, don't you think
[ 2005.04.17 00:34:30 ] Nagilam > u better leave Rodge, u will not gank any1 else 2nite......
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Polux
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Posted - 2004.05.26 12:29:00 -
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Edited by: Polux on 26/05/2004 12:31:42
Suck it up Les Battersby it's your fault they stole from you anyway, stop crying about it.
Personaly I would steal from people if I could, your all just peons and I deserv a share of your ore 
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Chepe Nolon
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Posted - 2004.05.26 13:54:00 -
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I start to feel a bit non-normal here. Am I the only one with just one account around here? When not corp mining, it takes a bit of effort moving secure cans. And it takes a lot of time moving between them too. Using jet-cans is a lot more profitable, even if they have a visit of ore thieves from time to time.
As for the ore-thieves... My corp deals with them. We declare war on the corp, and our fleet of interceptors takes care of the thief. At least those stupid enough to show up again.
Jettisoned or not, thieves are the lowest of the low, no matter what you say of skill and time.
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ZelRox
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Posted - 2004.05.26 14:55:00 -
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1 mill for Golgotans real account, i have some unfinished buissnes with him.
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Les Battersby
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Posted - 2004.05.26 15:24:00 -
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Zelrox, I'll give you the info for a pair of corpses plus a pair of screenshots....convo or mail me in game, and as i said in my original post, this is more of an advert for my services as a PI in eve, than anything personal towards Golgotan or ore-thieves in general. The thrill of the chase, pounding the streets of Amarr, hanging around in dirty space-ports drinking Jynnan Tonnyx with the scum of the Galaxy for a morsel of information, was payment enough for me.
Each case will be discussed on a seperate basis depending on difficulty of target.
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Dirtball
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Posted - 2004.05.26 19:19:00 -
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I respect your dectective work, I think it would be cool to do the same. It would take too much of my time though.
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KING WILLY
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Posted - 2004.05.26 19:29:00 -
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this is a part of eve. i hate ore thieve for sure but its like a big pirate corp as well....its nnot fair he stole my ore ....or.....blah blah he shot me at the gate.......this is eve play it...love it.....worship it......theres plenty of ways to stop ore thievs...
have two miners and a indy between them.....when thievs show up snag can of whats in it and haul it. its better to have some then none.....
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.05.26 19:40:00 -
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so who was Vogon's main account?
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Wuubaa
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Posted - 2004.05.26 19:55:00 -
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wtf cares....use secure cans n00bs
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Pat Noodle
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Posted - 2004.05.26 20:11:00 -
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Would you all please stop with the "use secure can's" crap. For 1 the info on this website states that secure cans cannot be anchored in 0.8 and above and if a secure can is not anchored u cant set the password. 2 how is a n00b player supposed to get enough isk to pay for the anchoring skill and the cans to anchor if he keeps getting his ore stolen.
But saying that i do agree that anyone who's been playing more than a month should be more than capable to mine in less secure systems and shouldnt be mining in 0.9 and 1.0. These systems and belts are supposed to be for NEW players who are just setting out on the big adventure which is EVE so they can get a foot hold before setting of in to the wider wonderfull universe.
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CodeFreeze
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Posted - 2004.05.26 21:07:00 -
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Originally by: Vogon
Edited by: Vogon on 26/05/2004 08:37:05
...Don't know what all the fuss is about with alts. My alt (dual alt) has been named in this very forum...who cares? just get on with the mining...
www.vogon.homestead.com
You've stolen ore from our newbie players in high-sec systems, which has to make you one of the saddest ****wits in the game
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Tenaj
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Posted - 2004.05.26 22:35:00 -
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Originally by: CodeFreeze
Originally by: Vogon
Edited by: Vogon on 26/05/2004 08:37:05
...Don't know what all the fuss is about with alts. My alt (dual alt) has been named in this very forum...who cares? just get on with the mining...
www.vogon.homestead.com
You've stolen ore from our newbie players in high-sec systems, which has to make you one of the saddest ****wits in the game
Vogon is cool
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